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Vietnam Wins Thanks for Safe Return of Navy Fliers
July 19, 1988|United Press International

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SUBIC BAY NAVAL BASE, Philippines — Three U.S. Navy fliers rescued by Vietnam after they were forced to ditch their plane in the South China Sea last week returned today to their Philippines base to a warm welcome.

The three, including the co-pilot who is three months pregnant, were turned over today to U.S. officials and flown from Ho Chi Minh City to Bangkok, Thailand, and on to Subic Bay. The pilot expressed their thanks to the Vietnamese navy and government for their rescue and the hospitality extended.

About 120 relatives and friends carrying "welcome home" signs and balloons greeted the aviators as they arrived.

The fliers were rescued on July 12 after their CT-39E transport plane, on a routine flight from Singapore to Subic Bay, went down near the Spratly Islands, which are claimed by Vietnam, China and other nations.

"They're fine. It was an arduous ordeal, so they're tired, but they're very happy to be back home and to be with their relatives," Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. J. D. Van Sickle said.

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Co-pilot Lt. (j.g.) Elizabeth A. Steinnecker, 29, of Tampa, Fla., said "I feel fabulous" as she hugged her husband, Chris, who also is a Navy pilot.

Before leaving Bangkok, she told reporters, "The baby is doing wonderfully, thank you," adding, "He is going to be one strong kid."

Thanks Vietnamese

Lt. Richard K. Mauer, the downed plane's pilot, said, "We would like to thank the Vietnamese navy for pulling us from the sea, the Vietnamese government for extending the courtesies and hospitality to us."

"They treated us very well. They were very concerned for our safety," said the 30-year-old pilot from Harveys Lake, Pa. "We were very concerned that everybody back home knew we were alive. It's good to be back here."

Steinnecker said their unexpected stay in Vietnam was "interesting" and they were treated more as tourists than prisoners.

The third flier was Petty Officer 1st Class Michael R. Neel, 34, of Albuquerque, N.M.

The Navy said the fliers reported their navigational instruments failed and the plane ran out of fuel after missing a stop in Malaysia.

Vietnamese naval forces rescued them shortly after they crashed, Radio Hanoi said.

Relations Improving

The quick return of the fliers was one more sign of improving relations between the United States and its former enemy.

The three fliers, dressed in flight suits, smiled and chatted as they walked into an informal debriefing with U.S. Ambassador William A. Brown after landing in Bangkok.

"We are very grateful for the fact that they are alive and well and they got back and that it was done in an expeditious manner," Brown said later.

"They were well treated," he said. "There is no question of that in their own minds--bearing in mind the limitations that they landed in very unusual circumstances."

Brown said the landing was professional.

Vietnam Wins Thanks for Safe Return of Navy Fliers - Los Angeles Times
 
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The chance that missed ( for both ), to early normalize the relation
Read a great analysis in 1978. Surprisingly, it's useful for nowaday relation. Many recommendations are applied after 10 years.

Vietnam sacrificed 10 years of development for national security and saving Cambodian lives [1979-1988]
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U.S.-Vietnam Relations and the Security of Southeast Asia
By Franklin B. Weinstein
FROM OUR JULY 1978 ISSUE
U.S.-Vietnam Relations and the Security of Southeast Asia | Foreign Affairs
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The Carter Administration's policy concerning the normalization of relations with Vietnam has grown increasingly enigmatic. In the early months of the new Administration, there seemed to be ample evidence of a firm commitment to the rapid normalization of relations. The dispatch of the Woodcock mission to Hanoi and, in May 1977, the initiation of discussions with the Vietnamese in Paris seemed to foreshadow the early establishment of ties with Hanoi. The United States dropped its opposition to Vietnam's entry into the United Nations and pledged to end its trade embargo once diplomatic relations had been established. The Vietnamese promised to intensify efforts to provide an accounting of Americans listed as missing-in-action (MIA) in the war, and Hanoi's negotiator went out of his way to say that Vietnam was asking the United States not for "war reparations" but for "contributions" to the reconstruction of the country. Broadcasts over Radio Hanoi indicated that the government was in fact preparing the populace for normalization of relations with the United States and for a stepped-up effort to gather information about the American MIA's. Both sides appeared to share the objective of an early normalization of relations.

But the mood of optimism was shattered within hours of the Paris meeting's conclusion when the U.S. House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to bar the government from negotiating "reparations, aid or any other form of payment" to Vietnam. Subsequent votes in the House reaffirmed the existence of strong opposition to any form of aid and even to a lifting of the trade embargo. Positions of both the Vietnamese and U.S. governments hardened. The Vietnamese made it clear they would not budge from their view that U.S. "contributions to healing the wounds of war and to postwar reconstruction" were "an undeniable obligation," while the Carter Administration indicated that the aid requested by Hanoi was out of the question. The Paris negotiations, which resumed in June in a gloomy atmosphere, reached an impasse over the aid issue; another meeting, held in December, showed no apparent progress.

At present, it is hard to say what priority, if any, the Administration attaches to the normalization of relations with Vietnam. The limited public discussion of the issue in 1978 has tended to highlight the view that Washington should pay less, rather than more, attention to the normalization question. The case against normalization has been made most forcefully by Bernard K. Gordon. He believes the Vietnamese see nothing to be gained from cooperation with their neighbors, and he describes the view that close relations with Vietnam are crucial to stability and security in Southeast Asia as a "fixation" of the Japanese and, perhaps, a few Americans. It would, in Gordon's view, be prudent for the United States to make it clear that Vietnam, as a communist state, is "unpalatable" for American aid; refusing to deal with Hanoi would demonstrate Washington's intention to give priority in Southeast Asia to the ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) group - Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, and Thailand.1 The Administration has offered little public response to the critics of normalization; rather, it has, apparently as a matter of political expediency, seemed to retreat from its earlier enthusiasm for normalization without explaining what position Vietnam presently occupies in the U.S. vision of a secure and stable Southeast Asia.

II

There is a strong case to be made for normalizing relations with Vietnam and providing limited forms of assistance, but the Administration has not made it. This is undoubtedly an indication of its assessment that the political obstacles to such a policy are formidable. But it may also reflect a more general problem -namely, the U.S. failure to make clear the conceptual framework within which its Asian policies are cast. This deficiency has been glaringly apparent in connection with the Administration's major Asian initiative the decision to withdraw ground combat forces from Korea. That policy has been presented in a manner that has confused both our Asian allies and Congress; even some members of Congress who are basically sympathetic to the withdrawal decision assert that the long-term goals and assumptions underlying this policy have never been made clear.

The adjustment of U.S. Asian policies to fit the post-Vietnam strategic context has seemed unsure and piecemeal. Policies have been patched together in response to domestic political concerns, pressures from allies, and a new President's predispositions, but there has been no clear statement of the goals and instruments of a security policy attuned to the realities of a new era. On-again off-again negotiations with Vietnam, a confusing Korea policy, intermittent expression of concern about human rights in several Asian countries, a slowing of U.S. economic interest in Southeast Asia, bogged-down base negotiations with the Philippines, clashes with Japan over energy and trade, and a non-policy on China have all served to reinforce the impression that U.S. security policies in Asia lack any overall sense of direction. Given this context, it is hardly surprising that the Administration's Vietnam policy seems difficult to fathom.

It will be easier to understand the importance of relations with Vietnam for the security of Southeast Asia if we begin by recognizing several key elements of the post-Vietnam strategic context in Asia. A realistic adaptation to this new era requires a conception of security that goes beyond the previous preoccupation with military alliances and U.S. commitments. One of the principal features of the emerging Asian security system is a greater emphasis on economic and diplomatic relationships with potential adversary nations as instruments for helping to maintain security. The development of Sino-U.S. détente and the end of the Vietnam War have greatly increased the potential scope for such relationships. Indeed, it is not so difficult to imagine the emergence in Southeast Asia of what may be termed a "multi-alignment" system - a diversity of crosscutting relationships linking communist and non-communist nations on different issues.2 The main advantage of such a system is that conflict, when it arises, will be fragmented along numerous lines; the danger of the kind of polarization that can lead to hostilities is reduced.

This is not to suggest that economic and diplomatic relationships alone are likely to be decisive in preventing the outbreak of war; indeed, if such relationships are marked by conflict, they may provoke hostilities. Nor should emphasis on such relationships as potential instruments for maintaining security be taken to mean that military power has become unimportant. It is, however, reasonable to assume that if potential adversary nations have economic and diplomatic ties, they may well acquire a greater stake in maintaining peaceful relations. When going to war means jeopardizing a host of beneficial economic relations, the potential aggressor is more likely to calculate that the costs of war are too high. While some may think it unrealistic to view such relationships as a basis for security, the real danger is not that people will expect too much of these relationships but too little; an overemphasis on military capabilities as the basis of security may prevent any real effort to test the deterrent potential of other means.

Another important advantage of a multi-alignment system is that it would tend to lessen dependence on the United States without resulting in dependence on any other single power. It offers the non-communist nations of Asia a greater possibility of working out an accommodation of interests with their communist neighbors without merely moving out of one orbit and into another. And the process of diversifying alignments is itself likely to strengthen further the multipolarity of the system and to generate added opportunities for alternative relationships.

The cost of this diversification, which is already under way, is a diminished sense of solidarity among the former members of the American-guaranteed alliance system. Clearly, these countries will feel freer to manifest divergencies with the United States. But the lessened degree of dependence on U.S. power will be advantageous for the United States as well. Although the U.S. strategic deterrent and naval presence obviously retain important roles, multi-alignment will further reduce demands on U.S. military power, which is appropriate in an era of diminished U.S. capacity to project its military power in Asia. It could give Asian nations a greater political capacity to provide for their own security by placing them in a position to balance and even, on occasion, to manipulate their relationships with more powerful states. Of course, any move toward a multi-alignment system raises new uncertainties, and some are sure to view it as a threat to stability; but we need to have a more sophisticated understanding of the meaning of stability. In the long run, the soundest basis for stability will lie in the establishment of a security structure less dependent on U.S. military power. A stability that is self-perpetuating, rather than artificial, must come from within - through the establishment of a modus vivendi among the nations of the region. The proposed approach, which shifts priorities from the maintenance of alliance solidarity to the working out of an accommodation of interests between the ASEAN nations and their communist neighbors, may hold the best prospects for assuring the security of Southeast Asia.

III

The establishment of relations between the United States and Vietnam should not be viewed as one last battle in a war that some people continue to fight in their own minds; rather, it should be seen as an important first step toward the creation of a new Southeast Asian security system based on the concept of multi-alignment. There is, of course, no denying the existence of strong political opposition in this country to any form of assistance to Vietnam. But this only makes it all the more important that the Administration play a role of leadership in explaining to Congress and the American people why it is advantageous for the United States to develop relations with Vietnam.

Let us begin by recognizing that the Vietnamese have already done a good deal to lay the basis for the kind of cooperative relationships that could facilitate the development of a multi-alignment system. They have adopted a conciliatory posture toward their non-communist neighbors. Interviews with a cross-section of military and civilian leaders in all five ASEAN countries conducted during October-November 1977 indicate that Hanoi's efforts have eased regional anxieties about Vietnam's intentions. Approximately 65 interviews with senior foreign ministry officials, military leaders, politicians, journalists, businessmen, academic specialists, and foreign diplomats make it abundantly clear that Vietnam's neighbors do not, at present, feel threatened by Hanoi.

Earlier fears that the victorious Vietnamese would give a major boost to their communist compatriots elsewhere in Southeast Asia have not materialized. In Thailand, the country thought to be most endangered, U.S. and Thai officials report that there has been no increase in the level of Vietnamese support for the Communist Party of Thailand (CPT) since the Vietnam War's end. Modest training and logistic support, including small arms channeled through Laos, have continued at roughly their previous level. Most Thai leaders attribute this reticence to expand support of the CPT to the preoccupation of the Vietnamese with the reconstruction and development of their own country, though some also note that Hanoi may view the CPT with a certain ambivalence, since the latter is closer to Peking than to Hanoi. In Malaysia, official American sources report that there is no evidence of any Vietnamese support for the communist insurgency. In fact, according to State Department and Pentagon sources, the Vietnamese have not only refused to supply captured U.S. weapons to guerrillas in Malaysia, Thailand, and the Philippines but have rejected purchase offers from such nations as Libya, Ethiopia, North Korea, Peru, Pakistan and Turkey. This restraint - and willingness to forego sorely needed foreign exchange - was attributed, at least in part, to Hanoi's desire to facilitate economic ties with non-communist nations and to avoid being labeled an "exporter of revolution."3

To be sure, some leaders in each of the five countries are concerned as to how long the Vietnamese will maintain their present restrained posture. Some Thais feel that Hanoi's reluctance to give more support to the CPT may be mainly a reflection of the fact that the insurgency's needs are quite limited at present. Indonesian leaders are resentful of Radio Hanoi's broadcasts supporting guerrillas in the former colony of Portuguese Timor who continue to oppose their territory's absorption into Indonesia.

But practically all of the leaders interviewed in the ASEAN countries agreed that, up to now, Vietnam's posture toward its non-communist neighbors has been remarkably conciliatory. It had been thought in 1975 that the new balance in Southeast Asia would consist of an ASEAN bloc confronting an Indochina bloc. In fact, the emerging balance has proven to be a much more fragmented one. The only confrontation has been within the Indochina "bloc" itself; indeed, given the intense hostility between Vietnam and Cambodia, one seldom hears mention of any Indochina bloc. Hanoi has established diplomatic relations with all of the ASEAN countries. The last of these was Thailand, with which harsh words were exchanged during 1977. Most observers would agree, however, that the delay in normalizing relations was mainly attributable to the extreme anti-communism of the Tanin government, which came to power after the October 6, 1976 coup in Bangkok; when the army leadership moved to replace Tanin a year later, tensions quickly dissipated and the normalization of relations with Vietnam was consummated.

Moreover, the ASEAN leaders are relieved to find that Vietnam has not become as dependent on the Soviets as once feared, and that the prospects for a Soviet naval base at Cam Ranh Bay appear dim. Indeed, the best evidence of Vietnamese independence from the Soviet Union is the significant improvement in Hanoi's relations with Peking during the last year.

To a much greater extent than could reasonably have been anticipated in 1975, the Vietnamese have sought to facilitate the development of economic relationships with non-communist states. It is not just a matter of being more concerned with reconstruction than expansion. Although there are uncertainties as to how far the Vietnamese are prepared to go, they have indicated that they intend to base their economic development on a strategy that accords an important role to aid and investment capital supplied by non-communist countries.

Hanoi does, to be sure, attach more importance to economic relations with the major powers than with other Southeast Asian states; so, for that matter, does each of the ASEAN nations. The Vietnamese undoubtedly realize that only industrial powers like the United States and Japan can make a major contribution to the fulfillment of their country's pressing economic needs and, at the same time, help to provide a meaningful counterweight to dependence on the major communist nations. But it is inaccurate to suggest, as Gordon does, that Vietnam gives "very low priority" to economic cooperation with the ASEAN states and remains disinclined "to move to a new era in relations with its neighbors."

One should not confuse Hanoi's wariness of ASEAN as an organization with a reluctance to deal with the ASEAN nations. The Vietnamese have declined to deal with ASEAN as an entity because they have not yet rid themselves of the suspicion that the group, formed with U.S. encouragement, has an underlying rationale of anti-communism and may develop into a de facto military alliance. The Vietnamese are gradually coming to learn that ASEAN is dedicated primarily to economic cooperation, but given the recurrent reports that various ASEAN leaders believe the organization should play some sort of military security role, Vietnamese suspicions need not be dismissed as entirely beyond comprehension. Of course, one might argue that Vietnamese participation would be the best way to prevent ASEAN's becoming an anti-communist alliance.

In any case, Hanoi's attitude toward ASEAN has gradually softened from sharp opposition to non-approval. A secret report containing the five ASEAN foreign ministers' assessment of Vietnam in mid-1977 indicated a consensus that Vietnam is not hostile to the ASEAN grouping. Vietnamese reporting of last August's ASEAN summit meeting showed some signs of sympathy for the group. In informal discussions with a delegation of visiting Filipinos, the Vietnamese even hinted at the possibility of future cooperation with ASEAN, but said they needed time to gain a better understanding of the organization. More recently, they have suggested the formation of a larger regional organization embracing Burma and the three Indochina states, as well as the current ASEAN members; such a diverse membership, they contend, is necessary to demonstrate that the organization is intended only for economic cooperation, not for any ideological purposes. As an indication of their readiness to participate in regional groupings that are manifestly concerned only with economic cooperation, the Vietnamese have agreed to join the Association of Natural Rubber Producing Countries.4

The best indication of the extent to which the Vietnamese have sought to cooperate with non-communist countries, including their ASEAN neighbors, is the extraordinary range of economic relationships they have undertaken to establish with them. Of course, the Soviet Union has been by far the largest source of aid, and important contributions have come from China (whose share is expected to increase this year) and the East European countries. But there have also been significant contributions from France, Sweden and Japan, with small amounts provided by Australia and a half dozen West European nations. Hanoi's eagerness for U.S. aid has an economic, as well as political, rationale. From 1975 to early 1978, Hanoi was said to have raised some $300 million in commercial loans - much of it in short-term trade credits - mainly from French, West German and Japanese banks. Loans have been solicited from the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank (ADB). Vietnam has joined the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and in order to qualify for membership Hanoi had to make available financial data that the Soviets and Chinese, who have never joined the IMF, refused to provide. In taking Saigon's place in the ADB, Hanoi assumed all the "rights and obligations" of the former South Vietnamese government, which included meeting outstanding debt service payments covering the period since the demise of the Saigon government.

Perhaps the most surprising part of Vietnam's search for external assistance has been the country's strenuous effort, virtually unique for a socialist government, to attract private foreign investment. In April

1977 Hanoi promulgated a remarkably liberal foreign investment code aimed at encouraging investment in three areas: oil, export-oriented industries, and manufacturing for the domestic market. Under this code, foreign investors are permitted to hold up to 49 percent equity in joint ventures producing for domestic markets and can maintain exclusive ownership and management of enterprises producing for export; production-sharing arrangements are to be utilized in the oil sector. Although there has been some concern among foreign businessmen about the relatively high tax rates and the shortness of the non-nationalization guarantee (10-15 years), the code contains an article specifying that the Vietnamese government can, in specific cases, approve "more advantageous terms in favor of the foreign party." The Vietnamese have made it clear that the code, already liberalized a good deal in response to the comments of foreign businessmen on an earlier draft, has been presented more as a basis for negotiation than as a strict set of rules to which foreign investors are expected to adhere.5

The Vietnamese have indicated a special interest in attracting U.S. oil companies. Oil represents Vietnam's best hope for overcoming its trade deficit, and the Vietnamese have made it known that they would prefer to work with U.S. companies, rather than Soviet or European ones, because of the Americans' superior technology and prior experience in the area.6 Japanese participation in oil refining and petrochemical projects has been solicited, while Singaporean oil technology and equipment have been sought. Participation in Vietnam's oil development could bolster Singapore's ailing oil-support industries. The Vietnamese have voiced a desire to study the Indonesian experience in dealing with U.S. oil companies and also to send technicians to Indonesia to study fertilizer industry operations. Malaysia has agreed to send technicians to help with the development of Vietnam's rubber and oil palm industries.

Although 60 percent of Vietnam's trade is currently with the socialist countries, the Vietnamese say they attach considerable importance to increasing trade with their neighbors. In explaining Hanoi's refusal to join the Soviet-backed Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (COMECON), the Vietnamese Foreign Trade Minister asserted that his country's interest lay in developing trade with its Asian neighbors. Japan has already become Vietnam's number-two trading partner, close behind the Soviet Union.

The leaders of the ASEAN states, for their part, see numerous possibilities for developing trade relations with Vietnam. A Philippines Chamber of Commerce mission that visited Vietnam last year found the Vietnamese eager to import sugar, spare parts for U.S.-made tractors and other agricultural machinery, and other items, while high-grade anthracite coal was the most promising potential Vietnamese export to the Philippines. In January 1978 Vietnam concluded an agreement with Thailand on trade and economic/technical cooperation. This agreement, similar to ones reached with other ASEAN countries, was described as "more an expression of good will than a sign of impending major commerce," primarily because of Vietnam's lack of foreign exchange. Indeed, in each of the ASEAN countries, officials described Hanoi's lack of foreign exchange as the biggest obstacle to the development of trade with Vietnam. As an Indonesian cabinet minister noted, only if the Vietnamese could manage to get loans from a third party would Indonesia be able to sell Vietnam the fertilizer it wished to purchase.

IV

A question central to the future security of the ASEAN states is: what can be done to encourage the Vietnamese to hold to the conciliatory course upon which they are presently embarked? It is within this context that the question of normalization must be considered. The view that close relations with Vietnam are important for the security and stability of Southeast Asia is not, as Gordon has suggested, merely a "fixation" of the Japanese and a few individuals in Washington. Rather, it is the belief of a majority of leaders in the ASEAN countries, including many conservative military officers who one might expect would hold other views. For example, Thai leaders, including a broad cross-section of the army leadership, believe that Bangkok must now seek to achieve through the "traditional Thai" methods of negotiation and diplomacy the security it might earlier have pursued by relying on U.S. military power. In concrete terms, this means that the development of cordial relations with Vietnam and Cambodia stands at the top of the national agenda. Indeed, a failure to promote normalization of relations with Vietnam was one of General Kriangsak's major criticisms of his predecessor when he took power in Bangkok in October 1977. Although no one can guarantee positive results, there is a strong conviction in each of the ASEAN countries that the best hope of keeping Vietnam in a conciliatory mood is through the development of cooperative relations with Hanoi in a diversity of fields.

From the standpoint of the ASEAN leaders, it is important not only that they normalize their own relations with Vietnam - a process already well underway - but that the United States do so as well. The United States, they believe, can make an important contribution to the security of Southeast Asia if it carefully develops its political and economic relations with Vietnam and helps the ASEAN countries to do the same. There was unanimity among the Southeast Asians interviewed that it would be desirable for the United States to have normal diplomatic relations with Vietnam. There was also virtual unanimity on the desirability of Washington's providing economic assistance to Vietnam, subject to two conditions: (1) aid should not be so substantial that it makes the Vietnamese too strong, and (2) it should not come at the expense of aid to the ASEAN countries.

Those who contend that the ASEAN leaders oppose U.S. aid to Vietnam fail to discern the essential distinction relating to the magnitude of the aid to be provided. There has indeed been some concern in Southeast Asia that the two stipulated conditions might not be met - namely, that the United States would provide truly massive aid to Vietnam while ignoring the needs of the ASEAN countries. This concern has diminished considerably as the prospect of such massive aid has grown remote. Still, some Filipinos and Thais are bitter at the possibility that Vietnam may end up receiving more aid than countries that supported the United States in the war. Others, especially Indonesian army leaders, fear that the dynamic Vietnamese will be so successful in developing their economy that a decade hence other Southeast Asians may begin to ask whether they ought not to consider the Vietnamese model. Thai and Indonesian army generals observed that even if the Vietnamese receive no more aid than the ASEAN countries, they may well be able to use it more effectively because of the greater control they have over their society. Some senior officials, however, feel that if Vietnam appears to be making impressive progress, this should be viewed as a challenge that will spur the ASEAN countries to work harder themselves. Although the Japanese have drawn some criticism from the ASEAN countries for their leading role in developing economic relations with Hanoi, it is unclear what, if anything, this may imply about how the ASEAN leaders view the prospect of U.S.-Vietnamese economic relations. Criticism of the Japanese seems mainly to reflect a general distrust of them and, specifically, a fear that, in their pursuit of economic gain, they may favor Vietnam over the ASEAN countries.

But these concerns do not constitute opposition to Washington's providing any economic assistance whatever to Vietnam. A demonstration that the United States gives priority to ASEAN, rather than to Vietnam, does not require that Washington refrain from developing relations with Vietnam. On the contrary, the ASEAN leaders generally believe that modest U.S. aid to Vietnam would make an important contribution to their security by helping the Vietnamese become "respectable members" of Southeast Asian society and keeping their energies channeled into constructive paths. If, on the other hand, the Vietnamese were to become frustrated in their economic development efforts, they might become harder to deal with and turn to expansionism. Moreover, U.S. aid would reduce the possibility of any excessive Vietnamese dependence on the Soviets. It might even create a modest degree of dependence on the United States - for example, for spare parts - that could work to help preserve stability. Some feel that the United States ought to help build a stronger, more independent Vietnam in the hope that it might serve as a kind of buffer state that could help to maintain a regional balance of power and thwart any Soviet or Chinese thrust into Southeast Asia.

The central point is this: if the United States has an interest in the stability and security of Southeast Asia, then it has an interest in persuading Hanoi that its conciliatory policy of seeking cooperative relationships with non-communist states is viable. The normalization of U.S. relations with Vietnam could well be important, if not decisive, in determining whether Hanoi deems its conciliatory policy a success. Ties with Hanoi would open the way not only for U.S. aid but for a lifting of the trade embargo and the entry of U.S. oil companies, which would be of the utmost importance to the Vietnamese. Normalization would also encourage other investors, from the United States and elsewhere, to work with the Vietnamese. And it would help legitimize Japanese efforts to develop their economic relations with Vietnam, which, from the standpoint of Southeast Asian security, we have every reason to do.

Up to now, the response to Hanoi's search for aid and investment from the non-communist world has been lukewarm. Although the Vietnamese have worked hard to develop a diversity of sources, the amount of aid pledged and the response from private investors have been far below the country's needs. Especially disappointing to the Vietnamese has been the reluctance of the non-communist countries to give commodity aid or loans for equipment, as opposed to commercial loans and deferred-payment arrangements.7

We should be aware, moreover, that there may well be a limit to the time available for a response from the United States. As Douglas Pike has noted, the doctrinal issue of "how far Vietnam should go in subordinating ideology to economics in its external relations" has yet to be definitively resolved.8 It is in the interest of the United States to act in a way that will strengthen the hand of Vietnamese moderates who seek to keep "economics in command." Recent reports from diplomatic sources in Hanoi indicate that the decision to adopt an open policy concerning economic relations with the West was taken over the objections of some senior leaders and a number of younger Moscow-trained cadres. There are indications that if the policy of openness proves a failure because of the absence of a response from the United States, there will be strong pressure to rely more heavily on the Soviet Union. There is already evidence that the Soviets look askance on Vietnam's open invitation to Western capital; they would prefer Vietnam's full integration into COMECON, rather than the intensification of its relations with non-communist states.9 It would be most unfortunate if U.S. unwillingness to deal with Hanoi were to push the Vietnamese into Moscow's embrace.

V

If the impasse over the aid issue is permitted to prevent a normalization of U.S. relations with Vietnam, the United States will have missed an important opportunity to contribute to the building of a new structure of stability and security in Southeast Asia. It is, of course, a fact that the Congress is presently opposed to giving aid to Vietnam because this might seem to imply an admission of U.S. guilt in the war. But congressional opinion is not unchangeable. It is worth noting that a public opinion poll organized by The New York Times and CBS in mid-1977 showed 66 percent of the American people in favor of giving food or medical assistance to Vietnam and 49 percent agreeing to assistance in industrial and farm equipment. One might wish that Hanoi would simplify the political task in this country by separating the normalization and aid issues, recognizing that the chances of subsequently arranging aid to Vietnam would be increased if diplomatic relations could be established without any gesture that could imply a U.S. admission of wrongdoing. But the Vietnamese, one may presume, lack confidence that such subsequent aid would be forthcoming; moreover, they claim that their own political realities - they must explain to their own people why the Americans are now being welcomed - require some indication that the United States wishes to help their country recover from the war's destruction.

One possible compromise might be for the United States to pledge aid when diplomatic relations are established but to assert (1) that this aid is given as a gesture of goodwill, not as the fulfillment of any obligation, and (2) that it does not constitute any admission of wrongdoing. If the Vietnamese want to tell their own people that this aid means the Americans are sorry for the destruction they caused during the war, does this really do any harm to U.S. interests?

The Vietnamese have made it clear that they are very flexible as to the forms in which U.S. aid might be given. It can, for example, be channeled through international agencies. It may well be that an appropriate first step for the United States in developing economic relations with Vietnam would be to help facilitate trade between Vietnam and the ASEAN countries by providing credits that could be used by Hanoi to purchase products from the other Southeast Asian nations. As already noted, Vietnam's lack of foreign exchange is a major barrier to the development of economic relations with the ASEAN states. These credits could be viewed as a form of assistance to the ASEAN countries as well, since they would expedite their exports. And such an approach would do a great deal to ease the minds of any in the ASEAN countries who fear that U.S. aid to Vietnam might come at their expense. This approach - in effect, channeling U.S. aid to Vietnam through the ASEAN countries - would greatly please the ASEAN leaders. Thai and Indonesian army generals, among others, described this as the "ideal" way for the United States to begin assisting the Vietnamese.

In the long run, the initial congressional reluctance to aid Vietnam may prove to have been useful. Because we have exercised caution in approaching Vietnam, it is more likely that the basis for the new relationship will be properly understood. Unseemly haste might have aroused fears on the part of the Vietnamese that the United States was seeking domination; it would certainly have aroused passions in the United States. Most important, it will be better in the long run for both sides if the relationship is perceived to be founded on mutual interests, rather than on the notion of reparations, as earlier demanded by the Vietnamese. A relationship seen as mutually beneficial is more likely to endure.

We should proceed, therefore, with the understanding that if we establish relations with Vietnam and provide modest economic assistance, we shall be doing this because it supports our interest in the maintenance of peace and stability in Southeast Asia. Relations with Vietnam ought to be viewed not merely as a bilateral matter but as an important step toward building a new regional system characterized by the diversity of relationships I have referred to as multi-alignment. Above all, we need to adopt a forward-looking approach. It will be most regrettable if the passions of the Vietnam War, which have already done so much damage to the fabric of American life, should now cause us to sacrifice a real opportunity to contribute to the creation of a new structure of security in Southeast Asia.

Footnotes

3 New York Times, May 1, 1977.

9 See Robert C. Horn, "Soviet-Vietnamese Relations and the Future of Southeast Asia," unpublished paper prepared for the annual meeting of the Western Slavic Association, 1978, p. 11 and also Far Eastern Economic Review, May 13, 1977, p. 42.
 
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traitor can not say like that. what china did in VN war ?, stopped help from 1968 and begged Nixon to visit Peking China 1972.
1,I'm not sure you are telling the lies or your goverment tell the lies.
From 1965 August to 1969 Mars, China send more than 150,000 air def troops to help you. It's end in 1969 Mars is because America say they stop atack north from air. And there are also from 1965 Juni to1973 August more than 170,000 Manufacture Troops and Minesweeping Troops.
The rebuild aid and finans aid last to 1978 May, until you sign agremment with chinese that times enimy USSR.
2, At 1969, when China is very close get a total war with USSR, china called no help, and in 1972 we do? Nixon come to China is because USSR at that time is more agressive than USA, America want to find more ally. So I will say China and America get close thank to USSR. The same reason, America and Vietnam get close thank to China.

And @BoQ77 , I didn't seen others delete your commons no matter what is it. And mein is relativ to the topic, why do you delete it.
 
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1,I'm not sure you are telling the lies or your goverment tell the lies.
From 1965 August to 1969 Mars, China send more than 150,000 air def troops to help you. It's end in 1969 Mars is because America say they stop atack north from air. And there are also from 1965 Juni to1973 August more than 170,000 Manufacture Troops and Minesweeping Troops.
The rebuild aid and finans aid last to 1978 May, until you sign agremment with chinese that times enimy USSR.
2, At 1969, when China is very close get a total war with USSR, china called no help, and in 1972 we do? Nixon come to China is because USSR at that time is more agressive than USA, America want to find more ally. So I will say China and America get close thank to USSR. The same reason, America and Vietnam get close thank to China.

And @BoQ77 , I didn't seen others delete your commons no matter what is it. And mein is relativ to the topic, why do you delete it.

What's commons ?
1. On topic pls. As you know, the thread is mainly about post-war era and both amendment of war hurt and building trust; NOT opposing and mistrust.

2. I was warned by Hu Songshan that don't bring China to any thread that not relate, so please respect, or you would drag me to hardly discuss with Chinese members about "How good China treated to Vietnam" which is non-related.
 
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From 1965 August to 1969 Mars, China send more than 150,000 air def troops to help you. It's end in 1969 Mars is because America say they stop atack north from air. And there are also from 1965 Juni to1973 August more than 170,000 Manufacture Troops and Minesweeping Troops.

There ware logistic troops , built the roads from China to Vietnam. China withdrawal in 1968 for the pingpong diplomacy.1969, China attacked Soviet Union.

After signing with US the agreement in Shanghai 1972. China hoped that Saigon regime is still exist. This is Korea Version 2. of China.
 
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There was logistic troops , built the roads from China to Vietnam. China withdrawal in 1968 for the pingpong diplomacy.1969, China attacked Soviet Union.

After signing with US the agreement in Shanghai 1972. China hoped that Saigon regime is still exist. This is Korea Version 2. of China.

traitor can not say like that. what china did in VN war ?, stopped help from 1968 and begged Nixon to visit Peking China 1972.

all happened before 1973. and non-relate, pls leave that for another thread. remove your exchange if possible to make this thread purely.
 
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MILESTONES IN THE BILATERAL RELATIONS
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  • 24 - 26 July 2013: President Truong Tan Sang paid an Official Visit to the US, setting framework for Comprehensive Partnership.
  • 10 - 11 July 2012: Visit to Vietnam by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
  • 24 - 26 June 2012: Visit to US by Vice Chairwoman of Vietnamese National Assembly Nguyen Thi Kim Ngan.
  • 3 - 4 June 2012: Visit to Vietnam by US Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta.
  • 12 - 14 March 2012: Visit to US by Vice Chairman of Vietnamese National Assembly Uong Chu Luu.
  • 7 - 11 February 2012: Visit to US by Deputy Prime Minister Vu Van Ninh.
  • 10 November 2011: Vietnamese State President Truong Tan Sang met US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the sideline of APEC 2011 in Hawaii (US)
  • 3 - 6 October 2011: Visit to US by Vice Chairman of National Assembly Huynh Ngoc Son
  • 26 September 2011: Vietnamese Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh met US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the sideline of UN General Asembly meeting in New York.
  • 7 July 2011: Vietnamese Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Nguyen Quoc Cuong presented Letter of Credential to US President Barack Obama
  • 23 May 2011: Vietnamese Trade Minister Vu Huy Hoang attended the meeting of the Vietnam-US Trade and Investment Framework Agreement (TIFA) Council in Washington with an agreement on access to each other’s market for several mutually-supplementary agricultural products.
  • 29 - 30 October 2010: Visit to Vietnam by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
  • 11 - 12 October 2010: Visit to Vietnam by Defense Secretary Robert Gates
  • 22- 23 July 2010: Visit to Vietnam by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
  • 22 April 2010: Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung attended Nuclear Security Summit in U.S
  • 1-2 October 2009: Visit to the US by Deputy PM and FM Pham Gia Khiem.
  • 10 - 15 December 2009: Visit to US by Defense Minister Phung Quang Thanh
  • 12 - 21 April 2009: Visit to US by Public Security Minister Le Hong Anh
  • June 23 -26 2008: Visit to the US by Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung
  • January 22 2008: Vietnamese Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Le Cong Phung presents Letter of Credential to US President George W. Bush
  • June 18 - 23 2007: Historic Visit by President of Vietnam Nguyen Minh Triet to the US
  • March 9 - 16 2007: Visit to the US by Deputy PM and FM Phạm Gia Khiem.
  • December 08 2006: Approval by U.S. House of Representative of the Bill to extend the Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR) status to Vietnam. Dec 9 2006, the Bill was passed in the US Senate.
  • November 17 - 20, 2006: First visit to Vietnam by U.S. President George W. The President attends the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Summit in Hanoi and visit Ho Chi Minh City.
  • May 31, 2006: Signing of bilateral agreement on Vietnam's accession to the World Trade Organization.
  • April 21, 2006: Visit to Vietnam by U.S. House of Representative Speaker Dennis Hastert
  • June 19 - 25, 2005: Visit to the United States by Vietnamese Prime Minister Phan Van Khai.
  • December 9, 2004: United Airlines launches the first direct service between US and VN.
  • June 23, 2004: President Bush designats VN as a new recipient for the $15 billion plan to combat AIDS.
  • April 25-28, 2004: Vice Chairman of Vietnam National Assembly Nguyen Phuc Thanh visits the United States.
  • April 2, 2004: The formation of the US-Vietnam Caucus is announced.
  • December 4, 2003: Deputy Prime Minister Vu Khoan visits the United States and oversees the signing of an aviation agreement and agreement on technical cooperation between USAID and the Government Office.
  • November 9-12, 2003, Defense Minister Pham Van Tra visits the US for the first time to discuss cooperation and exchanged views on issues of mutual concern.
  • July 23rd, 2002: U.S House of representatives support the President's decision to extend waiver from Jackson-Vanik provisions for Vietnam for another year by a vote 338-91.
  • June 12-22th, 2002: Deputy Prime Minister Nguyen Manh Cam pays an visit to the U.S to promote trade and economic relations between the two countries.
  • Dec 10-12th, 2001: Permament Deputy Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung pays an official visit to the U.S. DPM has meetings with National Security Adviser Dr. Rice, Acting State Secretary Armitage; Trade Secretary Evans; Senators John Kerry; John McCain; Congressman Philip Crane.
  • Dec 10th, 2001: Bilateral Trade Agreement enters effect after exchange of ratification letters by Vietnam's Trade Minister Vu Khoan and U.S Trade Representative Zoelick at Blair House.
  • Nov 24th, 2001: Vietnam's National Assembly approved BTA.
  • Oct 18th, 2001: President Bush signed Resolution of ratification of BTA.
  • Oct. 8th, 2001: U.S Senate approved the Bilateral Trade Agreement between the U.S and Vietnam.
  • Sept 12th, 2001: President Tran Duc Luong and Foreign Minister Nguyen Dy Nien send message of condolences to President Bush and American people ater tragey Sept 11.
  • July 24-27th, 2001: U.S State Secretary Powell attended ASEAN meetings in Hanoi.
  • July 2-6th, 2001: Vietnam and the U.S agreed to conduct two research projects on Agent Orange.
  • June 1st, 2001: President Bush decided to waiver Jackson-Vanik amendment to Vietnam.
  • April 7,2001: Helicopter crash killed 16 members of joint MIA mission between Vietnam and the U.S
  • Jan 9, 2001: Vietnam and the U.S signed MOU for technical cooperation in Meteorology and Hydrology.
  • Nov 16-19th, 2000: US President Clinton pays an official vist to Vietnam
  • Sept 21-24th 2000: Foreign Minister Nguyen Dy Nien pays an official visit to Washington
  • Sept 14th 2000: The White House announces that President Clinton will pay an official visit to Hanoi in mid-November, after attending a meeting of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Brunei.
  • July 13th 2000: The two sides sign a landmark trade agreement a quarter of a century after the end of the Vietnam War.
  • June 19th 2000 : The US pledges 1.7 million dollars in humanitarian aid to help Vietnam detect and destroy mines and unexploded ordnance.
  • March 13th, 2000: US Defense Secretary William Cohen pays an official visit to Vietnam.
  • July 25th 1999: Vietnam signs a trade agreement in principle with the US in Hanoi.
  • January 1999: Vietnam grants Most Favored Status to American companies working in Vietnam although the two countries dont have bilateral trade agreement yet.
  • Oct 1st 1998: Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign Minister Nguyen Manh Cam visits the US, the first official visit to the US.
  • March 11th, 1998 : First time President Clinton announces a waiver that excludes Vietnam from the Jackson-Vanick amendment .
  • June 26th-27th 1997 : US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright visits Vietnam.
  • May 1997: the two countries exchange Ambassadors: Mr. Le Van Bang becomes Vietnamese Ambassador to the US; Mr. Douglas Peterson as US ambassador to Vietnam.
  • Aug 5, 1995 : Secretary of State Warren Christopher inaugurates the US embassy in Hanoi as he pays the first official visit by a US secretary of state to Vietnam.
  • July 11, 1995: President Clinton and Prime Minister Vo Van Kiet announce of establishment of diplomatic relations between the US and Vietnam.
  • Jan 28, 1995: The two countries announce the opening of liaison offices.
  • Feb 3 1994: Clinton announces the lifting of the trade embargo against Vietnam, a week after it is approved by the US Senate.
  • Sept 14 1993: President Clinton allows US firms to take part in development projects financed by international institutions in Vietnam.
  • July 2 1993: President Clinton authorizes the International Monetary Fund to refinance Vietnam's foreign debt (140 million dollars), clearing the way for Vietnam to receive international financial aid.
  • April 25 1993: The first US company, Vatico (consultancy), opens an office in Vietnam.
  • Dec 14 1992: President George Bush allows US companies to open representative offices in Vietnam and to sign contracts once the US trade embargo is lifted.
  • November 11, 1991 the US Government officially allows American tourists, veterans, journalists, businessmen to visit Vietnam.
  • Sept. 29th, 1990 Foreign Minister Nguyen Co Thach meets State Secretary James Baker in New York.
  • Sept. 29th-31st, 1988: Second visit of General John Vessey to Vietnam on humanitarian issues which both sides share interest.
  • Aug 1st - 3rd, 1987, Special Envoy of President Reagan, General John Vessey first time visits Vietnam to discuss humanitarian issues of mutual interest.
  • April 30, 1975: A US trade embargo, already in effect against North Vietnam since 1964, is extended to the whole of Vietnam.
 
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AGENT ORANGE IN VIETNAM PROGRAM
The U.S.-Vietnam Dialogue Group on Agent Orange/Dioxin
Dialogue Group Policy Papers

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  • Susan V. Berresford, Convener; former President, The Ford Foundation
Members from the United States:
  • Walter Isaacson, American Co-Chair; President & CEO, The Aspen Institute
  • Christine Todd Whitman, President, Whitman Strategy Group
  • William Mayer, President & CEO, Park Avenue Equity Partners
  • Mary Dolan-Hogrefe, Vice President and Senior Advisor, National Organization on Disability
  • Dr. Vaughan Turekian, Chief International Officer, American Association for the Advancement of Science
Members from Vietnam:
  • Ambassador Ha Huy Thong, Vietnamese Co-Chair; Vice Chair, Foreign Affairs Committee, National Assembly
  • Professor Vo Quy, Center for Natural Resources & Environmental Studies, Vietnam National University
  • Dr. Nguyen Thi Ngoc Phuong, Chief, Obstetrics & Gynecology, Medical University of Ho Chi Minh City
  • Do Hoang Long, Director, People to People Relations Department, Party External Relations Committee
  • Lt. General Phung Khac Dang, Vice President, Vietnam Veterans Association
Download this member list in English or Tiếng Việt

Background

The idea for a citizen-to-citizen dialogue on Agent Orange was first explored in 2006 by the Ford Foundation. The idea was that a group of this kind could raise the awareness of people in the United States, including U.S. officials and business leaders, about this last and troubling legacy of the Vietnam war. It was formally established in February 2007 as an initiative of prominent private citizens, scientists and policy-makers on both sides, working on issues that the two countries’ governments have found difficult to address. It is not an implementing agency or a fundraising organization.

Its role has been to call attention to five priority tasks to be undertaken in a humanitarian spirit: establish treatment and education centers for Vietnamese with disabilities; cooperate with the U.S. and Vietnamese governments to contain and clean up dioxin, beginning at three priority airport “hot spots”; set up a modern dioxin testing laboratory in Vietnam; foster programs for training of trainers in restoration and management of damaged landscapes; and educate the U.S. public on the issues.

Five Priority Tasks: There is progress to report on all five tasks.

1) Centers of rehabilitation have been created for people affected by Agent Orange to restore their abilities, support their families, and create favorable conditions for them to enjoy education and training. Health care and vocational training pilot programs are operating in Thai Binh, Da Nang and Quang Ngai within the “Support Network for People with Disabilities” program of the East Meets West Foundation. Children of Vietnam is working with local authorities in Da Nang on its “Hope System of Care” program. Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation provides health care, vocational training and social inclusion programs to raise living standards for people with disabilities and residents of dioxin hotspots in six provinces. Vietnam Assistance for the Handicapped is upgrading community-based care in Binh Dinh, Kon Tum and Da Nang. These and similar programs are valuable but further resources are needed.

2) Cooperation between the U.S. and Vietnamese governments has expanded on efforts to contain and clean up dioxin at three priority airport “hot spots.” The first two of three steps needed to remediate the environment are complete at the Da Nang airbase. These are measurement of dioxin contamination in land and in food supplies and containment of dioxin sediments in the northern part of the base. A cement cap now covers the most contaminated soils; a filter tank traps runoff carrying contaminated soils from adjacent areas; and a permanent wall along the airport’s north side prevents people entering the area and using the ponds. The third step is to clean up the dioxin, which is expected to begin in 2012. Additional financial support is required to complete the remediation of all three hot spots.

3) An high-resolution dioxin laboratory has been opened in Hanoi. The Dialogue Group attracted support from The Atlantic Philanthropies and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in the amount of $5.4 million toward the total of $6.75 million needed to create a state-of-the-art Vietnam Persistent Organic Pollutants Laboratory. The Vietnam government is funding the balance, and the facility opened in January 2011. It will be a cornerstone of Vietnam’s environmental management efforts, allowing accurate assessment of dioxin and similar organic pollutants in soil, sediments, and human tissue. It will benefit future generations of Vietnamese as well as people currently affected.

4) Programs for training of trainers in restoration and management of damaged landscapes have begun. The Dialogue Group backed the idea of training programs on ways to restore and reuse lands degraded by the herbicide spraying. The Center for Resources and Environment Studies at Hanoi National University successfully introduced this approach with farmers, technical experts and officials in Quang Tri province and has extended it to Thua Thien Hue province. This initial work may be replicated in more areas across Vietnam when new support is available.

5) In the United States, a humanitarian approach to Agent Orange/dioxin is gaining supporters. The Dialogue Group has convened five meetings that have yielded reports on various aspects of the situation in Vietnam. U.S. Dialogue Group partners are working to educate U.S. policymakers, Members of Congress, international organizations, businesses and others who might provide financial resources and expertise.

Declaration & Plan of Action: To further focus these efforts, on June 16, 2010 the U.S.-Vietnam Dialogue Group on Agent Orange/Dioxin released a ten year Plan of Action with these words:

In the 35 years since the end of the war, the United States and Vietnam have made great progress toward friendly relations. But the war reverberates today in the lives of millions of Americans and Vietnamese. These include people affected then and now, directly and indirectly, by the U.S. spraying of Agent Orange and other herbicides over rural South Vietnam.

“This grim legacy hinders improved U.S. relations with Vietnam. Questions of responsibility, awareness and data reliability have for too long generated bitter controversy and stalled research and remedial action. A majority of Americans who have been polled to date agree that it is time to lay those issues aside.

“We therefore call upon the United States to join with the Vietnamese to fund a comprehensive and humanitarian effort to resolve the legacy of Agent Orange/dioxin in Vietnam.

The Plan of Action aims to achieve two goals over the next ten years:

  • Clean dioxin-contaminated soils and restore damaged ecosystems; and
  • Expand services to people with disabilities linked to dioxin, and to people with other forms of disability, and to their families.


The components of the Plan offer a significant part of the long-term solution to the Agent Orange/dioxin legacy in Vietnam. The Plan projects them to cost $300 million over the next ten years or $30 million per year. The U.S. government should play a key role in meeting these costs, along with other public and private donors, supplementing an appropriate continuing investment from the government and the people of Vietnam. These funds are not yet in hand; they will need to be raised through continuing representations to donors.

Current Status of Funding: In July 2011 the Dialogue Group issued its First Year Report on progress since the release of itsDeclaration and Plan of Action. The following table shows data from available sources on funds that have been raised for dioxin clean up and services for people with disabilities in Vietnam from the establishment of the Dialogue Group in 2007 through May 2010 and since the Dialogue Group’s Plan of Action was released a year ago.

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During the year the U.S. Congress appropriated an additional $15.5 million which with other U.S. government funds will cover the costs of the project to completely clean up the dioxin at the Da Nang airport. Clean-up of the other two major dioxin hotspots can now be expected and the public health risk they represent can be brought to an end. This is good news and worth celebrating. The Dialogue Group will now focus on the principal remaining challenge-- bringing services and opportunities to people with disabilities linked to dioxin, and to people with other forms of disability.

To address the needs of people with disabilities, the U.S. Congress has also appropriated $3.0 million in new funds this year. Other donors, responding to the framework provided by the Dialogue Group’s Plan of Action, have provided a further $1.6 million in new funds for such programs. These new funds for services and clean-up total $20 million. By contrast, funds raised for Agent Orange work averaged $17 million in each of the three preceding years. This increase is good news. On the other hand, the $20 million is just two-thirds of the amount called for in the first year of the Plan of Action.

Next Steps: In the year ahead, the U.S.-Vietnam Dialogue Group calls for all stakeholders to continue and expand the work they have already begun to provide services in all parts of the country to people with disabilities linked to dioxin, to people with other forms of disability, and to their families. Similarly, agroforestry and afforestation projects should be spread from Quang Tri and Thua Thien Hue provinces for sustainable reuse of damaged landscapes in other areas.

The Dialogue Group also recognizes the growing partnership between the United States and Vietnam which is now delivering real measures to address the legacy of Agent Orange. On the first anniversary of the Dialogue Group’s Plan of Action, it now appears possible for the U.S. and Vietnamese governments to work together along with other stakeholders to address comprehensively the needs at the three former U.S. airbases where dioxin levels are particularly high –Da Nang, Bien Hoa and Phu Cat –and in the communities surrounding these airbases. Other stakeholders include the U.S.-Vietnam Dialogue Group, the UN system, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), U.S. and Vietnamese businesses, and U.S. civic and religious leaders.

Work in Da Nang has established a tradition of cooperation that can now be further expanded and deepened in Da Nang and applied to the two other sites. The work would focus high-quality and comprehensive attention to all aspects of the Agent Orange legacy at these locations, reduce bilateral tensions surrounding Agent Orange, and further build Vietnam’s technical and scientific capabilities and scientific cooperation between our two nations. The work at the three sites is planned to be completed by 2015 and would represent a significant accomplishment.

Download this Dialogue Group fact sheet in English or Tiếng Việt

For More Information: Contact Charles Bailey, Charles.BaileyADV [at] gmail.com or +1 (201) 572-4508


 
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Da Nang work :
The US$84-million project, funded by US Agency for International Development (USAID), aims to eliminate the extensive dioxin contamination at the former airbase.

Dempsey said the US wants to cooperate with Vietnam in maritime security and assist the country in protecting its sovereignty at sea.
Dempsey said that the US seeks a roadmap to lifting the ban on lethal arms sales to Vietnam, adding that the number of government officials, congressmen, diplomats and military men who believe in lifting the ban is growing.

For his part, Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung said he supports the continuous implementation of five key goals: dioxin cleanup, UXO clearance, English-language training for Vietnamese military officers, supporting Vietnam’s participation in UN peacekeeping missions, and lifting the ban on weapons sales to Vietnam.
Dempsey’s trip to Vietnam came at a time when Hanoi is locked in territorial disputes with China.
Though China withdrew an illegally placed mobile oil rig from Vietnamese waters in mid-July, relations between China and Vietnam about the former’s long-term strategy in the East Sea remain strained.


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Gen. Martin Dempsey visit "Da Nang work"

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080621-N-9689V-003 NHA TRANG, Vietnam (June 21, 2008) Simran Kaur Mundi, a Miss Universe contestant representing India, visits a young Operation Smile patient during her tour of the Military Sealift Command hospital ship USNS Mercy (T-AH 19). Mercy is anchored off the coast of Nha Trang, conducting its second mission site in support of Pacific Partnership 2008. This is the first time since 1975 that the Vietnamese government has allowed their citizens to receive surgery aboard a U.S. military vessel. The mission involves partnerships with the armed forces of Vietnam, Vietnamese health care professionals, and local government officials. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Joshua Valcarcel (Released)
 
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John McCain - Navy pilot in Vietnam War / US Senator now
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Vietnamese peasants could leave John McCain ( who just dropped bombs ) there to death, BUT they saved him.

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To the rescue: John McCain, lying on his back across a bamboo log, is saved by villagers - including Mai Van On - after his jet was shot down in 1967. “

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John McCain: The US presidential candidate is administered to in a Hanoi hospital in 1967

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Senator McCain and his Vietnamese rescuer Mai Van On in Hanoi in 1996

On October 26, 1967, Mai Van On ran from the safety of a bomb shelter at the height of an air raid and swam out into the lake where Lieutenant Commander McCain was drowning, tangled in his parachute cord after ejecting when his Skyhawk bomber was hit by a missile.

In an extraordinary act of compassion at a time when Vietnamese citizens were being killed by US aerial bombardments, he pulled a barely conscious McCain to the lake surface and, with the help of a neighbour, dragged him towards the shore.

And when a furious mob at the water's edge began to beat and stab the captured pilot, Mr On drove them back.


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Vietnam (Sep. 26, 2002) -- Capt. Doan Duc Dau and Capt. Richard Gonzalez exchange plaques to celebrate the continued partnership between the Naval Regional Contracting Center and Northern Service Flight Company of Vietnam. The company has supported the efforts of the United States for the last ten years to account for prisoners of war and those missing in action.
 
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A naval mine explodes in Haiphong Harbor on 9 March 1973 during Operation End Sweep, photographed by the automatic mine locator camera aboard an American CH-53A Sea Stallion helicopter. It is believed to be the only explosion of a mine during End Sweep. The Mark 105 hydrofoil minesweeping sled the helicopter is towing is at right.
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This must be a big surprise to American. Because Vietnamese has ability to clear most of naval mines before with limited equipment and old ships, while American prepared and proceed this operation for several months with full ships and helicopters of Task Force 78 to be able to sweep all area @SvenSvensonov @KAL-EL
 
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