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2010 Top Ten Anti-Israel Lies

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Religious stuff is outside the scope of this forum - you know that, and if you make the effort you can find answers elsewhere.
You are trying to hide.... and avoiding the basic question!

WHY ISRAEL IS THE PROMISED LAND FOR ALL JEWS OF THE GLOBE?

one simple google search can help answer e.g. Promised Land - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you think that should be #11, or would you include it in the Top Ten?
Now you are mumbling!!! not at least from me you will hear what you wish to hear.
I say it again no objection to the state of Israel.

Don't stick words in my mouth, please. Did you not write what you meant or did you not read what I wrote?
You wrote nothing... as i said it is a copy paste stuff you got from any Israeli.... i see since flotalia episode this sort of propaganda is being spread by every Israeli.

Have you really been taught this all your life?
Did i said some thing against any norms?
At least i'm not taught to lie...
We know very well which states brain wash their nation by flase propaganda.

A red herring. If you insert something into a discussion, you must show its relevance.
By saying "It is all religion" are you not closing the door on any other reason or cause and effect? Are you not closing your own mind? Why should Pakistanis accept this?
Should i discuss on your terms? you suggested me a book and i suggested you the holy book.

In any case you are missing important parts of my post... why is Pakistan so key for Israel? why are you seeking answers from Pakistanis and not Arabs!
 
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As soon as I read the "3000 years ago" argument I knew this was religious crap motivated article.

Israel is a 20th century creation - don't drag God and the promised land crap into it. Nobody's going to take you guys seriously.

What is the logic of migration to Israel, continued as we speak?
Simple... in jew religon Palestine is the promised land for every jew and religously all the land between nile and Euphrates.
This explains the settelments and expansion, so naturally any one objecting greater israel is enemy of state.
 
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Well the "myths" aside, the dominant position among arab govt.s is that they will accept and guarantee Israel security in return to withdrawing to the 1967 borders and establishment of a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. Moreover, they will also establish diplomatic and trade relations as well.

The problem is that the current Israeli coalition govt. is compose of extremely religious fanatic and right wing parties and instead have promoted policy of establishing Jewish settlement in West Bank areas for example.

However both the loony right wing on both arab/muslim and the Israeli/jewish sides get prominent coverage in the others constituencies. And the more death and destruction the stronger these fringe fanatics become.

The peace plan for those who don't know:
Document: The Arab Peace Initiative, 2002


Official translation of the full text of a Saudi-inspired peace plan adopted by the Arab summit in Beirut, 2002.

The Arab Peace Initiative

The Council of Arab States at the Summit Level at its 14th Ordinary Session,

Reaffirming the resolution taken in June 1996 at the Cairo Extra-Ordinary Arab Summit that a just and comprehensive peace in the Middle East is the strategic option of the Arab countries, to be achieved in accordance with international legality, and which would require a comparable commitment on the part of the Israeli government,

Having listened to the statement made by his royal highness Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, crown prince of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, in which his highness presented his initiative calling for full Israeli withdrawal from all the Arab territories occupied since June 1967, in implementation of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, reaffirmed by the Madrid Conference of 1991 and the land-for-peace principle, and Israel's acceptance of an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital, in return for the establishment of normal relations in the context of a comprehensive peace with Israel,

Emanating from the conviction of the Arab countries that a military solution to the conflict will not achieve peace or provide security for the parties, the council:

1. Requests Israel to reconsider its policies and declare that a just peace is its strategic option as well.

2. Further calls upon Israel to affirm:

I- Full Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied since 1967, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the June 4, 1967 lines as well as the remaining occupied Lebanese territories in the south of Lebanon.

II- Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with U.N. General Assembly Resolution 194.

III- The acceptance of the establishment of a sovereign independent Palestinian state on the Palestinian territories occupied since June 4, 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

3. Consequently, the Arab countries affirm the following:

I- Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region.

II- Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.

4. Assures the rejection of all forms of Palestinian patriation which conflict with the special circumstances of the Arab host countries.

5. Calls upon the government of Israel and all Israelis to accept this initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and stop the further shedding of blood, enabling the Arab countries and Israel to live in peace and good neighbourliness and provide future generations with security, stability and prosperity.

6. Invites the international community and all countries and organisations to support this initiative.

7. Requests the chairman of the summit to form a special committee composed of some of its concerned member states and the secretary general of the League of Arab States to pursue the necessary contacts to gain support for this initiative at all levels, particularly from the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States of America, the Russian Federation, the Muslim states and the European Union.

For purposes of comparison, the following is an earlier draft discussed by Arab foreign ministers on 25 March, 2002, in advance of the summit:

The Council of the Arab League, which convenes at the level of a summit on March 27-28, 2002 in Beirut, affirms the Arab position that achieving just and comprehensive peace is a strategic choice and goal for the Arab states.

After the Council heard the statement of Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz in which he called for the establishment of normal relations in the context of a comprehensive peace with Israel, and that Israel declares its readiness to withdraw from the occupied Arab territories in compliance with United Nations resolutions 242 and 338 and Security Council resolution 1397, enhanced by the Madrid conference and the land-for-peace principle, and the acceptance of an independent, sovereign Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, the Council calls on the Israeli government to review its policy and to resort to peace while declaring that just peace is its strategic option.

The Council also calls on Israel to assert the following:

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Complete withdrawal from the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including full withdrawal from the occupied Syrian Golan Heights and the remaining occupied parts of south Lebanon to the June 4, 1967 lines.
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To accept to find an agreed, just solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees in conformity with Resolution 194.
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To accept an independent and sovereign Palestinian state on the Palestinian lands occupied since June 4, 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and with Jerusalem (al-Quds al-Sharif) as its capital in accordance with Security Council Resolution 1397.

In return, the Arab states assert the following:

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To consider the Arab-Israeli conflict over and to enter into a peace treaty with Israel to consolidate this.
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To achieve comprehensive peace for all the states of the region.
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To establish normal relations within the context of comprehensive peace with Israel.

The Council calls on the Israeli government and the Israelis as a whole to accept this initiative to protect the prospects of peace and to spare bloodshed so as to enable the Arab states and Israel to coexist side by side and to provide for the coming generations a secure, stable and prosperous future.

It calls on the international community with all its organisations and states to support the initiative.

The Council calls on its presidency, its secretary general and its follow-up committee to follow up on the special contacts related to this initiative and to support it on all levels, including the United Nations, the United States, Russia, the European Union and the Security Council.
 
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By what standard?

How about shooting people in international waters? Find me a country that thinks Israel was in the right.

Both Arabs and Israelis can agree that this statement is ridiculous.

You're right I did downplay the role Palestinians actions play. I apologize.

A Palestinian Arab leader is only seen by Arabs as legitimate if Israel is paying him money?

Losing an election is pretty delegitmizing, I think. Are you saying his agreement with Israel doesn't have anything to do with losing?


Disingenuous. Just because the Chinese don't have Apaches doesn't mean they don't have other weapons; the Chinese build their own gunships, and anyway Lhasa is too high for effective helicopter use.

Your point?

The Chinese have media control, large-scale settlement, and soldiery occupying Tibet, and many more soldiers can be deployed to Tibet quickly in the event of large anti-Han riots. If a Han chooses to shoot a Tibetan, why would we hear of it?

There are tourists and jourolists about. Remember this footage taken in Tibet by an australian tourist during the riots.


and we haven't done this in a while.


There's always the nasty IDF habit of shooting journalists in the head or running them over with bulldozers.

Anyways This isn't about China. I just gave the example because it is a similar situation that I am well versed with.


Back to Israel's sins...

Sure there is. It's a property dispute, and like any other such, settling it is properly a matter of thorough consideration of facts and claims of all the parties involved. Very few Pakistanis can boast of hearing the Israeli side of things.

Bullshit what nation on the face of this planet will let foreign nationals establish settlements on its land who are not subject to the laws of the land. They are taking advantage of weakness. To make it sound like real estate agents fighting over property is white washing.

Who said anything about Pakistan?


You are not disputing the Goldstone stuff, but the "humanitarian catastrophe" bit. Everyone knows the Israelis allow tens of thousands of tons of supplies in every week. When Hamas first executed their putsch the immediate fear of Arabs was that Israel would declare an unconditional siege of Gaza and starve the populace and leadership into submission. They were very surprised that didn't happen, but pretend otherwise for propaganda purposes.


Yeah Israel is actually a teddy bear... Not starving people, bravo.

Gaza aid ship diverts to Egyptian port - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com



Israelis know that they can't both let every Arab who wants to settle in Israel do so and keep a democratic Israel intended.

Ooohh I get it "keep a democratic Israel" is code for jews only.

as the League of Nations put it, as a Jewish National Home, for the Arab experience of tolerating minorities is very very poor.
That's three claims, not one. Don't yo think they way you characterized them is itself dishonest?

What?

We don't insist that every American, Pakistani, Saudi, Japanese, or Indian be a "saint" to accept they have a legitimate right to their own life and national culture. Why make that demand of Israelis? Should I demand that of you?

I just meant the article is unbalanced. Which it clearly is. By making no mentions Israeli transgressions and only those of Arabs, there is an implicit assumption that Israel is guilt free(hence a saint). You misunderstood me.
 
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How about shooting people in international waters?
Another red herring.

what nation on the face of this planet will let foreign nationals establish settlements...To make it sound like real estate agents fighting over property is white washing.
I think there is no substitute to studying history. The book I suggested earlier will help you.

I just meant the article is unbalanced. Which it clearly is.
Why should it be "balanced"?

I have a question. How is it fair that -
How is "Land of Peace" doing in reality, and why was Yitzhak Rabin assassinated?

& Ejaz, AA, Batman, etc:

You aren't disputing the list, so what are you doing and why?
 
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SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER: 2010 TOP TEN ANTI-ISRAEL LIES

LIE #1
Israel was created by European guilt over the Nazi Holocaust. Why should Palestinians pay the price?


So tell us Solomon2, how is this a fabrication if many internationally respected historians claim that Israel's formation was a direct result of Holocaust and those of the Jewish faith claimed if they had a homeland to return to the Holocaust would not have been as significant as it was.

Answer this honestly, if there was no Holocaust would there be an Israel today? :coffee:
 
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Soloman take a rest & stop the bs here ... plus why do you bring these topics here ? this is a defence forum bring something regarding defence otherwise go find another site to do your debets.
 
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So tell us Solomon2, how is this a fabrication if many internationally respected historians claim that Israel's formation was a direct result of Holocaust -
A better question is, why are such historians respected?
 
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A better question is, why are such historians respected?

It's you against the world is it? The onus is on you to prove they are not.

It's rare to meet someone who is so full of himself that he quotes himself in his forum signature. :usflag::usflag:
 
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One true thing.... most israeli jews r of european origin and have no relation with ancient claims of some jewish land.
 
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Th best stuff is the argument no 9. Now even the UN is biased. Damn everyone is biased against poor little Israel.

The Jewish community is the only in the world which has groups like Anti-Defamation League, Office To Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism, Simon Wiesenthal Center and Jewish Defense League.

No other community, faith, group or nation tries and does so much to monitor "anti"something. Everybody monitors it but nobody has focused groups and institutes dedicated to such activity.

I bow before you guys for such dedication.
 
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I personally know a Pakistani Jewish family from Karachi who migrated to Israel right after the partition. They were neighbours of my Grandmother's sister in Karachi.
 
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I personally know a Pakistani Jewish family from Karachi who migrated to Israel right after the partition. They were neighbours of my Grandmother's sister in Karachi.

There are still several Pakistani jewish familes still living in karachi they pass them selves as parsis :coffee:
 
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