22 Vows of Dr. Ambedkar, Father of Indian Constitution | I was born a Hindu, but vow not to die a Hindu. - Ambedkar before leaving Hinduism

[crankthatskunk]

Well, Indians may adore him, but by choosing Budhism, which is not a religion, he has showed lack of intelligence.

If he had paid any attention, which he must have, considering they shown him unveiling the statue of Buddha. There is a Sun disk on the back of Buddha's head.

This is "Sun Worshipping" with another way. Not different from other "Sun Worshippers".

Not worth going in to the stories of "Buddha's Birth" etc.
The fairy tales narrated with whatever twist remain " fairy tales".

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Just for academic reasons please read this article which speaks of Ambedkar considering for years for his conversion to Islam before settling upon Buddhism along with hundreds of thousands of his followers.



Probably so. Especially because of his act of publicly burning in 1927 that foul, anti-human book the Manusmriti.

He was an agnostic /atheist to the core....Theistic Islam that believes in an all powerful personal God didnot cut it for him..at one point he had to think of the spiritual life of the Dalits too..ANd he was very wary of the God figure of any religion...which brings me to my next question how can be a communitst if you are a God believing muslim?

Well, Indians may adore him, but by choosing Budhism, which is not a religion, he has showed lack of intelligence.

If he had paid any attention, which he must have, considering they shown him unveiling the statue of Buddha. There is a Sun disk on the back of Buddha's head.

This is "Sun Worshipping" with another way. Not different from other "Sun Worshippers".

Not worth going in to the stories of "Buddha's Birth" etc.
The fairy tales narrated with whatever twist remain " fairy tales".

The core of the Buddhist Suttas have a strong skeptical/atheistic bent.(Kalama Sutta and many others)....this is the reason why so many modern Westerners find solace in Buddhism..and it considered to be "cool" to be practincing Buddhism
Despising Hinduism is not despising India...But despising all theistic, non-theistic, atheistic (Lokayata,Charvaka) philosophies that came out of India is certainly despising India



Buddhism civilized whole of Asia even upto Persia and Greece

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Had we not been racist like the Hindus he would have been converted to Islam. But the fact is we are no better

Thanks for an honest appraisal...I concur fully with both part of your posts

 

[Drizzt]

Why Ambedkar considered Islam the religion of choice for Dalits before opting for Buddhism
An excerpt from Anand Teltumbde’s essay in a new book framing Ambedkar as a radical and not just a reformer.

Coming to the existential aspect of this problem, he observed that the lack of strength of Dalits was the root cause of the perpetuation of this conflict. Dalits did not possess any of the three strengths human beings are expected to possess, namely, the strengths of numbers, wealth and mind.

They did not have the strength of numbers as they were a minority, divided into numerous castes and dispersed in villages. They did not have the strength of wealth because they did not possess land or businesses or pursue decent employment. They did not possess mental strength as they were inured to humiliation, insults and oppression by caste Hindus for centuries. If Dalits relied upon their own strength, they could not hope to escape their prevailing miserable state.

He then compared them with Muslims, who were also a minority quite like Dalits. However, he said, Hindus would not dare to treat them like Dalits, because they very well knew that a Muslim had the backing of the entire Muslim community in India. If a Muslim is touched by a Hindu anywhere, the Muslim community from Kashmir to Kanyakumari would come out in support of him.


https://scroll.in/article/898332/wh...-choice-for-dalits-before-opting-for-buddhism

Writer of the above article , Anand Teltumde wrote about Ambedkar's preference for Islam. Hence, he was arrested under National Security Act by upper caste BJP/RSS .

Why Is Anand Teltumbde So Dangerous for the Narendra Modi Government?
https://thewire.in/rights/anand-teltumbde-arrest-narendra-modi

 

[jamahir]

which brings me to my next question how can be a communitst if you are a God believing muslim?

Firstly, about a Higher Power, I can't speak about other communist Muslims but for me Nature is supreme. I suppose what others call God I call Nature. Nature is especially obvious when we go to space. Can we pray and go out into the void without a proper space suit and expect to be okay ? We have to respect the laws of Nature irrespective of whether or not we believe in God.

Communism is not about Atheism but more about arriving at social, economic and political harmony with others in human society and at harmony with Nature.

Many Muslims have always been attracted to Marxism and the Russian revolution because Islam ( the true one ) and modern Communism are similar. I quote from this thread of mine from 2016 which is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha :

During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

Please read the rest of the OP there and the subsequent discussion. And please read this thread of mine from Sunday about a Pakistani Marxist revolutionary who was a military man.

Why Ambedkar considered Islam the religion of choice for Dalits before opting for Buddhism
An excerpt from Anand Teltumbde’s essay in a new book framing Ambedkar as a radical and not just a reformer.

Coming to the existential aspect of this problem, he observed that the lack of strength of Dalits was the root cause of the perpetuation of this conflict. Dalits did not possess any of the three strengths human beings are expected to possess, namely, the strengths of numbers, wealth and mind.

They did not have the strength of numbers as they were a minority, divided into numerous castes and dispersed in villages. They did not have the strength of wealth because they did not possess land or businesses or pursue decent employment. They did not possess mental strength as they were inured to humiliation, insults and oppression by caste Hindus for centuries. If Dalits relied upon their own strength, they could not hope to escape their prevailing miserable state.

He then compared them with Muslims, who were also a minority quite like Dalits. However, he said, Hindus would not dare to treat them like Dalits, because they very well knew that a Muslim had the backing of the entire Muslim community in India. If a Muslim is touched by a Hindu anywhere, the Muslim community from Kashmir to Kanyakumari would come out in support of him.


https://scroll.in/article/898332/wh...-choice-for-dalits-before-opting-for-buddhism

I linked that article in my post# 27.

 

[ayodhyapati]

Dr.B.R.Ambedkar prescribed 22 vows to his followers during the historic religious conversion to Buddhism on 15 October 1956 at Deeksha Bhoomi, Nagpur in India. The conversion to Buddhism by 800,000 people was historic because it was the largest religious conversion, the world has ever witnessed.

He prescribed these oaths so that there may be complete severance of bond with Hinduism. These 22 vows struck a blow at the roots of Hindu beliefs and practices. These vows could serve as a bulwark to protect Buddhism from confusion and contradictions. These vows could liberate converts from superstitions, wasteful and meaningless rituals, which have led to pauperisation of masses and enrichment of upper castes of Hindus.

The famous 22 vows are:

1. I shall have no faith in Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh nor shall I worship them.
2. I shall have no faith in Rama and Krishna who are believed to be incarnation of God nor shall I worship them.
3. I shall have no faith in ‘Gauri’, Ganapati and other gods and goddesses of Hindus nor shall I worship them.
4. I do not believe in the incarnation of God.
5. I do not and shall not believe that Lord Buddha was the incarnation of Vishnu. I believe this to be sheer madness and false propaganda.
6. I shall not perform ‘Shraddha’ nor shall I give ‘pind-dan’.
7. I shall not act in a manner violating the principles and teachings of the Buddha.
8. I shall not allow any ceremonies to be performed by Brahmins.
9. I shall believe in the equality of man.
10. I shall endeavour to establish equality.
11. I shall follow the ‘noble eightfold path’ of the Buddha.
12. I shall follow the ‘paramitas’ prescribed by the Buddha.
13. I shall have compassion and loving kindness for all living beings and protect them.
14. I shall not steal.
15. I shall not tell lies.
16. I shall not commit carnal sins.
17. I shall not take intoxicants like liquor, drugs etc.
18. I shall endeavour to follow the noble eightfold path and practise compassion and loving kindness in every day life.
19. I renounce Hinduism which is harmful for humanity and impedes the advancement and development of humanity because it is based on inequality, and adopt Buddhism as my religion.
20. I firmly believe the Dhamma of the Buddha is the only true religion.
21. I believe that I am having a re-birth.
22. I solemnly declare and affirm that I shall hereafter lead my life according to the principles and teachings of the Buddha and his Dhamma.

Why Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Choose Buddhism (Dr. Zakir Naik Explains)

great man ,
did not go islamic way . remained hindu by adopting buddhism.

I wonder what indians text book call him had he converted to Islam.

we would have called him abdul gafoor ambedkar if he had taken muslim name of abdul gafoor . or simply abdul bhai .

 

[jamahir]

great man ,
did not go islamic way . remained hindu by adopting buddhism.

1. Which social / religious component of India harassed him in his early years ?

2. Why did he publicly burn the Manusmriti in 1927 ?

3. He remained Hindu by adopting Buddhism and having done point# 2 ? Does not make sense.

4. Read my post# 27.

 

[Iltutmish]

3. He remained Hindu by adopting Buddhism and having done point# 2 ? Does not make sense.

This is some next level vedic logic.

There is an Arab saying: Me and my brother against my cousin, but my cousin and I against the stranger. They have this "at least they aren't Muslim"-attitude because of their millenia old PTSD.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

1. Which social / religious component of India harassed him in his early years ?

2. Why did he publicly burn the Manusmriti in 1927 ?

3. He remained Hindu by adopting Buddhism and having done point# 2 ? Does not make sense.

4. Read my post# 27.

He remained Hindu in the sense being Indic..you can trash Brahmanism and still remain Hindu/Indic....with the rise of Hindu nationalism, and with the acceptance of atheists (Aroun Shourie etc) into their fold, being Hindu has stopped to mean being follower of Brahmanism

I myself donot believe in Rama,Krishna or pray to any deity.....Infact I reject all of that...I still remain a Hindu

This is some next level vedic logic.

There is an Arab saying: Me and my brother against my cousin, but my cousin and I against the stranger. They have this "at least they aren't Muslim"-attitude because of their millenia old PTSD.

Buddhism is a pure Gangetic philosophy to the core....Gangetic genious written all over it...Buddhism is very alright if someones wants to trash Brahamanistic Hinduism/Brahmanism

 

[jamahir]

He remained Hindu in the sense being Indic..you can trash Brahmanism and still remain Hindu/Indic....with the rise of Hindu nationalism, and with the acceptance of atheists (Aroun Shourie etc) into their fold, being Hindu has stopped to mean being follower of Brahmanism

I myself donot believe in Rama,Krishna or pray to any deity.....Infact I reject all of that...I still remain a Hindu

I see.

Well, I will reply tomorrow. Am logging-off.

 

[ayodhyapati]

Well, Indians may adore him, but by choosing Budhism, which is not a religion, he has showed lack of intelligence.

If he had paid any attention, which he must have, considering they shown him unveiling the statue of Buddha. There is a Sun disk on the back of Buddha's head.

This is "Sun Worshipping" with another way. Not different from other "Sun Worshippers".

Not worth going in to the stories of "Buddha's Birth" etc.
The fairy tales narrated with whatever twist remain " fairy tales".

buddhism is a fully recognised religion in indian constitution , nobody cares what a pakistani says about buddhism.

 

[ayodhyapati]

1. Which social / religious component of India harassed him in his early years ?

2. Why did he publicly burn the Manusmriti in 1927 ?

3. He remained Hindu by adopting Buddhism and having done point# 2 ? Does not make sense.

4. Read my post# 27.

we all know hindu dharma had great evils , but best thisng is hindus are very tolerant , there beliefs can be changed , sanatan dharma is reformed hinduism where everyone is equal .
buddhism is a reformed version of hindu dharma , for all practical purposes buddhism is hindu dharma . we love buddhism . buddhists , jains , sikhs, all are our brothers they are not kafir for hindus .

 

[Kuru]

Just for academic reasons please read this article which speaks of Ambedkar considering for years for his conversion to Islam before settling upon Buddhism along with hundreds of thousands of his followers.

He seems to have explained why he didnt convert to Islam in his book - Pakistan or the Partition of India:

The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity, but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt and enmity.

The second defect of Islam is that it is a system of social self-government and is incompatible with local self-government, because the allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country which is his but on the faith to which he belongs.

To the Muslim ibi bene ibi patria is unthinkable. Wherever there is the rule of Islam, there is his own country. In other words, Islam can never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin. That is probably the reason why Maulana Mahomed Ali, a great Indian but a true Muslim, preferred to be buried in Jerusalem rather than in India.

Link: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_partition/412d.html

 

[crankthatskunk]

buddhism is a fully recognised religion in indian constitution , nobody cares what a pakistani says about buddhism.

Haha, Who cares about the India Constitution!!
Fact is what it says on the tin.

The core of the Buddhist Suttas have a strong skeptical/atheistic bent.(Kalama Sutta and many others)....this is the reason why so many modern Westerners find solace in Buddhism..and it considered to be "cool" to be practincing Buddhism
Despising Hinduism is not despising India...But despising all theistic, non-theistic, atheistic (Lokayata,Charvaka) philosophies that came out of India is certainly despising India

I unashamedly despise what India and Indians stand for.
People with worst kind of mentality and religion which is based nothing but created myths. If it was only religion, I would have ignored it, everyone is free to practice their religion.
But no one is free to practice hate and treating other human beings as not worthy of touch or unequal.
Human being should stand on its ethics, honesty and character not colour of his skin, caste or ethnic background.

Therefore, Indians must be despised by all free thinking intelligent human beings.