15 Jordanian F-16 for sale

[NomanAli89]

I hope Turkish folks know the old systems well. Off course I have no other clue. Anyway these may be all reasons they want to roam heaven and earth to have their own bird - TFX - like Paks...

Yep that is why our JF-17 is far better than any F-16 because at least it will fire during war times and missile will go exactly where we want them to go and it is free from all kinds of sanctions, Lets hope Turkey come up with its own jet ASAP

 

[A2Z]

May be not Russian but Chinese, which USA also might not bother much. After all, Egyptians also have Russian jets along with their Americans, or may be cooperation with Pakistan in JF-17 by developing new composite frame and customization according to UAEAF needs.

Cooperation with Pakistan is something that the GCC countries would never do. They are very rich and buying something like JFT that has a price tag of $30-35 million is too cheap for them to even consider. They are arrogant people and take pride in the billions of $$$ they have.

Secondly they are not interested in R&D, while UAEAF was buying Block 60s they paid a lot, almost $3 billion in terms of R&D cost. Research and development that was done in USA and only by USA. If PAF was striking that sort of a deal they would certainly have asked for maximum local manufacturing. However UAE is happy in purchasing off the self items and who could blame them they have the money to do it.

Another example are Saudis they spend 3rd largest amount on defence and the amount of self sufficiency they have is nothing even close to what a country spending $80+ billion must have. They have all the fancy toys Typhoons, F-15s, Abrahams, you just name it they have it or must have considered it at some point but they are all purchased off the shelf items.

 

[Band Aid]

Couldn't agree more with you sir. Any kill switches that are used would certainly effect the sales of all American weapons and systems.

I mean who would like to buy an F-35 if it has some major strings attached.

 

[Band Aid]

Another example are Saudis they spend 3rd largest amount on defence and the amount of self sufficiency they have is nothing even close to what a country spending $80+ billion must have. They have all the fancy toys Typhoons, F-15s, Abrahams, you just name it they have it or must have considered it at some point but they are all purchased off the shelf items.

Well Saudis did purchase trainer aircrafts from Pakistan and so is Turkey. They too are purchasing Super Mushaks.

 

[A2Z]

Well Saudis did purchase trainer aircrafts from Pakistan and so is Turkey. They too are purchasing Super Mushaks.

Yes you are right the Saudis did purchase Mushaks from Pakistan but my point was that they did not are for a certain level of TOT.

 

[MastanKhan]

Cooperation with Pakistan is something that the GCC countries would never do. They are very rich and buying something like JFT that has a price tag of $30-35 million is too cheap for them to even consider. They are arrogant people and take pride in the billions of $$$ they have.

Secondly they are not interested in R&D, while UAEAF was buying Block 60s they paid a lot, almost $3 billion in terms of R&D cost. Research and development that was done in USA and only by USA. If PAF was striking that sort of a deal they would certainly have asked for maximum local manufacturing. However UAE is happy in purchasing off the self items and who could blame them they have the money to do it.

Another example are Saudis they spend 3rd largest amount on defence and the amount of self sufficiency they have is nothing even close to what a country spending $80+ billion must have. They have all the fancy toys Typhoons, F-15s, Abrahams, you just name it they have it or must have considered it at some point but they are all purchased off the shelf items.

Hi,

They buy from the U S---because the U S comes to their rescue all the time.

They tried to give you the opportunity---they literally begged you for their security last year and you rejected them---and then you claim that they don't want to buy your stuff or don't want to invest in your R&D.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Hi,

They buy from the U S---because the U S comes to their rescue all the time.

They tried to give you the opportunity---they literally begged you for their security last year and you rejected them---and then you claim that they don't want to buy your stuff or don't want to invest in your R&D.

Doing international business is another ball game, goin gin competetion of LHM or EURO fighter is sucide.
Pakistan need to carefully appoint sales team, which is handling Arab clientel.
Slaes team should keep Pakistan's interest dearest. Team members having prejudice, against Arabs are hurting Pakistan more than RAW.

 

[Inception-06]

Hi,

They buy from the U S---because the U S comes to their rescue all the time.

They tried to give you the opportunity---they literally begged you for their security last year and you rejected them---and then you claim that they don't want to buy your stuff or don't want to invest in your R&D.

If we would have jumped in Yemen, we would have now in Pakistan a total sectarian war !

 

[MastanKhan]

If we would have jumped in Yemen, we would have now in Pakistan a total sectarian war !

Hi,

No we would no have---. The first step would have been to neutralized anti shia element in paksitan---just like against Ishaque & co from Muzaffar Garh---lightening strike---make sure to tell them you mean business---.

The next step would have been to neutralize the media----. No anti state rhetoric---.

The next step would be to make the pitch to the pakistani public---.

The next step would be to talk to the yemeni's and tell them to not to fall prey to the death machine of the Iranians---.

Tell them not to follow the guidelines of iran---because where ever iran goes---death and destruction follows.

The next step would be to find peace between the two factions and find the reasons why the Houthis---who had been peaceful---what caused them to pickup arms---.

 

[Windjammer]

Last report was that Capitol Hill has been notified of the sale, while first the process was going through the bureaucratic blender, now until the transfer of power in the White house, all remains frozen.

 

[Raider 21]

Cooperation with Pakistan is something that the GCC countries would never do. They are very rich and buying something like JFT that has a price tag of $30-35 million is too cheap for them to even consider. They are arrogant people and take pride in the billions of $$$ they have.

Secondly they are not interested in R&D, while UAEAF was buying Block 60s they paid a lot, almost $3 billion in terms of R&D cost. Research and development that was done in USA and only by USA. If PAF was striking that sort of a deal they would certainly have asked for maximum local manufacturing. However UAE is happy in purchasing off the self items and who could blame them they have the money to do it.

Another example are Saudis they spend 3rd largest amount on defence and the amount of self sufficiency they have is nothing even close to what a country spending $80+ billion must have. They have all the fancy toys Typhoons, F-15s, Abrahams, you just name it they have it or must have considered it at some point but they are all purchased off the shelf items.

That is because the UAE did not want a FMS sale through the USAF. They were cool with paying a lot more in getting a custom built jet directly from the manufacturer....similarly they did the same when they ordered the Mirage 2000-9.

 

[Khafee]

That is because the UAE did not want a FMS sale through the USAF. They were cool with paying a lot more in getting a custom built jet directly from the manufacturer....similarly they did the same when they ordered the Mirage 2000-9.

Sir, we paid more for R&D and proprietary rights, it had nothing to do with FMS sales. If any F16 BLk60 or above is sold, we get royalties, irrespective of where the production line is.

As of Nov.2014 FMS incur a charge of 1.2%, down from 1.5%

Secondly what the M2K-9 was more than a decade ago, the Indian Air Force is playing catch up today.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Why on earth...
PAF has been operating these F-16 since the 1980s.
We need diversity in our airpower like having Su35's to assist also in Naval patrols or Euro fighters.
It was exactly the right time to move into newer jets deadlines for 5th generation 2023 We could've used Euro fighters or su35's effectively till then.
PAF policy makers are just thinking one dimensional

PAF loves these used F-16's because of their cheap price tag and what they are capable of doing. Since we already have expert maintenance support dealing with this aircraft , it makes sense to buy them cheaply off the world market.

 

[Raider 21]

Sir, we paid more for R&D and proprietary rights, it had nothing to do with FMS sales. If any F16 BLk60 or above is sold, we get royalties, irrespective of where the production line is.

As of Nov.2014 FMS incur a charge of 1.2%, down from 1.5%

Secondly what the M2K-9 was more than a decade ago, the Indian Air Force is playing catch up today.

Oh well I was quoting what a Colonel Staff pilot (former No.2 Sqn Cdr) told me when he was doing his F-16 B-course at Arizona. The case with M2K-9....UAE was the launch customer...whether India catches up or not.

 

[Khafee]

Cooperation with Pakistan is something that the GCC countries would never do. They are very rich and buying something like JFT that has a price tag of $30-35 million is too cheap for them to even consider. They are arrogant people and take pride in the billions of $$$ they have.

Secondly they are not interested in R&D, while UAEAF was buying Block 60s they paid a lot, almost $3 billion in terms of R&D cost. Research and development that was done in USA and only by USA. If PAF was striking that sort of a deal they would certainly have asked for maximum local manufacturing. However UAE is happy in purchasing off the self items and who could blame them they have the money to do it.

Another example are Saudis they spend 3rd largest amount on defence and the amount of self sufficiency they have is nothing even close to what a country spending $80+ billion must have. They have all the fancy toys Typhoons, F-15s, Abrahams, you just name it they have it or must have considered it at some point but they are all purchased off the shelf items.

Sir, the US$3b in return gave us something most people won't be able to fathom. So lets leave it at that.

Oh well I was quoting what a Colonel Staff pilot (former No.2 Sqn Cdr) told me when he was doing his F-16 B-course at Arizona. The case with M2K-9....UAE was the launch customer...whether India catches up or not.

Really. He told you all of that.