19 true things US generals can't say in public about the Afghan war

[VelocuR]

Taliban is not the US's enemy: Biden - The Times of India

WASHINGTON: The United States has said that Taliban is not an enemy of America, a move seen as the latest effort of the Obama administration to send an olive branch to the terrorist outfit that ruled Afghanistan before 9/11.

"Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy. That's critical," US Vice-President Joe Biden said in an interview to the Newsweek magazine.

 

[Vinod2070]

At which point your 'anti-Pakistan prejudice' takes over ...

Or could it just be a possibility that your trolling and the "force of habit" makes you post stuff....

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Any outsider fighting an occupation force inside disputed J&K is not automatically a 'terrorist' - the IA is an 'outside occupation force' as well, so your argument of 'outsider' would also apply to the Indian Army being called 'terrorists'.

Again, the option to retract/delete your comments is available. And no, there was nothing 'foul' in my response to Vinod - the Indian Army has indeed 'raped and murdered innocent men, women and children' in disputed J&K.

Beyond that there is nothing more to add - the choice is of retracting your earlier comments or getting back on topic.

Cheers.

There is no 'false propaganda' in what I stated - that Indian Army soldiers and other Indian security forces have engaged in the mass murder and rape of innocent men, women and children in disputed J&K has been corroborated by various independent organizations, and there are multiple threads in the Kashmir War section on those atrocities. The only propaganda here is the denial and degenerate excuse of 'the Indian Army soldiers are raping their own family so its alright' excuses trotted out by the you Karan and Foxbat.

Then you certainly condemn the 'rape and murder of men, women and children', as documented by various organizations, by the Indian Army, don't you?


The mass graves also include innocent men, women and children massacred by the Indian security forces.


The only farce here is the defence of 'rape and murder of innocents' by the Indian Army, by the Indians commenting on this thread.

I see that you have worked yourself up in a lather.

I won't try to undo the impact made by watching all those "Kashmir diary" for years on an impressionable young mind.

I can imagine what impact that lady's voice would have on Pakistani minds. Just the right amount of drama, tragedy, the right tone.

She did her job well. You among many are a living proof.

And no amount of facts can change it.

BTW, however much you chant "disputed", the IA will keep on making sure that the terrorists coming from your side have a lifespan less than that of a fruitfly.

It should have been clear since 1965 but somehow didn't penetrate enough it would seem.

Keep yawning - that does not change the fact that you went into an off topic rant because you completely misunderstood the original poster as a result of you impulsive anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim POV.

OK, so even misunderstanding now has religious color?

You don't remember anything then - there was barely any time allowed for 'dragging feet' - the US launched the war and invasion less than a month after the September 11 attacks - that is barely enough time for even a basic investigation to be carried out, let alone investigate, gather evidence, build a case and engage in diplomacy to arrive at mutually acceptable outcomes.

You are talking as if Taliban was a civilized and recognizes government that could be trusted with anything!

You really believe that?

And to refresh your 'vivid memory' some more, it was the US that never even offered to consider the possibility of OBL's trial in a third country. The fault here was entirely with the US, not the Taliban.

Taliban hosted the AQ and so was a direct cause of 9/11. They deserved the beating they got.

Every bit so.

Something directly from Musharraf's book:

The impact of 9/11 was lost on Mullah Omar and the Taliban. "It was God's punishment for the injustices against Muslims," Mullah Omar said. God was on their side and Osama bin Laden was a superman. Thus, negotiating with Mullah Omar was more difficult than one can imagine. It was like banging one's head against a wall. We have two entirely opposite worldviews. Whereas I believe that one must exhaust every avenue to avoid war and the death and destruction it entails, Omar thinks that death and destruction are inconsequential details in a just war.

Try as we did, we could not persuade Mullah Omar to let go of Osama in the window available before October 7, 2001, the deadline imposed by President Bush. We told him that his country would be devastated, but he did not understand. He really believed that American forces could be defeated. In this he was misled first by Osama bin Laden himself, but also by other misguided religious thinkers, even in Pakistan.

You really think such a person could be negotiated with?

I am not aware of any credible evidence suggesting the ISI chief at that point was behind the Taliban position - but regardless of who was behind the stance they took, the argument of 'provide evidence, establish guilt and conduct a fair trial' is an undeniably 'moral and legally correct' one.

Your standards for "credible evidence" are evidently pretty malleable.

I hope you followed the press at that time. If I am not mistaken, he was kicked out shortly after for exactly the reason.

Your definition of "moral and legal" is different from most of the world where the likes of Taliban and AQ are the good guys and you so much condemn the killing of the OBL and the removal of the Taliban.

You have not 'heard' because your 'vivid memory' chooses to block out everything that contradicts your anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim prejudice.

The following link details atrocities on both sides:

rawa.org: The Northern Alliance atrocities in Afghanistan from 1992-96

There are various other reports as well of atrocities committed by warlords and factions allied with the NA.

Replied earlier. Both are Muslims and I have no sympathy for any of them if they are terrorists.

Why are you trying to suggest as if somehow non Muslims are responsible for the doings of these people?

 

[Zabaniyah]

The graveyard of empire is another funny tag, Afghanistan had been ruled and will be ruled by myriads of empire or their proxies.

Myriads and proxies? You know, the British tried to take control of the land twice. They failed on both attempts.

 

[Vinod2070]

If you have read the book you should be able to provide excerpts supporting your argument - until you do, your argument stands unsubstantiated and speculative, as are the claims you attribute to Reidel.

That's a great way to ask someone to do something. Like condensing a 144 page book into a post here.

A book that you won't condescend to read yourself. Because you would rather avoid facts?

Impressive indeed.

 

[RazPaK]

The Taliban regime did not leave us a choice when we attacked them in Afghanistan; it was because they harbored and protected a foreign terrorist and cared little, if at all, about the consequences it would bring to their own people. They chose to put the lives of millions of Afghans in danger only to protect a terrorist organization. When there are voluntary confessions and proud claims by Al-Qaeda’s leader, boasting of killing American civilians, attacking our embassies and waging a war of hatred among religions, do you expect those he influenced and paid to protect him would have negotiated his capture and death? How can you compare the state of Taliban now with when they were in power in Afghanistan? This war was supported by the international community, and as compared to the era of the Taliban regime, Afghanistan’s government is now recognized by the world and democratically elected by its people. President Karzai has been elected leader by the Afghans themselves, and has also been endorsed by Pakistan and the rest of the world. To label him a war lord is both incorrect and unjustified. Ironically, it is democracy that denied victory in the elections to those who are considered war lords in Afghanistan. As for development activities, we have and are committed to helping and supporting development projects in Afghanistan. The progress is visible and transparent, if one chooses to see it.

MAJ David Nevers,
DET – U.S. Central Command

LOL at Centcom for defending Karzai. Their puppet boy. LOLZ

Proof?

Here:

The tensions between the West and Mr. Karzai flared up publicly last Thursday, when Mr. Karzai accused the West and the United Nations of perpetrating fraud in the August presidential election and described the Western military coalition as coming close to being seen as invaders who would give the insurgency legitimacy as “a national resistance.”

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On Saturday, Mr. Karzai met with about 60 members of Parliament, mostly his supporters, and berated them for having rejected his proposed new election law.

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At the meeting, Mr. Karzai stepped up his anti-Western statements, according to a Parliament member who attended but spoke on condition of anonymity.

“If you and the international community pressure me more, I swear that I am going to join the Taliban,” Mr. Karzai said, according to the Parliament member.
Read more: Karzai says he’ll join the Taliban if UN keeps pressuring him | The Daily Caller

Ahh even their golden child wanted to side with the Taliban; and a smart boy he is because apparently Biden has decreed that the Taliban are not an enemy to the US!!!


This whole war is a sham. I don't even know what to think anymore.