1965 War Documentary Fath-e-Mobin

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Accident..



I didnt ask who lost what> i asked who lost 110 Jets ? India or Pakistan?



more credible then all rants you ever posted on this forum, again visit that thread and forum..

anyways i am not interested in this dick measuring contest, i was just getting bored so i though it is good time pass, anyways cheers..

What credible It Your Post Propaganda Articles And Blogs Rather Neutral Assessment You Posted Zero Facts

With Zero Evidence Because You don't have it Pakistan Never Accepted that Kargil was Captured by It Forces officialy


Over 1,840 km2 (710 mi2) of territory lost Still Crying Over Hollow Victory

Where was you air force At Longewala when IAF Busted your Armour Into Pieces
Tank tracks at Longewala. Photographic reconnaissance image taken at the time showing the desperate last minute manoeuvres by Pakistani tanks in the Longewala sector. Circles show destroyed Pakistani tanks

 

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What credible It Your Post Propaganda Articles And Blogs Rather Neutral Assessment You Posted Zero Facts

With Zero Evidence Because You don't have it Pakistan Never Accepted that Kargil was Captured by It Forces officialy


Over 1,840 km2 (710 mi2) of territory lost Still Crying Over Hollow Victory

Where was you air force At Longewala when IAF Busted your Armour Into Pieces
Tank tracks at Longewala. Photographic reconnaissance image taken at the time showing the desperate last minute manoeuvres by Pakistani tanks in the Longewala sector. Circles show destroyed Pakistani tanks

are you retard or something else.. dont quote me in this thread.. yeah you won against 1000 times more powerful Pakistan.. now mojaan mar..

 

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re you retard or something else.. dont quote me in this thread.. yeah you won against 1000 times more powerful Pakistan.. now mojaan mar..

Sirji You Negtive Rating gives you Impression

 

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Sirji You Negtive Rating gives you Impression

i got too many ratings in one fight just yesterday Joe rated me for saying Afghan member (your hindu masters)..

 

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Yeah i got too many ratings in one fight justt yesterday joe rated me for saying Afghan member (your hindu masters)..

Im Christian

 

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Im Christian

I said that to Afghan member, not to you..

 

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Here's an excellent interview form the BBC conversing with PAF pilots during the war. Note how Indians claim to have shot many of them down.

The ground reality was that Pakistan was winning the war and would have eventually taken Srinagar if it wasn't for India crossing international borders to escalate things. In which they were repelled after that too and that too caught Pakistan off guard.

 

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Here's an excellent interview form the BBC conversing with PAF pilots during the war. Note how Indians claim to have shot many of them down.

The ground reality was that Pakistan was winning the war and would have eventually taken Srinagar if it wasn't for India crossing international borders to escalate things. In which they were repelled after that too and that too caught Pakistan off guard.

Here's an excellent interview form the BBC conversing with PAF pilots during the war. Note how Indians claim to have shot many of them down.

The ground reality was that Pakistan was winning the war and would have eventually taken Srinagar if it wasn't for India crossing international borders to escalate things. In which they were repelled after that too and that too caught Pakistan off guard.

Asghar Khan (first native Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force) explaining the lesser-known facts of the 1965 India-Pakistan war. at the credentials of this guy - recipient of 'Hilal-i-Pakistan' and 'Hilal-i-Quaid-i-Azam' , that he had the integrity relinquish. Only because of Asghar Khans modernisation drive of PAF, can PAF now boast of some successes in 1965. And then making PIA one of the best in the world.

 

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Asghar Khan (first native Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force) explaining the lesser-known facts of the 1965 India-Pakistan war. at the credentials of this guy - recipient of 'Hilal-i-Pakistan' and 'Hilal-i-Quaid-i-Azam' , that he had the integrity relinquish. Only because of Asghar Khans modernisation drive of PAF, can PAF now boast of some successes in 1965. And then making PIA one of the best in the world.

Lol I can post Indian generals about Kargil and it wouldn't be any different. Everybody wants and has a modernization drive. The reality was different. Nur Khan was the CAS at the time any way

 

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Lol I can post Indian generals about Kargil and it wouldn't be any different. Everybody wants and has a modernization drive. The reality was different. Nur Khan was the CAS at the time any way

Question What use airforce if they can't Win War
Even in 1965 Pakistan Air Force can't prevent indian forces from capturing PAF territory in Lahore Front

Biggest example is
Battle of Burki in lahore Front Even with Air-support of 10 F-86 Sabre PA can't able two prevent Indian Advances
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Burki
Although Pakistan Army fought Bravely
Credit

Major Raja Aziz Bhatti Nishan-e-Haider
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raja_Aziz_Bhatti

 

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Question What use airforce if they can't Win War
Even in 1965 Pakistan Air Force can't prevent indian forces from capturing PAF territory in Lahore Front

Biggest example is
Battle of Burki in lahore Front Even with Air-support of 10 F-86 Sabre PA can't able two prevent Indian Advances
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Burki
Although Pakistan Army fought Bravely
Credit
Major Raja Aziz Bhatti Nishan-e-Haider
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raja_Aziz_Bhatti

If i had not mentioned before the military was completley suprised. No one was ready for this attack so it was obvious that there was land going to be lost. The use of fighters against ground troops instead of bombers, and the use of mounted machine guns and ground strafing instead of bombs and missiles, meant that little was achieved through air support.But that still did not help the indins from taking 1 inch of lahore yet india almost lost amritsar even with the odds against PA. Action without detailed planning is fatal. Yet we recovered. The fact that India needed to use an all out assault is evidence of it's struggle in Kashmir. They needed to stretch the already tiny Pakistan army somehow.

The first border village across wahga..

and than this happened:

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

 

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If i had not mentioned before the military was completley suprised. No one was ready for this attack so it was obvious that there was land going to be lost. The use of fighters against ground troops instead of bombers, and the use of mounted machine guns and ground strafing instead of bombs and missiles, meant that little was achieved through air support.But that still did not help the indins from taking 1 inch of lahore yet india almost lost amritsar even with the odds against PA. Action without detailed planning is fatal. Yet we recovered. The fact that India needed to use an all out assault is evidence of it's struggle in Kashmir. They needed to stretch the already tiny Pakistan army somehow.

The first border village across wahga..

and than this happened:




1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

I Can Post Many Pictures of 1965 War You Know Many Stories With hard Evidence
Even cowardice But I Not Stoop It to youe level

Do you know How many Territory Lost before Indian Advances Halt and chawinda
Over 1,840 km2 (710 mi2) of territory lost Still Crying Over Hollow Victory

A Folland Gnat fighter with a Mystere IVa. Mysteres escorted by Gnats wreaked havoc on the Pakistani army formations in Chamb. These particular aircraft are from Adampur.

Sialkot Sector
Chief Minister Ram Kishan of Punjab inspecting a Pak Army Patton captured intact in Pakistan's Sialkot sector.

Farmers wade through a field, filled with abandoned Pak Army tanks. The Pakistan Army lost many tanks this way, when they attempted to cross the muddy wheat fields of Punjab.

Phillora Sector
A knocked out Pak Army tank in the Phillora Sector in Pakistan, being inspected by Indian Jawans.
Battle of Phillora

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Phillora

Dograi, Lahore
Concrete pill boxes in Dograi, Lahore proved to be a tough nut to crack, as they even withstood artillery shelling! These formidable defences were finally captured in hand-to-hand combat by the 3 Jat.

Dograi village on the Ichhogil Canal, Lahore with their booty of Pakistani ammunition and armour seized in a battle.

 

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Jallo Mar
Indian troops are seen here keeping watch over the Ichhogil Canal at Jallo Mar.

Pill Box
An Indian soldier stands alone atop a Pakistani pill box in the Kalra sector. Pill-boxes formed part of Pakistan's formidable defences and many Indian troops gallantly lost their lives trying to take these defences out.

This is Brigadier Niranjan Singh
Brigadier Niranjan Singh shows the false outer wall of one of the pill boxes captured in the Battle of Dograi.

Lahore Sector
The superiority of Pakistan's western aid armament could not match the skill & valour of the Indian jawans. In this image the bodies of Pak Army soldiers lie in front of a captured Pakistani Sherman tank.

A group of Pakistan Army prisoners in Indian hands following an encounter in the Lahore sector.

 

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I Can Post Many Pictures of 1965 War You Know Many Stories With hard Evidence
Even cowardice But I Not Stoop It to youe level

Do you know How many Territory Lost before Indian Advances Halt and chawinda
Over 1,840 km2 (710 mi2) of territory lost Still Crying Over Hollow Victory

A Folland Gnat fighter with a Mystere IVa. Mysteres escorted by Gnats wreaked havoc on the Pakistani army formations in Chamb. These particular aircraft are from Adampur.

Sialkot Sector
Chief Minister Ram Kishan of Punjab inspecting a Pak Army Patton captured intact in Pakistan's Sialkot sector.

Farmers wade through a field, filled with abandoned Pak Army tanks. The Pakistan Army lost many tanks this way, when they attempted to cross the muddy wheat fields of Punjab.

Phillora Sector
A knocked out Pak Army tank in the Phillora Sector in Pakistan, being inspected by Indian Jawans.
Battle of Phillora

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Phillora

Dograi, Lahore
Concrete pill boxes in Dograi, Lahore proved to be a tough nut to crack, as they even withstood artillery shelling! These formidable defences were finally captured in hand-to-hand combat by the 3 Jat.

Dograi village on the Ichhogil Canal, Lahore with their booty of Pakistani ammunition and armour seized in a battle.

You know we can do this all day and I can post similar pics. Till next 6 September we'll continue this discussion.

 

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India actually attacked Pakistan almost 2 weeks after Gibraltar, and never said they attacked Pakistan for that reason at the time. There was almost 2 weeks of peace, but out of the blue they declared war. Very strange behaviour if you ask me.

The interesting thing in the war was that whenever Pakistani soldiers captured Indian weapons and ammo, they used it against them. For infantry units, MG ammo, barrels and belts, mortar ammo and ammo for small calibre weapons.

The supplied ammo in some Pakistani units was just enough for a ten days war, especially artillery units. Most of the time, captured ammo from indians of same calibre gun as used against indians.
To conserve the ammo in Air defence units, the belt was 50% loaded with bullets, keeping one space vacant after loading each bullet. Even then AD units scored hits against IAF aircrafts.
Captured Indian trucks were helpful in fulfilling mobility needs and captured or destroyed Indian tanks sometimes fulfilled fuel requirements.

For Pakistani forces, it was mostly facing an enemy with strength sometimes upto 5 times larger than own. Pakistani Company faced Indian battalions, battalions faced Brigades, Brigades faced divisions.
This made Pakistani soldiers more tenacious in defending homeland against the cowardly attack at night by Indians.

That's were you Wrong Read
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chawinda

Pakistan Lost more than Over 518 km2 (218 mi2) of territory lost Before Halt At Chawinda ,Lahore

Wrong.
Pakistan got its territory back.

Read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashkent_Declaration

The Tashkent conference, under United Nations, American and Soviet pressure, compelled India to give away the conquered region in Pakistan and the 1949 ceasefire line in Kashmir.

India Failed to grab anything.