1965 war: How India almost lost to Pakistan

[graphican]

Bangladesh. Enough said. And tiger hill? hahahaha in lala land PA still holds it.

Now Pakistanis feeling happy cause they got defeated by a bigger army? lol No wonder that lot is one of the happiest people on earth.

Yes Pakistan feels and celebrates our victory against a bigger army. Thank you - you have reached late but you've got the point. So India fought a war against smaller army and suffered twice more losses with Zero gains and yet India is victorious. This is what Indians reality make them see.

I am totally happy with Indian reality.. we don't want to disturb your fairy tale victory so carry on.. cut a cake and tell tales to your children. Perhaps you may want to reverse few battle stories for the sake of being "correct".

I never said that. I don't want to go into circular debates; you lost the war because you failed in your primary objective to annex whole of Kashmir. You won the battle because you stopped Indian advance towards Lahore which was a relieving action by IA.

This is my last post on this topic.

Pakistan failed in getting Kashmir - okay - but India failed in getting anything either. So it looks like a tie doesn't it - BUT check your air-force and artillery losses and compare them with Pakistan's to get a picture if it was tie or victory for Pakistan.

Even if you say it was a tie, it was a tie between 5 times stronger army and 5 times weaker army.. guess who stands proud and who is the winner for real.

 

[me_itsme]

Yes trolling with help you shed shame.. but you'll need lots of it as defeat and absence of reason for Indian victory is not just your problem here.

Haha the only absence of reason an shame of defeat we see here is of Pakistanis. They wanted to take Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore haha. The only person trolling is you giving BS comments like tiger hill is still occupied by PA. PA was the aggressor in almost every war and still lost all war except for winning a few battles. Eve though India was weak in 65 aft the adventure of 62 still, PA did not achieve its objectives. 71 India achieved its objective, 84 India achieved its objective, 99 India achieved its objective. Any ways this discussion has been going on forever in this forum, no amount of evidences or will change Pakistan perception because apparently defending Lahore is a victory when the objective was to capture Kashmir.

 

[graphican]

hey.. listen.. no matter how much chest thumping you do.. you are a looser and you know it.

Nobody needs an alternate dimension of history and a whole lot of ifs and buts to define that.

No sir, we are the winner and we knew it since war and we celebrate that day as National Holiday every year. India has only discovered its victory 50 years later. Good on you.

IA opened other theatres only to relieve pressure from Kashmir....but it seems that you people are so badly fed by the propaganda by the military junta that you became resistance to any logical thought...ok answer me something.....the winning side always determine the time of ceasefire and that also in its own terms....thenn why did you accept ceasefire at all at that time?And why couldn't you take out the agreement in your own terms?

You also judge the winner from the time he washes his teeth and by which hand he drinks water. Come on mate, cut his crap.. look at statistics, charts and fact sheets. We are all perfectly capable to do that.

But I also understand why Indians do not touch fact-sheets and war losses for their sense of victory... as there is none and the only "high" they get it from table talk and the way stories are told to you. Go on, buy them and but then do not look at the fact sheets ever as your drams will bust there.

Haha the only absence of reason an shame of defeat we see here is of Pakistanis. They wanted to take Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore haha. The only person trolling is you giving BS comments like tiger hill is still occupied by PA. PA was the aggressor in almost every war and still lost all war except for winning a few battles. Eve though India was weak in 65 aft the adventure of 62 still, PA did not achieve its objectives. 71 India achieved its objective, 84 India achieved its objective, 99 India achieved its objective. Any ways this discussion has been going on forever in this forum, no amount of evidences or will change Pakistan perception because apparently defending Lahore is a victory when the objective was to capture Kashmir.

You are so lost in your emotions that you couldn't read me properly.. Tiger Hills was Kargil not 1965. Now how can I talk to you when you are that lost.. but you never learned about Tiger Hills from Indian resources didn't you?

 

[nForce]

No sir, we are the winner and we knew it since war and we celebrate that day as National Holiday every year. India has only discovered its victory 50 years later. Good on you.

You were celebrating victory even after fall of Dhaka in your news papers. What's new in that ?
That thing you had to correct later because the reality was a bit too much clear.

Sad people, some of you are..instead of growing up, you wanted to become the Mughals and Khiljis and bin-Qasims ...and now you are so desperate to smell victory.

 

[graphican]

You were celebrating victory even after fall of Dhaka in your news papers. What's new in that ?
That thing you had to correct later because the reality was a bit too much clear.

That is stupid.. Pakistan moans the day we lost our western territory. It was a National Loss and is still felt like that. If you are told by some stupid journalist that Pakistanis are celebrating victory than its not all of your fault.

But try to think rationally.. to you Indians many things are concrete facts while there is nothing in substance on ground. Like Hafiz Saeed is responsible for 26/11 while USA is announcing bountry for the provision of evidence against him. He at best is alleged and not convict but Indians wouldn't see it that way ever.

We know we are form enemy countries but lets not rationality be our mutual enemy.

 

[me_itsme]

No sir, we are the winner and we knew it since war and we celebrate that day as National Holiday every year. India has only discovered its victory 50 years later. Good on you.



You also judge the winner from the time he washes his teeth and by which hand he drinks water. Come on mate, cut his crap.. look at statistics, charts and fact sheets. We are all perfectly capable to do that.

But I also understand why Indians do not touch fact-sheets and war losses for their sense of victory... as there is none and the only "high" they get it from table talk and the way stories are told to you. Go on, buy them and but then do not look at the fact sheets ever as your drams will bust there.



You are so lost in your emotions that you couldn't read me properly.. Tiger Hills was Kargil not 1965. Now how can I talk to you when you are that lost.. but you never learned about Tiger Hills from Indian resources didn't you?

The only person lost is you when presented with facts. I am well aware tiger hill is kargil. I was replying to your point about tiger hill is still in PA control. Also you said why India does not have any territory to show for. Plz read on Tashkent agreement. Tell what did Pakistan gain out of 65 war? I just looked up on the losses, neutral source shows our losses are almost the same except in air as IAF flew many sorties.

 

[graphican]

The only person lost is you when presented with facts. I am well aware tiger hill is kargil. I was replying to your point about tiger hill is still in PA control. Also you said why India does not have any territory to show for. Plz read on Tashkent agreement. Tell what did Pakistan gain out of 65 war? I just looked up on the losses, neutral source shows our losses are almost the same except in air as IAF flew many sorties.

Let me go with your theory that losses are "almost the same" - even then Pakistan is victorious as we stood at tie against a 5 times bigger enemy. Now try to spin it so you may get some sense of victory.

 

[ghazi52]

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[Indus Pakistan]

Maybe they figured if we discuss it over and over and over and over you guys might just say you "LOST" just to get it over with buddy!!!

Very funny. The Indian's are the biggest pussies on earth.Nothing but pure pussy. No doubt about it.There they are 1,270, 000,000 of them and after 68 years later they can't slap down a country 7 yes seven times smaller than them. Now what does that tell you? They just dont have the balls period. They can spin, talk big but the sober reality is Pakistan is still annoying them after decades of causing trouble to India,.


Can you imagine any of these countries below on the right doing that to the larger adversery to the left - I have used the same relative ( 6.5 ) differantial between humongous India and tiny Pakistan.

Germany versus tiny Belguim
Russia versus Romania
UK versus Portugal
France versus Belguim

or

USA versus Canada
USA versus Colombia

*List of European countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
*List of Latin American countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China versus India.

Now let us consider how well India did against a country of it's own size, China. If this had been a boxing match it would have been equivalent to two equal heavyweights with India being knocked out for six in one well aimed blow by the Chinese.

Indian's even now quiver in fear if you say "Look out Chineeeeeee"

Ps. I don't blame then bringing up India v Pak match. That is the only time they can brag. Face anybody their own size their gonads retreat into the hangars.

 

[me_itsme]

Let me go with your theory that losses are "almost the same" - even then Pakistan is victorious as we stood at tie against a 5 times bigger enemy. Now try to spin it so you may get some sense of victory.

Oh so winning a war is based on how many losses each side inflicted? Tell that to USSR in WW2. Okay let me come to your perspective itself, India is a big country so our entire 5 times sized army was not deployed during the war, a simple google search would show you the stats. Only our infantry was more than yours, we both had almost the same number of tanks and artillery and in any war the attacking army is bigger than the defending army. When PA attacked our army in that area was outnumbered hence, we had to open new fronts to relieve the pressure. You need to learn basics of warfare before coming here and chest thumping about how PA won. Fact is PA did not achieve its objective but still celebrating victory cause they won a battle, India achieved its objectives hence it is a victory for us.

 

[nForce]

That is stupid.. Pakistan moans the day we lost our western territory. It was a National Loss and is still felt like that. If you are told by some stupid journalist that Pakistanis are celebrating victory than its not all of your fault.

It's you who is chest thumping here celebrating victory. In Indian media, I'm used to seeing a brief reporting on the war when it is that time of the year and then they move on to other far more important things of the day.

But try to think rationally.. to you Indians many things are concrete facts while there is nothing in substance on ground. Like Hafiz Saeed is responsible for 26/11 while USA is announcing bountry for the provision of evidence against him. He at best is alleged and not convict but Indians wouldn't see it that way ever.

We know we are form enemy countries but lets not rationality be our mutual enemy.

bravo, bringing Hafiz Saeed to 1965. You really have a hard time in comprehending chronology, don't you ? Or you see chain of events as one big mass of jelly ?

The enmity is in your mind. I can't even dignify Pakistan as an enemy, for I respect my enemy. You are just a drag, to anything and everything that is positive, any kind of progressive development. There are elements among you, who do nothing good for yourselves, just scheme and plot how to bring down your neighbour, that's what it is, whom are you kiddin' ?

 

[graphican]

It's you who is chest thumping here celebrating victory. In Indian media, I'm used to seeing a brief reporting on the war when it is that time of the year and then they move on to other far more important things of the day.

bravo, bringing Hafiz Saeed to 1965. You really have a hard time in comprehending chronology, don't you ? Or you see chain of events as one big mass of jelly ?

The enmity is in your mind. I can't even dignify Pakistan as an enemy, for I respect my enemy. You are just a drag, to anything and everything that is positive, any kind of progressive development. There are elements among you, who do nothing good for yourselves, just scheme and plot how to bring down your neighbour, that's what it is, whom are you kiddin' ?

Hafiz Saeed was to tell you how emotionally flown you are and how your media portrays a picture different from reality.

Oh so winning a war is based on how many losses each side inflicted? Tell that to USSR in WW2. Okay let me come to your perspective itself, India is a big country so our entire 5 times sized army was not deployed during the war, a simple google search would show you the stats. Only our infantry was more than yours, we both had almost the same number of tanks and artillery and in any war the attacking army is bigger than the defending army. When PA attacked our army in that area was outnumbered hence, we had to open new fronts to relieve the pressure. You need to learn basics of warfare before coming here and chest thumping about how PA won. Fact is PA did not achieve its objective but still celebrating victory cause they won a battle, India achieved its objectives hence it is a victory for us.

Happy to see you defend Indian losses and insist on victory. So India was being beaten as war-losses were mounting but India was only fighting with "one hand" and not using its force for some supernatural reason and only revealed to humanity through your post. Good keep it up.

Only Indian inventory was more than Pakistan and not air-force neither number of soldiers. Seriously?

 

[me_itsme]

Very funny. The Indian's are the biggest pussies on earth.Nothing but pure pussy. No doubt about it.There they are 1,270, 000,000 of them and after 68 years later they can't slap down a country 7 yes seven times smaller than them. Now what does that tell you? They just dont have the balls period. They can spin, talk big but the sober reality is Pakistan is still annoying them after decades of causing trouble to India,.


Can you imagine any of these countries below on the right doing that to the larger adversery to the left - I have used the same relative ( 6.5 ) differantial between humongous India and tiny Pakistan.

Germany versus tiny Belguim
Russia versus Romania
UK versus Portugal
France versus Belguim

or

USA versus Canada
USA versus Colombia

*List of European countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
*List of Latin American countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China versus India.

Now let us consider how well India did against a country of it's own size, China. If this had been a boxing match it would have been equivalent to two equal heavyweights with India being knocked out for six in one well aimed blow by the Chinese.

Indian's even now quiver in fear if you say "Look out Chineeeeeee"

Ps. I don't blame then bringing up India v Pak match. That is the only time they can brag. Face anybody their own size their gonads retreat into the hangars.

May be because we do not want to destroy Pakistan. We lived together for 1000 of years. But we did break you into 2. And China? haha China is far far ahead of us. It is so funny to see Pakistanis even in debate had to drag Chinese in to feel good. Dont you guys ever stand on your own, even in discussions you need to draw Chinese in lol . Oh btw since we are talking about size British a tiny island ruled over both of us. Japan another tiny island ruled over your masters Chinese. If you think Chinese can "easily" take us out I wonder why they dont take AP from us or even help Pakistan during 71, 84, 99. I wonder why sir.

 

[indianBong]

Like "india won", this is another story you are told - but there is a substance in this claim as Kashmir is an territory Pakistan claims and Pakistan must have tried to win it back. Good point that Pakistan didn't get that - cause Pakistan also returned India some other land which it conquered. Some photos for your education are available over here.

ISPR issue 1965 War Hero's Picture. Pakistan Zindabad

Sir, you are posting from ISPR website wheras you tell indian to be biased!!! Is ISPR neutral source????
Questn is what did you win in 1965 war?? No doubt PAF did very well... but overall india had upper hand... but no clear victory at the end due to ceasefire and negotiations.... neutral sources like us congress reports(though usa was close to pak those days) clearly stated indian upper hand in 1965....

 

[me_itsme]

Hafiz Saeed was to tell you how emotionally flown you are and how your media portrays a picture different from reality.



Happy to see you defend Indian losses and insist on victory. So India was being beaten as war-losses were mounting but India was only fighting with "one hand" and not using its force for some supernatural reason and only revealed to humanity through your post. Good keep it up.

Only Indian inventory was more than Pakistan and not air-force neither number of soldiers. Seriously?

Please sir, I suggest you read a neutral source regarding this. Victory is not measured by number of losses. I meant Indian Infantry was more in numbers. I am not sure about the Air force. We had to fight with one hand tied because of the Chinese threat of course.