18 Chinese boats take shelter in island off Basilan

[Aepsilons]

Yes, he is very famous.

Zhou Enlai and nixon in China 1972.

US airforce B 52 bombarders attacked Hanoi in 1972. many Vietnamese kids were killed.

Memorandum statue of kids in Vietnam were killed in B 52 attack 1972 in Hanoi.

Definitely a blood chapter in America and Vietnam's history. Post-colonial period...

 

[帅的一匹]

Vietnam civillian suffered huge casaulty when engaed with USA, my RIP to those dead innocents in the Vietnam war in 1970s.

Although we set up bi-lateral relationship with USA back in 1970s, we always oppose USA's brutal killing in Vietnam. It is the breakup of Soviet and China relationship leads to the glitch of China and Vietnam, am i right?

I finally understan the reason why some Viets hodl grudge against China, partially blame it on Soviet. China coordinated with USA to stop the Vietnam war cause Yankees suffered severe casaulty as well, Vietnam soldiers are really good at battle. If Soviet didn't bully new born CHina, this shit won't happen. Who the fck wanna compromise USA if China is strong enough to deter Soviet? We never surrender Vietnam to USA, that's the fact. We keep support Vietnam armo and food after 1972.

The seed of hatred had been buried in some Vietnamese heart, especially those who in charge after Ho Chi Migh death.

We can say Soviet somewhat stirred up China and Vietnam relationship in 1970s.

And yo can't exclude some Viet members here are pro South Vietnam regime, they hate communist Vietnam.

For China, a communist Vietnam is always better than a non-communist one.

The international politics is extremely complicated beyond any imagination.

 

[Aepsilons]

Vietnam civillian suffered huge casaulty when engaed with USA, my RIP to those dead innocents in the Vietnam war in 1970s.

Although we set up bi-lateral relationship with USA back in 1970s, we always oppose USA's brutal killing in Vietnam. It is the breakup of Soviet and China relationship leads to the glitch of China and Vietnam, am i right?

I finally understan the reason why some Viets hodl grudge against China, partially blame it on Soviet. China coordinated with USA to stop the Vietnam war cause Yankees suffered severe casaulty as well, Vietnam soldiers are really good at battle. If Soviet didn't bully new born CHina, this shit won't happen. Who the fck wanna compromise USA if China is strong enough to deter Soviet? We never surrender Vietnam to USA, that's the fact. We keep support Vietnam armo and food after 1972.

The seed of hatred had been buried in some Vietnamese heart, especially those who in charge after Ho Chi Migh death.

We can say Soviet somewhat stirred up China and Vietnam relationship in 1970s.

And yo can't exclude some Viet members here are pro South Vietnam regime, they hate communist Vietnam.

For China, a communist Vietnam is always better than a non-communist one.

The international politics is extremely complicated beyond any imagination.

All of this could have been prevented had Vietnam not intervened in Cambodia. If the Khmers want to kill each other, who cares, let that be their own problem. In my opinion, had Vietnam opted to join Chinese instead of the Russians, it could have even cemented its position and benefited from greater Sino-Vietnamese trade and development.

Honestly, if we look at the situation in the ground in Cambodia, they are already anti-Vietnaemese (as they are anti-Thai). Vietnam wasted resources in that country.

 

[帅的一匹]

All of this could have been prevented had Vietnam not intervened in Cambodia. If the Khmers want to kill each other, who cares, let that be their own problem. In my opinion, had Vietnam opted to join Chinese instead of the Russians, it could have even cemented its position and benefited from greater Sino-Vietnamese trade and development.

Honestly, if we look at the situation in the ground in Cambodia, they are already anti-Vietnaemese (as they are anti-Thai). Vietnam wasted resources in that country.

Vietnam interfere in Laos for some reaons, Khmers problem is just a excuse. You just check the map of Vietnam, they have no strategic depth from West to East, they need to expand its strategic depth by devouring Laos. China will never allow them doing it. Vietnam leaders seduced by Soviet and it's aspiration had lost control in 1970s, they all blame it on CHina.

They paid a high price in the end. They once claimed themself as thrid best army in the world, which CHina deem it as a joke after dinner.

Only three force in Asia has the strongest combat ability:
1.CHina
2.Japan
3. Vietnam
others could be igonored

@Nihonjin1051 How do you perceive Abe's goverment?

 

[Aepsilons]

Vietnam interfere in Laos for some reaons, Khmers problem is just a excuse. You just check the map of Vietnam, they have no strategic depth from West to East, they need to expand its strategic depth by devouring Laos. China will never allow them doing it. Vietnam leaders seduced by Soviet and it's aspiration had lost control in 1970s, they all blame it on CHina.

The history of this region is filled with constant warfare for the control of the region; the Siamese, the Burmese, the Vietnamese all were vying for dominance in this region. Too small of a region and too many factions involved with an appetite for conquest. Cambodia and Laos are unfortunate because their population is too small and thus they are a small shrimp between two large whales (Thailand and Vietnam).

As for Vietnam. They prefer to keep Cambodia and Laos militarily weak so as to exert their influence on them. I mean, afterall, what better way to control your satrap than to keep them extremely weak to resist your power.

In regards to Vietnam-China relations; it would have been better for them both (China and Vietnam) had the CPV aligned itself with the CPC. In fact the strategic depth of the Sino-Vietnamese sphere could have been realized all the way up to Thailand.

But again, this is all 20 - 20 perspective.

@Nihonjin1051 How do you perceive Abe's goverment?

1. I like his policy of greater Japanese military responsibilities
2. I do agree with him that immigration quota needs to be amended and Japan should remove its excessively strict immigration / protectionist policy
3. I agree with his policy of courting Russian cooperation and signing a formal peace treaty with Russia and solve the border issue in the north
4. I disagree with him visiting Yasukuni Shrine during socially sensitive moments
5. I believe that he should have made a formal apology to China and Korea about WWII
6. I do not agree with his lack of action regarding the TPP and the CJK-FTA.

I like some of hi policies, and I do not approve some of his policies.

 

[ravi kiran]

Have you ever thought of improving relationships with China? Why hate CHina like hell? You shall do something positive.

have chinese ever thought of improving relationship with neighbours????
have chinese ever thought of giving up expansionist dreams???
have chinese ever thought of not to occupy others land forcfully?

Only three force in Asia has the strongest combat ability:
1.CHina
2.Japan
3. Vietnam
others could be igonored

I assume India is your enemy so you dont consider India have any combat capability.
But as you say your all weather friend pakistan also dont have any combat capability. strange chinese think pakistan dont have any combat capability

 

[帅的一匹]

av
have chinese ever thought of not to occupy others land forcfhully?e chinese ever thought of improving relationship with neighbours????
have chinese ever thought of giving up expansionist dreams???



I assume India is your enemy so you dont consider India have any combat capability.
But as you say your all weather friend pakistan also dont have any combat capability. strange chinese think pakistan dont have any combat capability

I say the top three

have chinese ever thought of not to occupy others land forcfhully? We didn't
have chinese ever thought of improving relationship with neighbours???? Yes
have chinese ever thought of giving up expansionist dreams??? It never exist.

 

[ravi kiran]

have chinese ever thought of not to occupy others land forcfhully? We didn't

have you forgot aksai chin? which is part of J&K part of India

have chinese ever thought of improving relationship with neighbours???? Yes

Then why hostility towards India,Vietnam,Philippines,Japan???

have chinese ever thought of giving up expansionist dreams??? It never exist.

then what is china doing in AP,SCS??isn't it expansionist dream???

 

[sicsheep]

1. I like his policy of greater Japanese military responsibilities
2. I do agree with him that immigration quota needs to be amended and Japan should remove its excessively strict immigration / protectionist policy
3. I agree with his policy of courting Russian cooperation and signing a formal peace treaty with Russia and solve the border issue in the north
4. I disagree with him visiting Yasukuni Shrine during socially sensitive moments
5. I believe that he should have made a formal apology to China and Korea about WWII
6. I do not agree with his lack of action regarding the TPP and the CJK-FTA.

I like some of hi policies, and I do not approve some of his policies.

Hey i just want to say as a Chinese, I agree with you,

You should at least change JDSF back to Imperial Japanese Army/Navy, I mean when has Japan ever been invaded? who are you defending against? you are not fooling anyone but yourselves.

Its us who should call change PLA name to CDSF. that would be more appropriate.

 

[EastSea]

Vietnam civillian suffered huge casaulty when engaed with USA, my RIP to those dead innocents in the Vietnam war in 1970s.

Although we set up bi-lateral relationship with USA back in 1970s, we always oppose USA's brutal killing in Vietnam. It is the breakup of Soviet and China relationship leads to the glitch of China and Vietnam, am i right?

I finally understan the reason why some Viets hodl grudge against China, partially blame it on Soviet. China coordinated with USA to stop the Vietnam war cause Yankees suffered severe casaulty as well, Vietnam soldiers are really good at battle. If Soviet didn't bully new born CHina, this shit won't happen. Who the fck wanna compromise USA if China is strong enough to deter Soviet? We never surrender Vietnam to USA, that's the fact. We keep support Vietnam armo and food after 1972.

The seed of hatred had been buried in some Vietnamese heart, especially those who in charge after Ho Chi Migh death.

We can say Soviet somewhat stirred up China and Vietnam relationship in 1970s.

And yo can't exclude some Viet members here are pro South Vietnam regime, they hate communist Vietnam.

For China, a communist Vietnam is always better than a non-communist one.

The international politics is extremely complicated beyond any imagination.

The true intention of China is to be use Vietnamese to counter to France and US to last Vietnamese, but for nothing. China shaked hands with France to divide Vietnam in 1954, and after offensive of Vietcong 1968, china reduced and stopped help to Vietnam.

Again, 1972 China shaked hands with US. and promised with US that the situation in the region will no change. It is true intention of China, when US go home from Vietnam 1973. Vietnam is reunitified, China was up set and backed Khmer Rouge to attack Vietnam on border.

The history of this region is filled with constant warfare for the control of the region; the Siamese, the Burmese, the Vietnamese all were vying for dominance in this region. Too small of a region and too many factions involved with an appetite for conquest. Cambodia and Laos are unfortunate because their population is too small and thus they are a small shrimp between two large whales (Thailand and Vietnam).

As for Vietnam. They prefer to keep Cambodia and Laos militarily weak so as to exert their influence on them. I mean, afterall, what better way to control your satrap than to keep them extremely weak to resist your power.

In regards to Vietnam-China relations; it would have been better for them both (China and Vietnam) had the CPV aligned itself with the CPC. In fact the strategic depth of the Sino-Vietnamese sphere could have been realized all the way up to Thailand.

But again, this is all 20 - 20 perspective.

This is idiot Polpot and Khmer Rouge failure. They don't like to be rulers in Phnompenh, they like to be puppet of China and in fighting with Vietnamese from jungle.

They attacked Vietnam with illusion that we can not punish them.

 

[Aepsilons]

Hey i just want to say as a Chinese, I agree with you,

You should at least change JDSF back to Imperial Japanese Army/Navy, I mean when has Japan ever been invaded? who are you defending against? you are not fooling anyone but yourselves.

Its us who should call change PLA name to CDSF. that would be more appropriate.

It's important to understand that the form of government and policies of Japan on the early 20th century is dichotous to the Liberal Demcratic Japan of the present. We're not invading anyone , but we will defend what is ours.

The true intention of China is to be use Vietnamese to counter to France and US to last Vietnamese, but for nothing. China shaked hands with France to divide Vietnam in 1954, and after offensive of Vietcong 1968, china reduced and stopped help to Vietnam.

Again, 1972 China shaked hands with US. and promised with US that the situation in the region will no change. It is true intention of China, when US go home from Vietnam 1973. Vietnam is reunitified, China was up set and backed Khmer Rouge to attack Vietnam on border.



This is idiot Polpot and Khmer Rouge failure. They don't like to be rulers in Phnompenh, they like to be puppet of China and in fighting with Vietnamese from jungle.

They attacked Vietnam with illusion that we can not punish them.

I understand the political reasons. I've taken various graduate level electives in East Asian Politics. For me, however, I believe that the only reason why China pressed Vietnam was because the latter's decision to align itself with the USSR , despite knowing the fact that China and the Soviets were strategic competitors after the Sino Soviet Split.

Ask yourself this question: Who is more strategically valuable to China: Vietnam or Cambodia. You know the answer, Vietnam.

 

[EastSea]

It's important to understand that the form of government and policies of Japan on the early 20th century is dichotous to the Liberal Demcratic Japan of the present. We're not invading anyone , but we will defend what is ours.



I understand the political reasons. I've taken various graduate level electives in East Asian Politics. For me, however, I believe that the only reason why China pressed Vietnam was because the latter's decision to align itself with the USSR , despite knowing the fact that China and the Soviets were strategic competitors after the Sino Soviet Split.

Ask yourself this question: Who is more strategically valuable to China: Vietnam or Cambodia. You know the answer, Vietnam.

after Vietnam war vietnam tried to be neutral in this debate of Soviet and China about socialism. But China don't like this she would like vietnam to be a puppet of China, like Khmer Rouge.

Vietnam joined to socialist pack is from 1950, like China. Base on bittery experiences in Vietnam war, I think the leadearship was not stupied. we have been suffered big loss from 1976-1978 when Khmer Rouge attacked us. we can not waiting until China and Khmer rouge should attacked us in the same time, when we don't have any friends in the world in this time.

until now we have a policy for that ''to be friend with all people in the world''. we have good relation with russian and other country like Japan, India, USA etc.

I think Mr. Abe understand Chinese better than you.

 

[BoQ77]

Yeah, follow documents I read, China pushed Vietnam to choose : China or Soviet Union.
Vietnam cannot make the choice because they want more friend, not less.

So, China doubt that Vietnam would support Soviet Union if a war happen between them and Soviet Union.
Their doubt keep growing after each agreement between Soviet Union and Vietnam signed.

Actually, they pushed Vietnam away from their orbit. The support to Khmer Rouge or Cambodia always useless.
The decision to invade Vietnam is the bad move, too. And it's too late or Khmer Rouge too weak compare to Vietnam.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yeah, follow documents I read, China pushed Vietnam to choose : China or Soviet Union.
Vietnam cannot make the choice because they want more friend, not less.

So, China doubt that Vietnam would support Soviet Union if a war happen between them and Soviet Union.
Their doubt keep growing after each agreement between Soviet Union and Vietnam signed.

Actually, they pushed Vietnam away from their orbit. The support to Khmer Rouge or Cambodia always useless.
The decision to invade Vietnam is the bad move, too. And it's too late or Khmer Rouge too weak compare to Vietnam.

I like to play Devil's Advocate in this political analysis, and in that context I would say that the strategic depth of Vietnam's foreign relations was in want. China had invested heavily in defense of North Vietnam during the Vietnam War with the USA. It was Chinese resources sent to Vietnam, not Russian, remember it was China who also intervened in Korea to aid Kim Il Sung during his moment of crisis.

When the Vietnamese sided with Russia over China, this was taken by the Chinese as the greatest insult to their active policy in aiding Vietnam. This is the reason why their relations with you guys took toll for the worst. It forced them to develop relations with Cambodia, practically an insignificant fly.

And did Russia intervene for Vietnam during the 1979 Sino Viet War? You know the answer to that. Of course not simply because the Soviets used Viet as a mere pawn in irritating the Chinese post Sino Soviet Split. This is the very reason why China also courted the West vis a vis Japan and then USA in the late 70s.

My point is this: Vietnam would have fared better had it aligned itself with China. You see how China invested $40 billion in Pakistan this year? The same kind of financial investment would have taken place with Vietnam had the latter been an all weather ally and friend of China.

You cannot expect the Russians to intervene on your behalf against China. They will not; they didn't even do the same for India, which is also one of their major partners, against China.

Russia recognized no friends , only strategic interests and how said interest can benefit them for the time being.

History is the best teacher, @BoQ77

 

[Zero_wing]

There is cold war.

How many American, Philippine, South Korean, Thai, Australian... were killed in Vietnam war ?

None we send a civic active group in Vietnam they did have some protection from our own troops but we never particapted in combat unlike the Korean war were we kick some commie maoist chinese @$$ like alot

Vote Aquino out. Philippine people do not want American on Philippine soil, rape and killed Pinoy.

This from the a person who's people who never voted their leaders into office you have no right to demand to vote slow but effective leader from office and your not a Filipino citizen for starters majority of filipinos trust President Aquino his a slow on the decisions but no leader is perfect. Unlike the Leaders of China who power grab and musscle their way in to power we vote not peaceful at times but majority peaceful unlike you you never had a chance to do crap about your leaders out of office try doing that XI in office and your in prinson camp wait to be harvested for your organs