14 dead in shooting at San Bernardino, Calif., center for disabled; 3 suspects on loose

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I work long hours in the garage and receive lots of packages too, but being aware of what goes on in the neighborhood is merely a matter of good civic sense, is it not?

Unless you intend for people to go poking around inside their neighbors garages to see what exactly is being worked on and opening random pacakges to determine contents, I don't see how your suggestion of what neighbors 'could have done and reported as suspicious activity' is viable.

 

[VCheng]

Unless you intend for people to go poking around inside their neighbors garages to see what exactly is being worked on and opening random pacakges to determine contents, I don't see how your suggestion of what neighbors 'could have done and reported as suspicious activity' is viable.

When neighbors are on good terms with each other, knowing what is going on in the whole sub-division is easy. You should know that, having lived here, and you know what I am talking about.

 

[pakdefender]

Hmmm this looks photoshopped , if you look closely at the font for the urdu word "Naam" and the font used to print the name in urdu , then same for the next Urdu word "Jinis" and the word "Aurat" , the font is again diffrent , same for all other data

For those of us who have Pakistani ID card issued , please take them out and have look at the font on your ID cards for the font used for "Naam" and your name that appears in urdu in front of it and the font used for all other headings and filled texts , they will be the same font , not different font

Also they photoshop chap got the "Tarikh e Paidaish" ( date of birth ) format wrong its written July 13 , 1986 .. the ID cards issued by NADRA have DOB format as DD/MM/YYYY and not MM DD, YYYY

Just notice that the photo itself looks "raised" from the back ground , in the Pakistani ID card the picture is smoothly part of the main ID card body

Very poor attempt at photoshopping

 

[VCheng]

Hmmm this looks photoshopped , if you look closely at the font for the urdu word "Naam" and the font used to print the name in urdu , then same for the next Urdu word "Jinis" and the word "Aurat" , the font is again diffrent , same for all other data

For those of us who have Pakistani ID card issued , please take them out and have look at the font on your ID cards for the font used for "Naam" and your name that appears in urdu in front of it and the font used for all other headings and filled texts , they will be the same font , not different font

Also they photoshop chap got the "Tarikh e Paidaish" ( date of birth ) format wrong its written July 13 , 1986 .. the ID cards issued by NADRA have DOB format as DD/MM/YYYY and not MM DD, YYYY

Just notice that the photo itself looks "raised" from the back ground , in the Pakistani ID card the picture is smmothly part of the main ID card body

Very poor attempt at photoshopping

It depends on when and where the card was issued. Pakistani NICs have changed many times over the years, Sir.

 

[pakdefender]

It depends on when and where the card was issued. Pakistani NICs have changed many times over the years, Sir.

No , the NDARA ID cards have identical fonts and have been identical since the time the computerized ID cards came , these cards are not hand generated

What you have posted is clearly photoshopped

One more addition , the place of signature where the word "Tashfeen" is written on white background is again wrong , the signature field on the cards seamless merges into the back ground

 

[VCheng]

No , the NDARA ID cards have identical fonts and have been identical since the time the computerized ID cards came , these cards are not hand generated

What you have posted is clearly photoshopped

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The NIC number shown is clearly traceable, Sir. Let NADRA confirm or deny it.

 

[pakdefender]

The NIC number shown is clearly traceable, Sir. Let NADRA confirm or deny it.

I can tell you that the picture of the ID card you posted is fake

 

[VCheng]

I can tell you that the picture of the ID card you posted is fake

You may be correct Sir. But it is NADRA's responsibility to officially indicate whether that card is fake or not. It is important that they do their duty without delay.

 

[Styx]

No equivalence, just see a pattern among some of us which is prevalent among most Muslims.

man, I'm irreligious, don't care about any of it and don't want to be an apologist for the nut jobs but all this recent "hindu taliban" "wahhabi hinduism" LOL and "rss = isis" etc by the lefty media is a load of crap and honestly quite laughable.

radical sunni islam and sallafism etc is at a whole other level, undisputed champs.. evil jooz, pagan hindus, followers of the prophet jesus, buddhists, the shia heretics... and whatehavyou.. they're not even little league compared to taliban, boko haram, isis and qaeda etc

 

[pakdefender]

You may be correct Sir. But it is NADRA's responsibility to officially indicate whether that card is fake or not. It is important that they do their duty without delay.

It's not that I may be correct , I *AM* correct , this is a photoshopped copy

This copy of the ID card would not even pass off a basic check for authenticity

While its the official duty of NADRA to authenticate this , in what capacity are reuters and people like yourself circulating unverified and doctored copies of this id card ?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

When neighbors are on good terms with each other, knowing what is going on in the whole sub-division is easy. You should know that, having lived here, and you know what I am talking about.

How do you stop someone from making a pipe bomb though, since bullets (and thus gunpowder) is so easy to buy.

Would you be suspicious if a neighbour bought a gun with a lot of bullets?

Hell, I'm a bit of a gun enthusiast myself, if I lived in America I would probably buy a ton of guns. In HK we only have shooting ranges but no private ownership of guns.

What baffles me about these terrorists though, is that they clearly have no sense of self-preservation, YET they are so careful about hiding their true identities from their neighbours and friends. They are so worried that they will die before they complete their "mission"?

If someone is so desperate to die, why not just become a Heroin junkie and die in a dark room somewhere. Why do terrorists see their mission as being so important, and for no Earthly reward. It is so illogical.

 

[Roybot]

How do you stop someone from making a pipe bomb though, since bullets (and thus gunpowder) is so easy to buy.

Would you be suspicious if a neighbour bought a gun with a lot of bullets?

Hell, I'm a bit of a gun enthusiast myself, if I lived in America I would probably buy a ton of guns. In HK we only have shooting ranges but no private ownership of guns.

What baffles me about these terrorists though, is that they clearly have no sense of self-preservation, YET they are so careful about hiding their true identities from their neighbours and friends. They are so worried that they will die before they complete their "mission"?

If someone is so desperate to die, why not just become a Heroin junkie and die in a dark room somewhere. Why do terrorists see their mission as being so important, and for no Earthly reward. It is so illogical.

You don't stop them. If you see someone receiving packages with explosives, chemicals, most boxed would be marked on the outside, you go and inform the police. Better be safe than sorry.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You don't stop them. If you see someone receiving packages with explosives, chemicals, most boxed would be marked on the outside, you go and inform the police. Better be safe than sorry.

What I meant, is that how do you even KNOW if someone is making a pipe bomb.

I mean everyone in America can buy a pipe, anyone can buy bullets and empty the powder/charge into the pipe. Then seal the pipe tightly so that there is nowhere for the pressure to go, resulting in the pipe exploding into shrapnel.

Technically every single person in America could make one. Hell most anyone on Earth could probably make one. But how do you know who is actually doing it?

 

[nvKyleBrown]

You don't stop them. If you see someone receiving packages with explosives, chemicals, most boxed would be marked on the outside, you go and inform the police. Better be safe than sorry.

Hazardous materials would have to be marked. Might be hard to see exactly what it was from the street if the package was left on the porch, or immediately received and taken inside.

 

[gambit]

What baffles me about these terrorists though, is that they clearly have no sense of self-preservation, YET they are so careful about hiding their true identities from their neighbours and friends. They are so worried that they will die before they complete their "mission"?

If someone is so desperate to die, why not just become a Heroin junkie and die in a dark room somewhere. Why do terrorists see their mission as being so important, and for no Earthly reward. It is so illogical.

This is where you are wrong. What they did was very logical.

You have to think of what they did in terms of warfare because this is exactly what it is -- war between forces.

If the mission is most likely or even certain that will claim the lives of the participants, then all measures must be taken to ensure that the end goal of the mission is accomplished. Since the mission required a lot of preparation, you must take steps to ensure your preparation of resources is not disturbed. If precautions requires disguises or some kinds of covert actions -- do so. The goal is to inflict as much damages to the other side as possible, not to do things that will result in one's death. As to the Earthly rewards, the belief is that the Heavenly rewards are much greater, if anything, the Heavenly rewards is supposed to match the level of dedication and accomplishments done on Earth.

These people are not desperate to die. Rather, they are desperate to produce results and accomplishments. Plus, there are no uniforms, hierarchies, or even clear orders involved, and that is what make this kind of warfare even more dangerous than conventional warfare.