1960: first made Egyptian fighter aircrafts and their engines

[Penguin]

If anything the delta Helwan looks more like mirage than a JF.

Mirage F1

Mirage F1 itself a parallel design.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not sure if you are a false flagged or just ignorant.

I'd like an IP check.. @Irfan Baloch @Oscar. @Icarus. @waz.

bit of both maybe the check is inconclusive
but looking at the posts count and direct interest with certain verdict spells like Bull's crap

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Both design were sold by Russia no doubt they may have provided some blue prints for JF-17 along with engine.

Marut was designed by a German working for Indian Govt, not soviets. Lots of Germans were working in India those days particularly 2 decades after WW2.

 

[Gomig-21]

A supersonic interceptor fighter aircraft with Egyptian design and production, 3 aircrafts were produced as research models and the model was successfully tested.
The aircraft was using the E-300 Egyptian engine, which was tried in 1964 and achieved great success..
It was a fighter aircraft capable of intercepting other fighters, armed with two missiles for confrontation, and even capable of carrying a tactical-nuclear missile.
The big achievement was that the Cairo 300 was very stable and had precise control.

HA-300 - 300-القاهره
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The Egyptian engine E-300, which was produced for the Egyptian fighter CAIRO-300, 18 of it were produced.. the first experiment of the engine on the ground was in July 1963 and his first flight was on March 7 of 1964 on the third model of Cairo-300, where he was able to reach to a speed of 1.2 Mach..
- General specifications: -
- Length: - 4.3 meters
- Diameter: - 0.84 m
- Weight: - 860 kg
- propulsion: - 32.4 KN dry and 47.2KN with after burner

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HA-300
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HA-200 : The first Egyptian jet aircraft (1962)
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There were actually 3 prototypes, two of which are included in your set of pics. The one with the open air intake is the most commonly seen one, the one with the air cone at the intake in your set of pics and this one with an extravagant, retracting cone intake which "allegedly" was to attain close to mach-2 with a supplemented version of the E-200 engine.

Whether that's true or not is not known (I think it's a bit too optimistic), but it's a shame that Egypt got mired in military unpreparedness in 1967, thanks to Nasser's "loyal" appointments to critical military posts and not by merit. If he was bold enough to close off Bab El Mandeb and send a few tanks and troops to the Israeli border, he should've had people who were aware that moves like that could trigger a possible surprise attack, especially when it was done just 10 years prior. Basic military strategy. The incompetence was an epic embarrassment, no ifs and or buts about it. Nasser did some great things, but I also hold him completely responsible for putting Egypt in a despicable quagmire that has disrupted its development and regional standing for many decades. Had that war been averted or properly defended, like it could have and should have, this project would've led to many others and who knows what kind of aviation industry would've been present in Egypt today. Shame.

 

[The SC]

There were actually 3 prototypes, two of which are included in your set of pics. The one with the open air intake is the most commonly seen one, the one with the air cone at the intake in your set of pics and this one with an extravagant, retracting cone intake which "allegedly" was to attain close to mach-2 with a supplemented version of the E-200 engine.

Whether that's true or not is not known (I think it's a bit too optimistic), but it's a shame that Egypt got mired in military unpreparedness in 1967, thanks to Nasser's "loyal" appointments to critical military posts and not by merit. If he was bold enough to close off Bab El Mandeb and send a few tanks and troops to the Israeli border, he should've had people who were aware that moves like that could trigger a possible surprise attack, especially when it was done just 10 years prior. Basic military strategy. The incompetence was an epic embarrassment, no ifs and or buts about it. Nasser did some great things, but I also hold him completely responsible for putting Egypt in a despicable quagmire that has disrupted its development and regional standing for many decades. Had that war been averted or properly defended, like it could have and should have, this project would've led to many others and who knows what kind of aviation industry would've been present in Egypt today. Shame.

More so, as you know, the Egyptian military industries started in the 50s, than came the French-British-Usraeli attack in 1956, after that it was restarted in the 60s and than came the 1967 Usraeli attack, and it was still restarted in the 70s but this plane in particular was a big competition to the Mig-21 and the Russians openly blackmailed Egypt to stop the program or there will be no Russian military supplies, and since they were cheaper Sadat accepted that..This fighter plane was ahead of its time and would have been sold to most of the non-alined countries in the world which was a Russian market..
Too bad, Nasser could have attacked first, but then, there was this Eisenhower ultimatum to both Egypt and Usrael that the one who will start the war will bear the consequences.. Nasser complied and we know the rest of the story..

 

[Gomig-21]

More so, as you know, the Egyptian military industries started in the 50s, than came the French-British-Usraeli attack in 1956, after that it was restarted in the 60s and than came the 1967 Usraeli attack, and it was still restarted in the 70s but this plane in particular was a big competition to the Mig-21 and the Russians openly blackmailed Egypt to stop the program or there will be no Russian military supplies, and since they were cheaper Sadat accepted that..This fighter plane was ahead of its time and would have been sold to most of the non-alined countries in the world which was a Russian market..
Too bad, Nasser could have attacked first, but then, there was this Eisenhower ultimatum to both Egypt and Usrael that the one who will start the war will bear the consequences.. Nasser complied and we know the rest of the story..

I think by then, Eisenhower's warnings were somewhat moot since quite a bit of time had elapsed and so much had gone on in the US with Kennedy's presidency and assassination and Lyndon Johnson's appointment and Vietnam etc. Nasser even said that the armored divisions he sent to Sinai were in a defensive stance and not in poise for an attack on Israel. The US even said Egypt wasn't in a position to attack, but the fact that Nasser closed the Straits of Tiran and was told by the Russians that the Israelis were amassing troops at the Golan and could be ready to attack Egypt as well, then sends 7 divisions to create a defensive line and still gets caught the way he did was a complete disaster. They had all the signs and should've been much better prepared The next 20-30 years became an obsession of dealing with Sinai and the after effects of peace. Despite all that, there still could've been military development on a much greater scale, but it never took off like it could have.

 

[The SC]

I think by then, Eisenhower's warnings were somewhat moot since quite a bit of time had elapsed and so much had gone on in the US with Kennedy's presidency and assassination and Lyndon Johnson's appointment and Vietnam etc. Nasser even said that the armored divisions he sent to Sinai were in a defensive stance and not in poise for an attack on Israel. The US even said Egypt wasn't in a position to attack, but the fact that Nasser closed the Straits of Tiran and was told by the Russians that the Israelis were amassing troops at the Golan and could be ready to attack Egypt as well, then sends 7 divisions to create a defensive line and still gets caught the way he did was a complete disaster. They had all the signs and should've been much better prepared The next 20-30 years became an obsession of dealing with Sinai and the after effects of peace. Despite all that, there still could've been military development on a much greater scale, but it never took off like it could have.

Nasser & Co never thought the attack will come from the air.. they have anticipated a land attack, that was the cause of their failure.. Great general prepare for all possibilities and do not get surprised.. add to it the intelligence failure as Egypt was penetrated to the core of its ranking Generals.. the minister of Defence was married to a "Cabaret dancer"..I hope you can find this book about the 1967 war:"Al mar'a Alati Hakamat Misr".. and it was not this dancer.. it was an Usraeli agent with Western and Arab credentials..Extremely good read, very comprehensive..

 

[Gomig-21]

Nasser & Co never thought the attack will come from the air.. they have anticipated a land attack, that was the cause of their failure.. Great general prepare for all possibilities and do not get surprised..

That's the bottom line, you're exactly right. There is no such thing as "we won't anticipate an air attack." That was part of the appalling intelligence failure on the part of Nasser's command. And also the drawbacks of having the president be on the forefront of military decision making, when he basically is a 0, militarily speaking. He might've been a great political leader, but even at that he failed immensely since he didn't have the wherewithal to appoint qualified personnel to critical posts, especially minister of defense, who's incompetence was, shamefully enough, the primary reason for Israel's easy aerial penetration into Egypt, beyond Sinai that ended in the devastating destruction of the aircraft on the ground. The morning of the attack, he was scheduled to fly to Sinai to visit some of the outpost and ground control ordered all radars turned off so they wouldn't mistake his aircraft for an enemy one. How ridiculous is that? Not to mention that the flight was mostly vectoring eastward, meaning that, in of itself, couldn't be an enemy aircraft! And when he was to return westward, all they had to do was notify the air defenses and the units they were worried about shooting his plane down that it would be coming back and not to mistake it for the enemy. Instead, they turned off ALL the radars to protect this guy from themselves! I cringe every time this comes up. The Israelis couldn't believe how they flew unnoticed all the way to all the airports. Talk about a historic, military failure of epic proportions. He didn't have the guts to think the defense of the country was more important that his measly self and made sure something as important as the radars should be kept on at all times, especially considering things were getting very hot and Egypt and Israel were in a defacto state of war at the time. Imagine if they had actually been prepared, like NORMAL militaries would be, that also happen to be run by competent superiors and they actually were able to defend the airports and prevented the Israelis from enjoying complete air supremacy? Not only would it not have been 6 days, it would've possibly dragged on a lot longer and the outcome might have actually favored Egypt.

add to it the intelligence failure as Egypt was penetrated to the core of its ranking Generals..

And not only intelligence failures, but the Soviets misleading Nasser when they assured him Israel wouldn't attack and told him not to attack first.

Another failure (due to Egyptian incompetence) was the great coded warning system that Egypt had with Jordan, where the latter would notify the former of an attack from the air if they saw Israeli jets heading that way and the Egyptians changed the code (3enab) a day or two prior without informing the Jordanians! How careless can you be? And when the Jordanians transmitted "Grapes," it was misunderstood since it wasn't the new coded word so it was never applied! Unbelievable. To think that, alone, a simple word could've possibly changed the outcome of that war and the history of that region and all due to Egyptian systemic and colossal failures on all military and strategic levels.

the minister of Defence was married to a "Cabaret dancer"..

And he was an unworthy individual, from a military standpoint.

I hope you can find this book about the 1967 war:"Al mar'a Alati Hakamt Misr".. and it was not this dancer.. it was an Usraeli agent with Western and Arab credentials..Extremely good read, very comprehensive..

More like Al mar'a alati bawazet Misr! I'll look for it, thx.

 

[The SC]

 

[The SC]

There was also a version of the E-300 engine that would have been dedicated to a civilian aircraft production project

The project was first unveiled at the Torino exhibition in 1968. The Egyptian General Authority for Aviation (EADA) presented a sample of a local project under study called 206 for the production of a short-range passenger plane that accommodates 90 passengers.

The plane was to use 3 E-300C engines and each engine's thrust = 31.14kN

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1968/1968 - 0947.htm

 

[Mhmoud]

It just pains me to see what we have done in the past and what we could have become.

 

[The SC]

It just pains me to see what we have done in the past and what we could have become.

A bit sad indeed, but it is never too late, when the will is there.. these were solid foundations anyway..That R&D just has to be modernized..

 

[Mhmoud]

A bit sad indeed, but it is never too late, when the will is there.. these were solid foundations anyway..That R&D just has to be modernized..

#MakeArabiaGreatAgain
Judging by our online footprint, it is safe to say that we are dead set on bringing these times back. In the past people used to work for oil or stay in their home countries. Many have also gone to Europe and America. So far, I have only met one person out of hundreds who has Arabic descent and does not speak the language.
In sha Allah, when many of us graduate from University, a great chunk will return home, where we will work to bring this dream to reality.

 

[Armchair-General]

#MakeArabiaGreatAgain
Judging by our online footprint, it is safe to say that we are dead set on bringing these times back. In the past people used to work for oil or stay in their home countries. Many have also gone to Europe and America. So far, I have only met one person out of hundreds who has Arabic descent and does not speak the language.
In sha Allah, when many of us graduate from University, a great chunk will return home, where we will work to bring this dream to reality.

BEST OF LUCK HOPE WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGE

 

[The SC]

Egypt Defense Industry (60s-90s period article)

Egypt is the most important manufacturer of weapons and military components among the Arab countries. State-owned enterprises, under control of the Armament Authority headed by a major general, were the main domestic producers of Egypt's defense systems. The Armament Authority was responsible for selecting, developing, and procuring military systems. Acting on behalf of the military's branches, the authority assigned production to domestic factories or contracted with external suppliers.

As early as 1949, Egypt unveiled plans to develop its own aircraft and armaments industry with the industrial base that emerged during World War II when British and American forces placed orders for equipment. Egypt entered into a number of joint venture projects to produce European-designed aircraft. The most successful of these led to the Jumhuriya basic flight trainer, of which about 200 were eventually made. In 1962 Egypt undertook a major program with the help of West German technicians to design and build a supersonic jet fighter, but the government terminated the project because of financial strains caused by the June 1967 War. In a separate program assisted by West German scientists and technicians, the air force built prototypes of three SSM designs. These designs, however, were never put into operational use.

During the 1970s and 1980s, Egypt expanded and diversified its production of arms to achieve partial self-sufficiency and to develop an export market in the Middle East and Africa. In addition to manufacturing small arms and ammunition, Egypt had begun producing or assembling more advanced weapons systems through licensing and joint venture agreements with companies based in the United States and Western Europe. Egyptian technicians and scientists developed several indigenous weapons systems.

The National Organization for Military Production within the Ministry of Military Production supervises a number of manufacturing plants, which were usually named after their location. These plants included the Abu Zaabal Company for Engineering Industries, which produced artillery pieces and barrels; the Abu Zaabal Tank Repair Factory, which overhauled and repaired tanks and would eventually become the producer of Egypt's main battle tank; the Al Maadi Company for Engineering Industries, which produced light weapons, including the Egyptian version of the Soviet AK-47 assault rifle; the Hulwan Company for Machine Tools, which produced mortars and rocket launchers; the Hulwan Company for Engineering Industries, which produced metal parts for ammunition, shells, bombs, and rockets; the Heliopolis Company for Chemical Industries, which produced artillery ordnance, bombs, and missile warheads; and the Banha Company for Electronic Industries, which produced communications devices.

As of 1990, Egypt did not manufacture its own aircraft, but it assembled Tucano primary trainers from Brazil, Chenyang fighters from China, and Alpha Jet trainers designed in France and West Germany. Egyptian technicians had also reverse engineered and modified two Soviet SAMs--the Ayn as Saqr (a version of the SA-7) and the Tayir as Sabah (a version of the SA-2). Egyptian shipyards had produced eight fast attack naval craft fitted with British armaments and electronics.

The only armored vehicle in production was the Fahd four-wheeled APC, although the United States and Egypt planned to coproduce 540 Abrams M1A1 main battle tanks over a ten-year period beginning in 1991. The project would be funded largely through United States military aid; the United States would also supply the engines and fire control systems. According to some reports, Egypt was reconsidering the project because of its high cost. But as of late 1989, Egypt appeared to be going forward with the plan.

In September 1989, Egypt dropped out of the Condor II project, cosponsored with Argentina and Iraq, to develop an intermediate-rage (800-kilometer) SSM. Earlier that year, officials in the United States had arrested several persons, including two military officers attached several persons, including two military officers attached to the Embassy of Egypt in Washington, in connection with the illegal export of missile technology and materials needed to produce rocket fuel and nose cones.

In March 1989, United States and Swiss officials claimed that Egypt had imported from Switzerland the main elements of a plant capable of manufacturing poison gas. Mubarak denied that Egypt had either the facilities or the plans for producing chemical weapons.
The main purchaser of Egyptian defense products had been Iraq. In the early 1980s, Iraq was desperate to replace Soviet military equipment lost during the early stages of the war with Iran. Iraq blunted Iranian attacks with the Saqr 18, the Egyptian version of the Soviet BM-21 122mm multiple rocket launcher.
Egypt sold a smaller volume of weapons to Kuwait and other Persian Gulf states. In 1988 Kuwait was reported to have ordered about 100 Fahd armored personnel carriers; Oman and Sudan ordered smaller quantities of these carriers. Because Egypt considered the value of its military exports confidential, it omitted this information from its published trade statistics. According to ACDA, Egypt exported US$340 million worth of military equipment in 1982, declining to an average of US$70 million annually in the years from 1985 to 1987. The ACDA data was considered conservative. Other estimates have placed Egyptian defense exports as high as US$1 billion in 1982 and US$500 million annually in 1983 and 1984, when deliveries to Iraq were at their peak.

U.S. military aid finances most of Egypt's big-ticket defense procurements--$1.3 billion annually for several years. Large projects underway include the M1A1 Abrams tank manufacturing facility, M88A2 coproduction program, IFF, the HAWK rebuild program, and Peace Vector V. Such projects can be expected to continue, although improvements to and maintenance of existing force capabilities are perhaps more likely targets of future spending than entirely new systems.

Military production plants are not scheduled for privatization and are unlikely to be sold. Twenty--six of these plants produce both military and civilian goods, and many managers of these plants are interested in licensing arrangements with foreign firms to enhance their production mix and improve quality.

Examples of civilian products currently manufactured at 26 of Egypt's military factories include: medical and diagnostic equipment; domestic appliances; fire extinguishers; ammunition; machine shop equipment such as lathes, drills, and grinders; generating and welding sets; electric motors; television receivers; computers; batteries; electric and water meters; agricultural machines; kitchen equipment; mobile water purifiers; circuit boards; calibration equipment; Chrysler Jeep-brand vehicles; laser alignment instruments; and microscopes.

Military goods produced in Egypt include: small caliber and heavy ammunition, mortars, mines, grenades and other explosives, antitank rockets, rocket motors, radars and electronic equipment, smoke and pyrotechnic devices, rifles, pistols (Beretta licensee) and machine guns, jet trainer aircraft (Alpha and Tucano), armored personnel carriers, Alpha jet engines, field and aircraft communications equipment, Gazelle helicopters and engines, gyroscopes, weapon sights, binoculars, periscopes, tanks, MLRs, and artillery pieces.


https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/egypt/industry.htm