14 dead in shooting at San Bernardino, Calif., center for disabled; 3 suspects on loose

[VCheng]

Once upon a time we used to be a normally a peaceful South Asian country, but then we had a stupid rulers who wanted us to become more like Middle Eastern countries, and yes, they succeeded and we all can see the results.

Those times are long gone. The Pakistan of today is what the world sees, not what people like you or I can remember.

You are unfortunately mistaken...conservatively. .what do you think is the strength of isis?.

I was talking about within USA, not overseas.

 

[pakdefender]

chi chi chi so badly photoshoped
check the below one

haha identification mark says "aasteen ka saanp" or snake up the sleeve

Let's wait until NADRA confirms or denies this card.

This card is fake , as clear as day it's fake

Admit it you posted an unverified , fake and doctored copy of an ID card

 

[VCheng]

This card is fake , as clear as day it's fake

Admit it you posted an unverified , fake and doctored copy of an ID card

I will wait for NADRA's response first, Sir.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Pakistani in California shooting became hardline in Saudi Arabia: relatives
KAROR LAL ESAN, PAKISTAN
Dec 5, 2015

The estranged relatives of Tashfeen Malik, a Pakistani woman accused of shooting dead 14 people in California, say she and her father seem to have abandoned the family's moderate Islam and became more radicalized during years they spent in Saudi Arabia.

Malik, with her husband Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, is accused of storming a gathering in San Bernardino, California, on Wednesday and opening fire in America's worst mass shooting in three years.

Investigators are treating Wednesday's attack as an "act of terrorism." On Saturday, the Islamic State (IS) group claimed the couple as their followers. There is no evidence yet that IS directed the attack or even knew the attackers.

Malik's killing spree has horrified her Pakistani relatives. Her father cut off contact with his family after a feud over inheritance, they told Reuters, and moved to Saudi Arabia when his daughter was a toddler. There, it seems, he turned to a stricter form of Islam.

"From what we heard, they lived differently, their mindset is different. We are from a land of Sufi saints ... this is very shocking for us," said school teacher Hifza Bibi, the step-sister of Malik's father, who lives in Karor Lal Esan town in central Punjab province.

Sufism, a strain of Islam popular in parts of Pakistan, emphasizes a mystical, personal religious connection. Devotees often play music and dance at shrines, and their practices are looked on with suspicion by orthodox Muslims.

"Our brother ... went to Saudi and since then he doesn't care about anyone here," Bibi said. "A man who didn't come to attend his own mother's funeral, what can you expect from him?"

Tashfeen Malik returned to Pakistan and studied pharmacy at Bahauddin Zakaria university in Multan from 2007 to 2012. She lived in a university hostel. An identity card said she was 29 years old at the time of the shootings.

"She was known to be good student with no religious extremist tendencies," an intelligence official based in the nearby town of Layyah told Reuters.

Malik's uncle Javed Rabbani, a clerk in the town's education department, said he has not seen his brother in 30 years.

"We feel a lot of sadness but we also feel ashamed that someone from our family has done this," he said. "We can't even imagine doing something like this. This is a mindset that is alien to us."

Malik visited Pakistan in 2013 and 2014, security officials told Reuters, but it's unclear who she met or where she visited.

Pakistani media reported she had links to the radical Red Mosque in the capital of Islamabad, but a cleric and a spokesman at the mosque said they had never heard of her before.


(Additional reporting by Amjad Ali in ISLAMABAD and Syed Raza Hassan in KARACHI; Writing By Katharine Houreld; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan)

This card is fake , as clear as day it's fake

Admit it you posted an unverified , fake and doctored copy of an ID card

So how do you know it is fake?

The Pakistan identification card of Tashfeen Malik is shown in this undated handout picture from a government official and obtained by Reuters on December 5, 2015.
Reuters/Handout VIA REUTER

 

[Trisonics]

argument that this terrorist picture should not have been shown without her burqa, calling it "disrespectful".
Shared via twitter.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Pakistani arguing that this terrorist picture should not have been shown without her burqa, calling it "disrespectful".
Shared via twitter.

What a freaking idiot. If this idiot lives in US then the FBI better keep an eye on him, he can explode any time.

 

[Mrc]

Pakistani arguing that this terrorist picture should not have been shown without her burqa, calling it "disrespectful".
Shared via twitter.

Not pakistani but beauro chief of aljazeera and an arab

 

[Trisonics]

Not pakistani but beauro chief of aljazeera and an arab

Thanks. I will edit my post.

I'm wondering if this incident and the one in UC Merced have any connections?

Both the incidents were carried out by Pakistani origin people, both in California and both allegedly have some sort of ISIS connection.

Update: UC Mercer Stabbing

 

[pakdefender]

So how do you know it is fake?

Go back a page or two and see the reply I posted which highlights the signs of forgery .. The difference in Urdu font/script , wrong date of birth format , forged signature field, picture superimposed rather than printed onto the card and finally the back of card picture that you just posted had the date of expiry of the card written but not the date of issue

There are just too many inaccuracies

 

[Mrc]

Thanks. I will edit my post.

I'm wondering if this incident and the one in UC Merced have any connections?

Both the incidents were carried out by Pakistani origin people, both in California and both allegedly have some sort of ISIS connection.

Update: UC Mercer Stabbing

If this is really linked to terrorism, than i bet they had accomplices

 

[Mrc]

Why else would u destroy computer hard drive and phones....
Is nt the whole purpose to make a statement?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Arab families, rather than in the typical Pakistani manner.

This say's it all. I live in UK and I see it too often. The issue is not citizenship. The issue is not even place of birth. The issue is outlook.

A Pakistan born in UK, brought up in UK could be infected with certain outlook - the infection could have been the local mosque which is dominated by Saudi Wahabism. The mosque acts like a vector. Over time that individuel develops a certain outlook which is more in sync with Saudia Arabia or some radical madaris inside Pakistan then the UK.

Out of the 10,000s who develop such outlook all it requires is some have certain personality profile and then some external stimuli - result they go over the edge. I am tired of Pakistani's washing their hands off these people. The fact is these people are products of thinking that is not from UK or USA. It is something they imported.

Pakistani's are most prone to this. This is surprising. You could understand if it was a Palestinian. You could understand if it was Iraqi. You could understand if it was Algerian even as all are Arabs and subject of Western intervention. You could even understand if it was Afghan.

So why Pakistani. Simple. No damed identity. When they go abroad they go through identity crisis. Are they Desi? Are they Indian? Are they Asian? Are they Apna? They fall back on Islamic identity. They describe themselves as Muslim.

A Turk, a Iranian, a Afghan, a Indian, a Malaysian will if asked in Europe reply saying who they are. Pakistani will say "Muslim". The "P" word will be avoided. Once they build this "Muslim" identity they create world which in fact does not exist - not in the legal or practical domain. The "Muslim world".

Iraq gets bombed they cry. Syria gets bombed they cry. Libyia gets bombed they cry. Yeman gets bombed they cry. Gaza gets bombed they cry. The entire Muslim world becomes their headache. Its is like they carry the burden of the entire Muslim world. The West is seen as evil. The West is seen as source of all the suffering across multiple points on the globe.

All it then requires is certain type of personality which might have been exposed to some racism which is then internalized and seen as part of the wider evil that is being subjected to the Muslim world.

 

[Adecypher]

I condemn this despicable act and Allah Subhanu Taala R.I.P the souls of the victims of this tragedy. I am afraid that the lives of an average American Muslim will be impacted as I am quoting a para below from a news article published by NYTimes on Dec. 4, 2015.

Now, with the F.B.I. saying that one of those responsible for the San Bernardino massacre had expressed Islamic State sympathies on Facebook, American Muslims are bracing for more hate directed their way. Overnight on Friday, vandals broke all the windows at the Islamic Center of Palm Beach in Florida, turned over furniture in the prayer room and left bloody stains throughout the facility. The F.B.I. is investigating death threats left by voice mail at a mosque in Manassas, Va.

Just hope that sanity will prevail...

 

[VCheng]

If there is any Pakistani or person/s of Pakistan origin involved in this disgusting evil act, I will remove my Pakistan flag.

Stupid, irrational and evil.

Caveat: If this was a Islamist terrorist attack and not your typical American gone nuts case. If it is the latter, then tabulate with Columbine High etc.

So what will your new flags be, Sir?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So what will your new flags be, Sir?

Time I paid my respects to Her Majesty ..... Union Jack I guess. True to my word I will request the admin to change my flags ....

@WebMaster I made a pledge to the forum that if the terrorists in California were Pakistani, or were of Pakistani descent I would change my flag. With regret they turned out to be Pakistan thus I am obliged to deliver on the pledge. Can you please change my Pak flag to UK. Thank you.

@Syed.Ali.Haider Request made as pledged.