First of all sorry for my harsh tone ,
It was unusual, but I do make allowances for the occasional flash of temper.
actually what happened on 5th August in Kashmir and afterwards affected me as well.
I look forward to learning why. John Donne, asking us not to ask for whom the bell tolls, is rather too broad in stroke for any sensible conversation, and you cannot have wanted that.
If it is any consolation, I am terribly hostile to the actions that were taken. Although Article 370 SHOULD have been removed long ago, the way it was done was grossly illegal, and I object to that railroading action. Article 35A? A stupid thing to remove it; the same law, in almost identical form, is applied in half a dozen other states. This was a blatant picking of a fight.
On top of that CAA and NRC served as a icing on a cake.
No doubt you have some reason to believe that I need persuasion that these are bad things?
I am secular but not a agnostic or atheist ,the reality is I belong to a Muslim community and how does that anti Muslim campaigns of RSS and BJP shouldn't affect me is beyond me.
We can differ on that. To be honest, the display of emotion on behalf of co-religionists by anyone, anywhere, does not particularly engage my attention. Your sentence above and the sentiments within I note with some clinical detachment. It is not for me to comment on your propensity to be worked up by these matters.
Infact regardless of any religious association it should affect any good human being who has some moral values and principles.
This would have resonated strongly with me, if it had not been preceded by the reality expressed earlier, of belonging to a Muslim community.
A small quibble: it affects my sense of propriety, and offends my personal commitment to the rule of law and to constitutional equity. My objections are not of a moral nature; that seems to be somewhat overblown. We need not belt out every emotion at full pitch; there are milder reactions available.
I would have reacted similarly if some other religious community was targeted in a similar fashion. I believe you are good man and I am hundred percent sure you know what you are doing in Kashmir is very very wrong.
"....what
you are doing...."?
I am very sorry, but do I have to beat people around the head with a shilellagh to remind them how bitterly I am opposed, and have been opposed from the day I joined this forum? Is there some mistake of identity, perhaps? You do remember what I have said, and maintained, in every single post that I have made that is germane, since 2009?
You accept it or not here is another matter.
<sigh!>
And another straw man bites the dust.
You are secular but I don't know from what religious community you belong ,
All you needed to do was to ask; there is absolutely no reason to be coy. I am a Bengali Hindu, of the Shakta branch of Hinduism.
if today a environment in India prevails which alienate and pushes your community to the wall ,your survival instinct will kick in and your community will prevail over your secularism.
If I comment on this, the scoundrels who are bhakts will immediately get ammunition. However, I do wish to suggest to you that extrapolating your strong belief in a particular system of faith onto another totally unknown individual, irrespective of his (or her) own beliefs, is a little unsound.
Thats exactly what happened with MA Jinnah who was a secular ambassador of Hindu Muslim unity his whole life.
I could not disagree more.
The current political and social environment in India is inviting another partition ,hindu political leadership is repeating the same mistake.
I know that these situations lend themselves to selective viewing of events, but until recently, the gloom was pervasive. Now, for the first time in months, even years, I am slightly hopeful.
It is interesting to hear that these buffoons are being described as 'hindu political leadership'.
As far as Kashmir is concerned I was not expecting that from a sane person like you. Since fifth August you are not able to lift a curfew, communication of all sorts still blocked ,anti indian public sentiment is stronger than ever before in the valley and the whole population is in a protest mode with no business,office work and and school attendance .
You know because you have heard personally? What beliefs I hold I draw from direct conversations with my own circles of friends and acquaintances. It is amazing how every single Pakistani citizen assumes that he (or she) has a hotline to the sentiments of every single Kashmiri. I join my friends in despising the actions taken. The rest is wishful thinking; the word 'schadenfreude' intrudes itself into one's thoughts.
If all that doesn't meet a criteria of a uprising what else does?Or do you have another definition of a uprising ? Are you able to bring any normalcy in Kashmir or able to digest the bitter pill you swallowed on fifth August? The Kashmir issue has brought to UN security council three times since 1965 and never ever before there was US congressional hearings on Kashmir issue. Has that happened before in the past 70 years??
Did that quiescence in the last 70 years stop anyone from your country from proclaiming the imminent breakaway of the region? You do get the point, I hope.
If you think you are a civilized responsible nation and a aspiring world's biggest democracy and next super power then please try to solve the kashmir issue according to the UN resolutions.
If you have any pretensions to observance of law and treaty, please remind yourself firmly that the UN is no longer a party, and that your country formally agreed to this.
What India did in Kashmir is an act of war and in such a short time you can see it's negative affects in all over India and abroad.
An ACT OF WAR? Seriously? I am sorry but your feelings have carried you beyond rationality.
You will remember, won't you, an abiding article of the principles of Equity, that a suitor must approach a court with clean hands? Under the historical circumstances, that statement rings hollow.
I am a firm believer of live and let others live.
Noted, and appreciated.
The indian subcontinent equally belongs to all of us ,it's not a land of hindus only.
It emphatically does not.
One country here chose, of its own accord, that their portions belong exclusively to one community. Others chose differently. India chose to declare that its entire mass, after the exit of those seeking exclusivity, belongs to all creeds. That belief cannot be extrapolated. That is not Pakistan's belief; that is not Bangladesh' belief, and that is not Sri Lanka's belief. It does happen to be what Bhutan (with qualifications) and Nepal believe in. I do not count the Maldives; they are somewhat distinct.
NO land declared that it was for Hindus only. Two countries declared for Islam - exclusively - one that it was for Buddhism, exclusively.
India was never that much weaker in the past 70 years ,it's the most sensitive time in your history . Because the first time you yourself challenged your secularism and diversity,the two pillars on which your foundation is based.
I could not agree more, and I cannot help pointing out that you are contradicting your own previous sentence, the one immediately above, about who sought what.
As said earlier in my previous conversations with you I wish the best for your country but if you people are determined in digging your own grave and support every wrong decision of your incumbent government I can do nothing and you should better know in which direction things are heading in the long run.So please stop being proud, open your eyes before it gets too late.
LOL. There is no pride here, I have nothing to gain by flourishes and vain gestures in this forum, I deal with the matter at hand.
