12 U.S soldiers killed in Kabul explosion, numerous civilian deaths, Taliban fighters also killed. ISIS K attack.

[LeGenD]

Well, the Security of Kabul Airport the is direct responsibility of US and NATO forces including Turkey. All these A-Holes have MISERABLY FAILED !

Now, TB need to take stern action and ensure they completely encircle Kabul airport, and take over it completely.

Honestly this is a whole mark of CIA. I know it sounds strange that they would kill their own soldiers but hey when they can do a 9-11, they can easily do this sort of stuff.

Afghan Taliban are providing security outside Kabul Airport. Foreign troops are doing the same inside the Airport. Both are in touch with each other for security-related matters since day 1 of Afghan Taliban in Kabul.

Both had learned that ISIS-K is approaching Kabul Airport. Huge number of people had flooded Kabul Airport on the other hand. It wasn't easy to manage such a big crowd outside and inside the airport. Unfortunately.

ISIS-K are not amateurs. They are in the business of terrorism for a long time. They are responsible for some of the worst terrorist incidents in Afghanistan.

 

[VCheng]

General Wesley Clark just questioned why no one is talking about Pakistan, they are the best people to deal with situation in Pakistan.
CNN just did not entertain that question

There are continuous discussions with Pakistan, some of the outcomes of which we are already seeing.

 

[Verve]

ISIS-K are not amateurs. They are in the business of terrorism for a long time. They are responsible for some of the worst terrorist incidents in Afghanistan.

Yes, they are well trained by international agencies. One of the former presidents of Afghanistan informed the world in an interview that USA had airlifted ISIS inside Afghanistan and providing arms as well.

 

[LeGenD]

Yes, they are well trained by international agencies. One of the former presidents of Afghanistan informed the world in an interview that USA had airlifted ISIS inside Afghanistan and providing arms as well.

Sure, buddy.

Hamid Karzai accused Pakistan for harboring terrorists when he was working for Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/karzai-criticizes-pakistan-for-supporting-terrorists/2011/10/03/gIQAWABWIL_story.html

When he was removed from office by Americans in 2014, he accused his former overlords of bringing terrorists to Afghanistan to appease Russians. Anything for cash I suppose?

His theory is debunked in following response: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/breaking-news-huge-explosion-at-kabul-airport.721499/post-13303726

He is a politician and opportunist. He will say anything at any point in time if it serves his political chances. Cash matters too.

Take your pick now.

 

[Verve]

Sure, buddy.

Hamid Karzai accused Pakistan for harboring terrorists when he was working for Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/karzai-criticizes-pakistan-for-supporting-terrorists/2011/10/03/gIQAWABWIL_story.html

When he was removed from office by Americans in 2014, he accused his former overlords of bringing terrorists to Afghanistan to appease Russians. Anything for cash I suppose?

His theory is debunked in following response: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/breaking-news-huge-explosion-at-kabul-airport.721499/post-13303726

He is a politician and opportunist. He will say anything at any point in time if it serves his political chances. Cash matters too.

Take your pick now.

Knew you would come back with the usual 'USA is not involved in any way with ISIS' narrative ... now watch this with pictures of ISIS fighters being rescued by Afghan Army and ISIS heads with NDS lot. Now you will claim that USA was utterly oblivious to Afghan Army and NDS being in bed with ISIS! Sure sure ... go ahead! Karzai gave an interview to Russian channel - he was US planted so you can't equate that to him barking against Pakistan!

 

[LeGenD]

Knew you would come back with the usual 'USA is not involved in any way with ISIS' narrative ... now watch this with pictures of ISIS fighters being rescued by Afghan Army and ISIS heads with NDS lot. Now you will claim that USA was utterly oblivious to Afghan Army and NDS being in bed with ISIS! Sure sure ... go ahead! Karzai gave an interview to Russian channel - he was US planted so you can't equate that to him barking against Pakistan!

FYI

ISIS loses more than half its fighters from US airstrikes and Taliban ground operations

Col. Sonny Leggett, a spokesman for U.S. Forces Afghanistan, tweeted early Thursday morning that airstrikes on Wednesday killed three ISIS fighters in Kunar Province and forced 34 ISIS militants to surrender to Afghan forces in Tswokey district.

www.militarytimes.com

Nangarhar province Archives - Khaama Press

www.khaama.com

Let me tell you something. YouTube is favorite destination of many people to create videos and seek fame and earnings from them.

 

[Verve]

FYI

ISIS loses more than half its fighters from US airstrikes and Taliban ground operations

Col. Sonny Leggett, a spokesman for U.S. Forces Afghanistan, tweeted early Thursday morning that airstrikes on Wednesday killed three ISIS fighters in Kunar Province and forced 34 ISIS militants to surrender to Afghan forces in Tswokey district.

www.militarytimes.com

Nangarhar province Archives - Khaama Press

www.khaama.com

Let me tell you something. YouTube is favorite destination of many people to create videos and seek fame and earnings from them.

and your sources are so reliable yes? Let me tell you something - mainstream media is full of fake news and propaganda! But you would believe Western media over information from retired Pakistani military officers/generals and even Pakistan's interior ministry and foreign office.

Debunk those pictures in this video with evidence of them being fake with your sources then!

US deployed over $100B of best in the world military hardware including intelligence equipment and had no idea how so many ISIS fighters ended up in Afghanistan DURING it's watch with 150,000 NATO troops on the ground, right? Now you will say that USA got it all wrong about the timing of Taliban's takeover of Kabul so wouldn't have known how ISIS or couldn't have stopped ISIS from gaining a stronghold in Afghanistan. Despite thousands of spy satellites and surveillance drones, ISIS beats USA!

 

[Adecypher]

Let me tell you something - mainstream media is full of fake news and propaganda! But you would believe Western media over information from retired Pakistani military officers/generals and even Pakistan's interior ministry and foreign office.

Sir some here take anything mainstream media says as Gospel knowing that they are tools to build ANY narrative to build a case …. Remember remember the WMD in Iraq which cost millions of innocent lives …

 

[PeaceGen]

At Least 169 Afghans Were Reportedly Killed In The Kabul Airport Attack

The massive evacuation effort in Afghanistan continues, just hours after a series of attacks at the Kabul airport left 13 U.S. troops and scores of Afghans dead, according to officials. (Image credit: Aamir Qureshi/AFP via Getty Images)

Local : 2021-08-27(Friday) 15:48:10
Found via nicer.app/news

Rest In Peace, and hopefully some Heavenly prosperity as well.
may your surviving family and friends find some closure with these events as well, hopefully soon. The casualties are in a much better place now, even better than what they were hoping to get after a long trip in an aircraft.

 

[LeGenD]

and your sources are so reliable yes? Let me tell you something - mainstream media is full of fake news and propaganda! But you would believe Western media over information from retired Pakistani military officers/generals and even Pakistan's interior ministry and foreign office.

Debunk those pictures in this video with evidence of them being fake with your sources then!

None of these are 'my' sources and nor I claim ownership of them. You will find 'conflicting accounts' of virtually any 'event of significance' in current times. It takes time for the Fog to clear and ground realities to be apparent. Even then, people will have difference of opinion over any theme.

A lot have happened in the past 20 years in the region. India being a regional spoiler and NDS/RAW collaborations to damage Pakistan are well-known developments. They might/would have recruited some of the TTP and ISIS-K 'captives' to do their bidding with promises to pardon them. They might/would have Faked events to malign Pakistan. India definitely wants USA, Pakistan and Afghanistan to continue to fight each other and create events in this capacity. This was not the angle and theme I was looking into when I responded to your quotes.

The focal point of my debate with you is the credibility of Hamid Karzai. He have accused both Pakistan and USA of supporting terrorists on different occasions. I do not find this man convincing. He is a shrewd politician though - I give you this.

The video (shared by you) shows clip(s) of ANDSF arresting members of ISIS-K after a battle which took place in Kunar province. Afghan Taliban also fought ISIS-K in the same region. This much is clear to me.

The confusing part is that the narrator of the video (shared by you) is asserting that the ANDSF rescued ISIS-K from Afghan Taliban. The links that I have posted contradict this view however.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1232949590384693249

ISIS loses more than half its fighters from US airstrikes and Taliban ground operations

Col. Sonny Leggett, a spokesman for U.S. Forces Afghanistan, tweeted early Thursday morning that airstrikes on Wednesday killed three ISIS fighters in Kunar Province and forced 34 ISIS militants to surrender to Afghan forces in Tswokey district.

www.militarytimes.com

Another related account in following link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/22/taliban-isis-drones-afghanistan/

So how can WE be sure that the narrator of the video (shared by you) is absolutely correct and every other account on the web is False?

I respect what you shared with me but this matter should be looked into from multiple sources. This is my stance and position.

Anybody can give his own spin to any story in this day and age. Media sources are questionable around in the world - unfortunately.

The narrator of the video (shared by you) was also surprised to note that Joe Biden did not declare Afghan Taliban terrorists. Does he even know that the US Department of State never declared Afghan Taliban as a terrorist organization to begin with?

Foreign Terrorist Organizations - United States Department of State

Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) are foreign organizations that are designated by the Secretary of State in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended. FTO designations play a critical role in our fight against terrorism and are an effective means...

www.state.gov

The war in Afghanistan was fought to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network. Afghan Taliban-led government was toppled as well for supporting Al-Qaeda Network but Afghan Taliban were not primary targets of Americans. The door to negotiations with Afghan Taliban was kept open by not declaring this entity a terrorist organization. Northern Alliance? Now these people had their own axe to grind against Afghan Taliban.

 

[Adecypher]

BTW now it occurred to me how sinister was the original plan by the "chaos creators"; you ALL remember when Taliban was requested to extend few weeks in September for the evacuation of Afghans from Kabul airport ... it was so that a terrorist attack similar to one like yesterday was carried out on September 11 so that giving a designed forced justification for US to again start a formal WOT 2.0 with stronger resolve ... my goodness ...

Note: Hello to the guest on this thread ...

 

[Verve]

The focal point of my debate with you is the credibility of Hamid Karzai.

It wasn't mine! I just added that info but you made it the focal point of your debate instead.

As for the surrender of 34 ISIS fighters, the other story is that they surrendered to ANA to escape Taliban's onslaught and as seen in videos they were lifted out of area by ANA helis (without a single in handcuffs!).

 

[LeGenD]

It wasn't mine! I just added that info but you made it the focal point of your debate instead.

As for the surrender of 34 ISIS fighters, the other story is that they surrendered to ANA to escape Taliban's onslaught and as seen in videos they were lifted out of area by ANA helis (without a single in handcuffs!).

OK.

No, that is not correct. I have rechecked the video you shared to make sure I am not misreading events.

The narrator of the video (shared by you) showed clip(s) of ISIS-K fighters who surrendered to ANDSF in Jowzjan Province in 2018. These were 200 in total.

At Least 200 IS Fighters 'Surrender' In Afghanistan

www.rferl.org

Now here is more to this same story/event. ISIS-K in Jowzjan was being led by Qari Hekmat. This man was a tactician and had defeated Afghan Taliban in some regions before. CIA/USA eliminated him in 2018 to help Afghan Taliban rout ISIS-K in Jowzjan province.

Islamic State Local Commander 'Killed In Afghan Air Strikes'

A local commander of the Islamic State (IS) extremist group has been killed by Afghan security forces in the northern province of Jawzjan, Afghan officials say.

gandhara.rferl.org

https://twitter.com/x/status/982518261031022592

ISIS fighters surrender to Afghan forces in Jowzjan province

A large number of Islamic State-Khorasan Province fighters surrendered to Afghan forces in Jowzjan province, a spokesperson for the US and NATO mission in Afghanistan said

www.thedefensepost.com

"The Taliban are fighting ISIS, and we encourage that because ISIS needs to be destroyed." - General John Nicholson, the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

So? Information of the source MilitaryTimes is validated here which I posted earlier.

Mawlavi Habib Ur Rehman was also among these people.

Senior ISIS leader surrender to Afghan forces with his 152 fighters - Khaama Press

The largest online news service for Afghanistan

www.khaama.com

His photo in Jowzjan province was originally shown by VOA in following link:

Page doesn't exist

English news from the Voice of America. VOA news provides coverage from around the world and learning English lessons from VOA Special English.

www.voanews.com

Now the interesting part is this:

Are ISIS Fighters Prisoners or Honored Guests of the Afghan Government? (Published 2018)

Targeted by the Taliban in northern Afghanistan, the Islamic State militants turned themselves into the government, but many civilians are furious at what they see as lenient treatment.

www.nytimes.com

So it looks like Ashraf Ghani had something in his mind.

Ashraf Ghani and Amrullah Saleh - these two people are responsible for damaging Afghanistan - Pakistan relations to large extent. These two are well-known Indian lapdogs, or were in Indian pockets.

Now here is further food for thought:

1. Could it be that Americans were frustrated with the Ghani-Saleh duo as well? Why would Biden administration ditch this duo in a heart beat lately?

2. ANDSF folded to Afghan Taliban in a span of days while serving the Ghani-Saleh duo. It seems like ANDSF had no motivation to fight for this duo?

Pakistan brought Afghan Taliban and USA to the negotiation table, and this was the turning point of events in Afghanistan in favor of Pakistan. This is our success story.

- - - - -

Following are older but related contents which capture history of ISIS-K:

Islamic State Khorasan (IS-K) | Terrorism Backgrounders | CSIS

TNT Terrorism Backgrounder

www.csis.org

In the end, I would say that Allah Almighty knows best.

 

[PeaceGen]

US military conducts airstrike against ISIS-K planner

The US has conducted an airstrike against an ISIS-K planner, US Central Command said in a statement Friday.

edition.cnn.com

it's always good to hear of swift justice, if you ask me.

 

[Globenim]

US military conducts airstrike against ISIS-K planner

The US has conducted an airstrike against an ISIS-K planner, US Central Command said in a statement Friday.

edition.cnn.com

it's always good to hear of swift justice, if you ask me.

The U.S. regime claiming they bombed someone is never justice. A thief robbing from a thief isnt justice. A murderer murdering another murderer isnt justice.

But nevermind that. Going by Americas record they just bombed some civilians to save face. Knowingly or unknowingly. The fact they were unable to forcast or prevent this attack in first place casts doubt on their ability or concern to actually track down the alleged perpetrators and locate them within days on top of all that.