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1000 women killed in Pak every year by relatives(father/bro).Can the licence to kill be revoked?

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Qandeel was great lady of 21st century Pak. It seems she was very intelligent women.
she gave hope to millions of women in Pak on how to beat nepotism corruption and favouritism of elite Pak class. She did earn money by showing her style, flash and dance as other actress of India/Pak r doing , But there r distinction among other showbiz women and Qandeel. she was not born in rich family she made her fortunate by herself. Swimming against the current, Qandeel have had to speak louder to get their voices heard. In the words of Other Indian and Pak established appreciated actresses, she have had to create a room of their own without getting access to showbiz world.

Qandeel begins in Punjab during the Reign of Terror and religious restrictions in most poor area of South Punjab, with the incarcerated cultural thoughts (imposed by rich class on poor that dont deviate from accepted behaviour of poor) and her desire to beat , she penning a story about the women desire among youth of Pak, a ravishing young nation who meets the preeminent sadist poor Qandeel in there internet.


Crimes against women

Can the licence to kill be revoked?
“Honour killings” can be stopped only by scrapping religiously inspired laws
From the print edition
20160723_ASP002_0.jpg


FEW Pakistanis have broken taboos as gleefully as Qandeel Baloch, a social-media star who used the internet to titillate and scandalise her fellow citizens. The 26-year-old (pictured with her iPhone), whose real name was Fauzia Azeem, twerked on camera, posted suggestive selfies and mocked the mullahs who police the social boundaries of a Muslim-majority nation that has become more religiously conservative over the years. It was too much for many, including her brother, who strangled Ms Baloch after drugging her to sleep. Waseem Azeem proudly admitted his crime: “She was bringing disrepute to our family’s honour.” He has been arrested on suspicion of murder. Ms Baloch’s funeral (pictured) was held on July 17th.

So-called “honour killings” are rarely so sensational. But nor are they rare. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan tallied 1,096 female victims of them last year. Many go unreported to the police. Cases in the past three months include a 19-year-old girl burned to cinders for refusing a marriage proposal; a 16-year-old girl who met a similar fate for helping a friend elope; and an 18-year-old killed by her mother for marrying a man from a different ethnic group against her family’s will.


Such atrocities are widely accepted. At a recent screening of “A Girl in the River”, an acclaimed documentary about honour killing, male students at a leading university applauded an interview with a man who was unrepentant about trying to kill his daughter for entering a “love marriage”.

The problem is rooted in tribal and cultural traditions at odds with young women in a growing middle class who increasingly wish to choose their own husbands. Often such killings will be agreed beforehand at a gathering of local men.

20160723_ASP003_0.jpg
She mocked the mullahs. She died
Pakistan’s mullahs are united in declaring that Islam condemns such murders. But this clerical consensus frays when it comes to the sharia-inspired laws of qisas (retribution) and diyat (blood money) that enable men to get away with it. Introduced in 1990, the laws allow the heirs of murder victims to decide whether killers should suffer qisas or be pardoned, sometimes having paid diyat. Since most honour killings are premeditated conspiracies involving entire families, charges are often dropped even before the case goes to court.

Mr Azeem, however, may not dodge punishment. His distraught father vowed not to forgive the killer of a daughter who was financially supporting the family. And the local police have taken the unusual step of bringing the case themselves. But rights activists say that is no guarantee against a court later agreeing to a forgiveness deal. Families come under immense pressure to pardon honour-killers.

Pakistan’s clerical establishment is loth to endorse change. A bill in 2004 to reform the law was “severely mutilated”, says the Aurat Foundation, a human-rights group. Reforms proposed in 2015 that would make honour-killers serve at least seven years in jail, even if pardoned, have gone nowhere.

But there is now an encouraging sign: a private member’s bill to make such crimes “non-compoundable”, meaning that families would no longer be able to forgive each other, is expected to be presented to parliament for debate within weeks. It had long languished in limbo, even after Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister, vowed in January to crack down on honour killings after “A Girl in the River” was nominated for an Oscar, which it then won. Now the government appears to be backing it.

But Mr Sharif has been beset by corruption allegations, by disputes with the army and by open-heart surgery. While the leading clerical party, the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islami (JUI), has only 13 seats, Mr Sharif values its support at a shaky time and may be wary of pushing through a new law.

The bill’s sponsors think the JUI may be persuaded that honour killings are an abuse ofsharia concepts that were intended to resolve tribal wars, not to provide cover to murderers. But the mullahs may still balk if they believe reform is part of a “Western agenda” epitomised for many by the outrageous Ms Baloch.

From the print edition: Asia
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...=scn/fb/te/pe/ed/canthelicencetokillberevoked

Qandeel was nothing but a dumb women

She was one of the greatest women of PAk. If i would be a writer I would write a great commentary on her life struggle for immense success to win the nobel prize.Name of Qandeel will be here in tomorrow's history and those calling her dumb will be forgeten forever.
 
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Qandeel was great lady of 21st century Pak. It seems she was very intelligent women.
she gave hope to millions of women in Pak on how to beat nepotism corruption and favouritism of elite Pak class. She did earn money by showing her style, flash and dance as other actress of India/Pak r doing , But there r distinction among other showbiz women and Qandeel. she was not born in rich family she made her fortunate by herself. Swimming against the current, Qandeel have had to speak louder to get their voices heard. In the words of Other Indian and Pak established appreciated actresses, she have had to create a room of their own without getting access to showbiz world.

Qandeel begins in Punjab during the Reign of Terror and religious restrictions in most poor area of South Punjab, with the incarcerated cultural thoughts (imposed by rich class on poor that dont deviate from accepted behaviour of poor) and her desire to beat , she penning a story about the women desire among youth of Pak, a ravishing young nation who meets the preeminent sadist poor Qandeel in there internet.


Crimes against women

Can the licence to kill be revoked?
“Honour killings” can be stopped only by scrapping religiously inspired laws
From the print edition
20160723_ASP002_0.jpg


FEW Pakistanis have broken taboos as gleefully as Qandeel Baloch, a social-media star who used the internet to titillate and scandalise her fellow citizens. The 26-year-old (pictured with her iPhone), whose real name was Fauzia Azeem, twerked on camera, posted suggestive selfies and mocked the mullahs who police the social boundaries of a Muslim-majority nation that has become more religiously conservative over the years. It was too much for many, including her brother, who strangled Ms Baloch after drugging her to sleep. Waseem Azeem proudly admitted his crime: “She was bringing disrepute to our family’s honour.” He has been arrested on suspicion of murder. Ms Baloch’s funeral (pictured) was held on July 17th.

So-called “honour killings” are rarely so sensational. But nor are they rare. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan tallied 1,096 female victims of them last year. Many go unreported to the police. Cases in the past three months include a 19-year-old girl burned to cinders for refusing a marriage proposal; a 16-year-old girl who met a similar fate for helping a friend elope; and an 18-year-old killed by her mother for marrying a man from a different ethnic group against her family’s will.


Such atrocities are widely accepted. At a recent screening of “A Girl in the River”, an acclaimed documentary about honour killing, male students at a leading university applauded an interview with a man who was unrepentant about trying to kill his daughter for entering a “love marriage”.

The problem is rooted in tribal and cultural traditions at odds with young women in a growing middle class who increasingly wish to choose their own husbands. Often such killings will be agreed beforehand at a gathering of local men.

20160723_ASP003_0.jpg
She mocked the mullahs. She died
Pakistan’s mullahs are united in declaring that Islam condemns such murders. But this clerical consensus frays when it comes to the sharia-inspired laws of qisas (retribution) and diyat (blood money) that enable men to get away with it. Introduced in 1990, the laws allow the heirs of murder victims to decide whether killers should suffer qisas or be pardoned, sometimes having paid diyat. Since most honour killings are premeditated conspiracies involving entire families, charges are often dropped even before the case goes to court.

Mr Azeem, however, may not dodge punishment. His distraught father vowed not to forgive the killer of a daughter who was financially supporting the family. And the local police have taken the unusual step of bringing the case themselves. But rights activists say that is no guarantee against a court later agreeing to a forgiveness deal. Families come under immense pressure to pardon honour-killers.

Pakistan’s clerical establishment is loth to endorse change. A bill in 2004 to reform the law was “severely mutilated”, says the Aurat Foundation, a human-rights group. Reforms proposed in 2015 that would make honour-killers serve at least seven years in jail, even if pardoned, have gone nowhere.

But there is now an encouraging sign: a private member’s bill to make such crimes “non-compoundable”, meaning that families would no longer be able to forgive each other, is expected to be presented to parliament for debate within weeks. It had long languished in limbo, even after Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister, vowed in January to crack down on honour killings after “A Girl in the River” was nominated for an Oscar, which it then won. Now the government appears to be backing it.

But Mr Sharif has been beset by corruption allegations, by disputes with the army and by open-heart surgery. While the leading clerical party, the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islami (JUI), has only 13 seats, Mr Sharif values its support at a shaky time and may be wary of pushing through a new law.

The bill’s sponsors think the JUI may be persuaded that honour killings are an abuse ofsharia concepts that were intended to resolve tribal wars, not to provide cover to murderers. But the mullahs may still balk if they believe reform is part of a “Western agenda” epitomised for many by the outrageous Ms Baloch.

From the print edition: Asia
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...=scn/fb/te/pe/ed/canthelicencetokillberevoked
Qandeel was nothing but a dumb women. Yes her brother had no right to kill her but state should have done their job and stopped her from all kinds of media and put her in some sort of counselling
 
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Qandeel was great lady of 21st century Pak. It seems she was very intelligent women.
she gave hope to millions of women in Pak on how to beat nepotism corruption and favouritism of elite Pak class. She did earn money by showing her style, flash and dance as other actress of India/Pak r doing , But there r distinction among other showbiz women and Qandeel. she was not born in rich family she made her fortunate by herself. Swimming against the current, Qandeel have had to speak louder to get their voices heard. In the words of Other Indian and Pak established appreciated actresses, she have had to create a room of their own without getting access to showbiz world.

Qandeel begins in Punjab during the Reign of Terror and religious restrictions in most poor area of South Punjab, with the incarcerated cultural thoughts (imposed by rich class on poor that dont deviate from accepted behaviour of poor) and her desire to beat , she penning a story about the women desire among youth of Pak, a ravishing young nation who meets the preeminent sadist poor Qandeel in there internet.


Crimes against women

Can the licence to kill be revoked?
“Honour killings” can be stopped only by scrapping religiously inspired laws
From the print edition
20160723_ASP002_0.jpg


FEW Pakistanis have broken taboos as gleefully as Qandeel Baloch, a social-media star who used the internet to titillate and scandalise her fellow citizens. The 26-year-old (pictured with her iPhone), whose real name was Fauzia Azeem, twerked on camera, posted suggestive selfies and mocked the mullahs who police the social boundaries of a Muslim-majority nation that has become more religiously conservative over the years. It was too much for many, including her brother, who strangled Ms Baloch after drugging her to sleep. Waseem Azeem proudly admitted his crime: “She was bringing disrepute to our family’s honour.” He has been arrested on suspicion of murder. Ms Baloch’s funeral (pictured) was held on July 17th.

So-called “honour killings” are rarely so sensational. But nor are they rare. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan tallied 1,096 female victims of them last year. Many go unreported to the police. Cases in the past three months include a 19-year-old girl burned to cinders for refusing a marriage proposal; a 16-year-old girl who met a similar fate for helping a friend elope; and an 18-year-old killed by her mother for marrying a man from a different ethnic group against her family’s will.


Such atrocities are widely accepted. At a recent screening of “A Girl in the River”, an acclaimed documentary about honour killing, male students at a leading university applauded an interview with a man who was unrepentant about trying to kill his daughter for entering a “love marriage”.

The problem is rooted in tribal and cultural traditions at odds with young women in a growing middle class who increasingly wish to choose their own husbands. Often such killings will be agreed beforehand at a gathering of local men.

20160723_ASP003_0.jpg
She mocked the mullahs. She died
Pakistan’s mullahs are united in declaring that Islam condemns such murders. But this clerical consensus frays when it comes to the sharia-inspired laws of qisas (retribution) and diyat (blood money) that enable men to get away with it. Introduced in 1990, the laws allow the heirs of murder victims to decide whether killers should suffer qisas or be pardoned, sometimes having paid diyat. Since most honour killings are premeditated conspiracies involving entire families, charges are often dropped even before the case goes to court.

Mr Azeem, however, may not dodge punishment. His distraught father vowed not to forgive the killer of a daughter who was financially supporting the family. And the local police have taken the unusual step of bringing the case themselves. But rights activists say that is no guarantee against a court later agreeing to a forgiveness deal. Families come under immense pressure to pardon honour-killers.

Pakistan’s clerical establishment is loth to endorse change. A bill in 2004 to reform the law was “severely mutilated”, says the Aurat Foundation, a human-rights group. Reforms proposed in 2015 that would make honour-killers serve at least seven years in jail, even if pardoned, have gone nowhere.

But there is now an encouraging sign: a private member’s bill to make such crimes “non-compoundable”, meaning that families would no longer be able to forgive each other, is expected to be presented to parliament for debate within weeks. It had long languished in limbo, even after Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister, vowed in January to crack down on honour killings after “A Girl in the River” was nominated for an Oscar, which it then won. Now the government appears to be backing it.

But Mr Sharif has been beset by corruption allegations, by disputes with the army and by open-heart surgery. While the leading clerical party, the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islami (JUI), has only 13 seats, Mr Sharif values its support at a shaky time and may be wary of pushing through a new law.

The bill’s sponsors think the JUI may be persuaded that honour killings are an abuse ofsharia concepts that were intended to resolve tribal wars, not to provide cover to murderers. But the mullahs may still balk if they believe reform is part of a “Western agenda” epitomised for many by the outrageous Ms Baloch.

From the print edition: Asia
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...=scn/fb/te/pe/ed/canthelicencetokillberevoked



She was one of the greatest women of PAk. If i would be a writer I would write a great commentary on her life struggle for immense success to win the nobel prize.Name of Qandeel will be here in tomorrow's history and those calling her dumb will be forgeten forever.
It was wrong and mistakes were from all corners and it wasn't honour killing but some ground want to make it other wise
 
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I'm very much opposed to dis-"Honor Killings" but with a similar population ...
I don't think that if I were a woman, I'd feel all that much more secure in Brazil!

So ... you know...

Pakistan is no paradise but sh1t goes on elsewhere too so moot thread point!
IMHoO of course!

Just sayin', Tay.
 
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Qandeel was great lady of 21st century Pak.
WHAT THE F..... :woot: for god sake just stop it already yes no one had the right to murder her no matter what but please stop saying things like this she's dead i don't want to use any harsh words or anything but please stop it :hitwall: @Moonlight
 
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Qandeel was nothing but a dumb women. Yes her brother had no right to kill her but state should have done their job and stopped her from all kinds of media and put her in some sort of counselling
If she broke any law then that would have called for "state" to interfere and i don't think she broke any. Yes she didn't act very smart on many occasions, but then again she was no different than any other ordinary Pakistani......Acting out on media kind of worked out for her and she made it her source of living...........Meera and Veena have done worst, but they have played it smart. Look at Veena after her nude fotoshoot she posts pictures from Kaaba.:o:
 
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Perhaps we need to make it clear or easier to understand the sharia laws of qisas (retribution) and diyat (blood money) this should be done by the supreme court and Islamic scholars - than enforce it properly by ALL!
 
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If she broke any law then that would have called for "state" to interfere and i don't think she broke any. Yes she didn't act very smart on many occasions, but then again she was no different than any other ordinary Pakistani......Acting out on media kind of worked out for her and she made it her source of living...........Meera and Veena have done worst, but they have played it smart. Look at Veena after her nude fotoshoot she posts pictures from Kaaba.:o:
In Islam the crap she was doing not only is forbidden but a punishable offense. So if state won't stop these things which is their duty in Islam than people will do it. So better it state wakes up
 
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“Honour killings” can be stopped only by scrapping religiously inspired laws

Honour killing has nothing to do with Islam. there is no such thing as honour killing in Islam.
Its purely cultural tradition. Also, the heading of this article shows the ignorance and bias of the writer towards Islam.
It has become a norm in western media to associate everything that happens in Muslim countries or done by Muslims as a a part of Islam or inspired by Islam.
All the Muslim countries at present had their own cultures before Islam and they carry many of those traditions even today regardless of the fact they are Islamic or not.
 
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WHAT THE F..... :woot: for god sake just stop it already yes no one had the right to murder her no matter what but please stop saying things like this she's dead i don't want to use any harsh words or anything but please stop it :hitwall: @Moonlight

Dude is already banned. Otherwise I would have say him something.
 
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