2 Navy sailors gunned down in Gwadar shooting

[YeBeWarned]

RIP brave soldiers , I wish that at least FC or Police would have persuade the Killers and shoot them dead on spot ..

 

[Cookie Monster]

1) WRT MB, try to read the history...independent history. When your Army and Generals started killing east pakistanis en masse and millions rushed to India (a poor third world country), it became a crisis for India and the world (this is not the case in J&K who enjoys special priviledge and its the Pakistani sent terrorist who cross LoC to commit terrorism in India.

2) MB episode was over in a year with a creation of a country which is progressing much better than you guys. We declared official war and completed the process. You can choose the same measures.

3) If you read more, you will learn that Paksitan had teamed up with China and was actively supporting insurgency in North East and was creating the disturbances in J&K since late 60s. You guys ( your army to be precise ) with the free arms from USA and Arab world thought yourself to be 10 times per Indian in strength and courage. Army are not the best institution in state craft as they believe more in boots and rwa power than diplomacy, Army rule has done the greatest suffering to people in entire south asia. Your army ruler being in American Camp, always inched for fighting with India to resolve issues. Those days you also had east Pakistan to create trouble in INDIA. India on the other hand was always defensive till 1970.

So to answer to your point on MB, you guys have been needling India since late 1960's and started the whole terrorism business ( skills that your fauj learned from USA). You gave an opening to India and India did what any country will do to make itself permanently secure.

Good Terrorist and Bad Terrorist. A terrorist is a terrorist. Any one using arms is a terrorist. Burhan Wani is a terrorist and the reason why he is dead. You guys support terrorism. You are fighting a country much powerful than you and much bigger than you. It will have a consequences. Once in a while you will see a leader like Indira Gandhi and Narendra Modi who will not hesitate to create a new nation if pushed enough.

Yeah yeah all the bravado from u guys is assumed...saying it a 1000 times won't make any difference so set that aside for now.

And as for Pakistan forcefully trying to put a stop to separatist elements in East Pakistan that is hypocritical of u to bring up. When India kills ppl like Burhan Wani/Sikhs(Khalistan movement)/other separatists in Northeast, u guys boast "he was a terrorist and that's what we will do to terrorists"...when Pakistan tried to do the same with its separatists, u guys claim "genocide/atrocities/etc.". The reality is ALL countries try to forcefully put a stop to separatist elements. So get off ur hypocritical high horse.

Bangladesh's progress is indeed impressive and I fully agree that their grievances were justified. Although that had more to do with our leaders(and not the average Pakistani) who weren't interested in making the life of their citizens better but instead were squandering away money and filling their own pockets. That is still the case in Pakistan where the common man has nothing but complaints against our "leaders". That is besides the point.

Let's get back on to the main topic here that u didn't address, which is the parallels between Bangladesh(MB) and IOK(the likes of Burhan Wani).

MB revolted and fought the government institutions/army. Pakistan had done injustices. Just like that Kashmiris have revolted and are fighting ur government institutions and army...moreover if u read independent sources(practice what u preach) u will see the atrocities that ur army has committed. Read up on all the rapes, the disappearances of ppl(males suspected of being "terrorists"), mass graves, etc. Do u really think that an average Kashmiri just wakes up one day wanting to throw stones at the army for a hobby? Or picks up a gun just bcuz? Wake up from ur nationalistic ego and see all the injustices that have happened.

Now that the parallels r drawn let's come to a conclusion. India supported/armed the MB taking advantage of the separatist elements in the then East Pakistan. Pakistan is doing the same in Kashmir. So would u call both(MB and Kashmiris like Burhan Wani) terrorists or both freedom fighters?(Note the bold part that u said above and be fair across the board as u claimed).

Once this is settled then we can talk about who did it first and who has the right to Kashmir and what not. First I wanna settle this issue of how every Indian claims that Pakistan has its hands dirty while India represents all that is good and right. The reality is that they both have their hands dirty.

 

[NALANDA]

At least you admit to Hindutva terrorism pouring out of india.... the rest about pakistan is conjuncture on your part... mostly due to you being brainwashed by your media.

I don't admit anything. I am just a layman and not part of government and what I stated is pure common sense. You guys are totally blind to what the boots that rule you does in an around to have a grip on your country.

 

[Clutch]

I don't admit anything. I am just a layman and not part of government and what I stated is pure common sense. You guys are totally blind to what the boots that rule you does in an around to have a grip on your country.

Go reread your post you admitted India is using terror. ... I.e a terror state.

 

[NALANDA]

Yeah yeah all the bravado from u guys is assumed...saying it a 1000 times won't make any difference so set that aside for now.

And as for Pakistan forcefully trying to put a stop to separatist elements in East Pakistan that is hypocritical of u to bring up. When India kills ppl like Burhan Wani/Sikhs(Khalistan movement)/other separatists in Northeast, u guys boast "he was a terrorist and that's what we will do to terrorists"...when Pakistan tried to do the same with its separatists, u guys claim "genocide/atrocities/etc.". The reality is ALL countries try to forcefully put a stop to separatist elements. So get off ur hypocritical high horse.

Bangladesh's progress is indeed impressive and I fully agree that their grievances were justified. Although that had more to do with our leaders(and not the average Pakistani) who weren't interested in making the life of their citizens better but instead were squandering away money and filling their own pockets. That is still the case in Pakistan where the common man has nothing but complaints against our "leaders". That is besides the point.

Let's get back on to the main topic here that u didn't address, which is the parallels between Bangladesh(MB) and IOK(the likes of Burhan Wani).

MB revolted and fought the government institutions/army. Pakistan had done injustices. Just like that Kashmiris have revolted and are fighting ur government institutions and army...moreover if u read independent sources(practice what u preach) u will see the atrocities that ur army has committed. Read up on all the rapes, the disappearances of ppl(males suspected of being "terrorists"), mass graves, etc. Do u really think that an average Kashmiri just wakes up one day wanting to throw stones at the army for a hobby? Or picks up a gun just bcuz? Wake up from ur nationalistic ego and see all the injustices that have happened.

Now that the parallels r drawn let's come to a conclusion. India supported/armed the MB taking advantage of the separatist elements in the then East Pakistan. Pakistan is doing the same in Kashmir. So would u call both(MB and Kashmiris like Burhan Wani) terrorists or both freedom fighters?(Note the bold part that u said above and be fair across the board as u claimed).

Once this is settled then we can talk about who did it first and who has the right to Kashmir and what not. First I wanna settle this issue of how every Indian claims that Pakistan has its hands dirty while India represents all that is good and right. The reality is that they both have their hands dirty.

Not in such a hurry boy. You did not revert to the points that I raised on you guys teaming up with China prior to 1971 to destabilize North East India. 1971 was part of spanking you got from a bigger country despite u guys being part of USA led block.

u can not compare J&K and East Pakistan. U are not getting millions of refugee in your country ( the way India got) which was causing destabilization of the demography and economy of India ...this mass exodus of East Pakistanis in India was due to atrocities being committed by your Army. U can realize the atrocities and mass murder and genocide which your country indulged that even USA, your ally and their ambassador had to flag it as one of the worst genocide. Indian action in 1971 was to protect itself . Can you claim the same rationale right now? Do you have mass exodus of Kashmiris in Paksitan. Infact it is the Hindu Pandits which had to leave their homeland due to religion driven efforts fanned by Pakistan in Valley. Remember entire J&K has legally acceded to India and after 1971 and Shimla Agreement, you as a loser were not asked by India to pay up the cost of war or war related repatriation levied on Pakistan as a looser nation. We returned POW's . You signed Shimla Agreement but has been violating it for long. We reserve our right to reply and a time will come when we we are ready with our infra, will consign the Indus Treaty to dustbin.

Let me tell you how the future will evolve. Your continued actions will Kashmir will result in huge investments by India in Balochistan till you bear the final consequence of your Kashmir Policy. In the interim, Pakistan will be made a country unfit for investment ....China is investing but soon they too will feel the heat.

Go reread your post you admitted India is using terror. ... I.e a terror state.

Please read my post again and know I am just one of the 1.3bn Indian Citizens. My statements just allude to common sense reaction by any country 5 times bigger in size, 10 times in economy and abilities.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Not in such a hurry boy. You did not revert to the points that I raised on you guys teaming up with China prior to 1971 to destabilize North East India. 1971 was part of spanking you got from a bigger country despite u guys being part of USA led block.

u can not compare J&K and East Pakistan. U are not getting millions of refugee in your country ( the way India got) which was causing destabilization of the demography and economy of India ...this mass exodus of East Pakistanis in India was due to atrocities being committed by your Army. U can realize the atrocities and mass murder and genocide which your country indulged that even USA, your ally and their ambassador had to flag it as one of the worst genocide. Indian action in 1971 was to protect itself . Can you claim the same rationale right now? Do you have mass exodus of Kashmiris in Paksitan. Infact it is the Hindu Pandits which had to leave their homeland due to religion driven efforts fanned by Pakistan in Valley. Remember entire J&K has legally acceded to India and after 1971 and Shimla Agreement, you as a loser were not asked by India to pay up the cost of war or war related repatriation levied on Pakistan as a looser nation. We returned POW's . You signed Shimla Agreement but has been violating it for long. We reserve our right to reply and a time will come when we we are ready with our infra, will consign the Indus Treaty to dustbin.

Let me tell you how the future will evolve. Your continued actions will Kashmir will result in huge investments by India in Balochistan till you bear the final consequence of your Kashmir Policy. In the interim, Pakistan will be made a country unfit for investment ....China is investing but soon they too will feel the heat.



Please read my post again and know I am just one of the 1.3bn Indian Citizens. My statements just allude to common sense reaction by any country 5 times bigger in size, 10 times in economy and abilities.

So I see how u have been avoiding to label MB as "terrorists" or "freedom fighters" despite ur claims of fairness and righteousness. Moreover u completely avoided the part of injustices in Kashmir.

From the excessive display of bravado in ur posts I can tell that u r not interested in a fair conversation(u r too caught up in ur nationalistic ego). So I suppose the discussion ends here.

As for Kashmir and the instrument of accession. Yes that is true that the Raja acceded to u. We have no problem giving it to u if u gives us Junagadh bcuz the Nawab there acceded to us. U can't have it both ways

I know u r gonna reply chest thumping again about how India is all mighty and Pakistan should tremble in fear...well news flash...we r not scared of u. A war between India and Pak can only end in one scenario now, which ur government and generals know well. If it was up to keyboard warriors like u that sit safely behind a computer, warmongering, a thousand wars would've been fought between India/Pak. Don't bother replying.

 

[SMC]

Let me tell you how the future will evolve. Your continued actions will Kashmir will result in huge investments by India in Balochistan till you bear the final consequence of your Kashmir Policy. In the interim, Pakistan will be made a country unfit for investment ....China is investing but soon they too will feel the heat.

Dude, you have been "investing" in Balochistan since the 60s. WTF are you on about? Our anti-terror infrastructure is so strong now that the entities supported by the terrorist state of India have largely been shredded to pieces. The terrorist groups can only stage occassional attacks now and even those are getting less frequent. You seem to be stuck in 2011 or something. The trend seems to going the complete opposite direction of what you think it is going to. Compare Balochistan now to where it was 5-10 years ago, and you should be concerned about what has changed instead of jerking yourself off. Your "investments" are bringing worse return for you, and not only Chinese investment is going through but so is investment from other countries. I mean we just got placed in MSCI emerging markets index you f*cking buffoon. CPEC is going at full force and here you are jerking yourself off to something that is only happening in your head.

 

[Clutch]

Not in such a hurry boy. You did not revert to the points that I raised on you guys teaming up with China prior to 1971 to destabilize North East India. 1971 was part of spanking you got from a bigger country despite u guys being part of USA led block.

u can not compare J&K and East Pakistan. U are not getting millions of refugee in your country ( the way India got) which was causing destabilization of the demography and economy of India ...this mass exodus of East Pakistanis in India was due to atrocities being committed by your Army. U can realize the atrocities and mass murder and genocide which your country indulged that even USA, your ally and their ambassador had to flag it as one of the worst genocide. Indian action in 1971 was to protect itself . Can you claim the same rationale right now? Do you have mass exodus of Kashmiris in Paksitan. Infact it is the Hindu Pandits which had to leave their homeland due to religion driven efforts fanned by Pakistan in Valley. Remember entire J&K has legally acceded to India and after 1971 and Shimla Agreement, you as a loser were not asked by India to pay up the cost of war or war related repatriation levied on Pakistan as a looser nation. We returned POW's . You signed Shimla Agreement but has been violating it for long. We reserve our right to reply and a time will come when we we are ready with our infra, will consign the Indus Treaty to dustbin.

Let me tell you how the future will evolve. Your continued actions will Kashmir will result in huge investments by India in Balochistan till you bear the final consequence of your Kashmir Policy. In the interim, Pakistan will be made a country unfit for investment ....China is investing but soon they too will feel the heat.



Please read my post again and know I am just one of the 1.3bn Indian Citizens. My statements just allude to common sense reaction by any country 5 times bigger in size, 10 times in economy and abilities.

Well too bad your kind never admit to recognizing the truth... you said it in black and white... I see this conversation isn't going anywhere..I'm out.... enjoy you stay at PAKISTAN Defence Forum...

 

[NALANDA]

Dude, you have been "investing" in Balochistan since the 60s. WTF are you on about? Our anti-terror infrastructure is so strong now that the entities supported by the terrorist state of India have largely been shredded to pieces. The terrorist groups can only stage occassional attacks now and even those are getting less frequent. You seem to be stuck in 2011 or something. The trend seems to going the complete opposite direction of what you think it is going to. Compare Balochistan now to where it was 5-10 years ago, and you should be concerned about what has changed instead of jerking yourself off. Your "investments" are bringing worse return for you, and not only Chinese investment is going through but so is investment from other countries. I mean we just got placed in MSCI emerging markets index you f*cking buffoon. CPEC is going at full force and here you are jerking yourself off to something that is only happening in your head.

Bhai, why so many f* word in a post. You loose your control while posting means it has deeply affected you. Modi has come 3 years back. It takes time for any fruitful investment to start paying dividend. Chinese investment and China will make you commit so much to protect it that you will learn what it takes to fight with a country 5 times your size and 10 times your resources. MSCI index example is very funny indeed.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

RIP to our soldiers , Suns of Soil , They gave there today for Ours (Pakistan) tomorrow .

 

[BetterPakistan]

RIP our brave soldiers. Love you.

 

[SMC]

Bhai, why so many f* word in a post. You loose your control while posting means it has deeply affected you.

It is because your posted is so f*cking retarded, completely out of depth and stuck back in time. NALANDA, 2011 calls you, it wants you back.

Chinese investment and China will make you commit so much to protect it that you will learn what it takes to fight with a country 5 times your size and 10 times your resources.

Can you elaborate more?

MSCI index example is very funny indeed.

You talked about investments. MSCI emerging markets index will result in a lot more investment in Pakistan. So what is funny?