10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

[Philip the Arab]

like what am I looking at? for all I know that's just a cardboard model. name? spec?

Sorry, I read about these a long time ago but I can link some stuff for you.


https://www.flightglobal.com/picture-taiwan-unveils-brave-eagle-ajt/134457.article


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/taiwan-aesa-radar-challenge-international-market-share-36867


https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2..._Radar_Systems_To_Tackle_Chinese_Fighter_Jets

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https://alert5.com/2017/02/07/taiwan-reveals-indigenous-aesa-radar/&psig=AOvVaw3OU_bXxAMwEaaWy3VNYdVH&ust=1593395790611000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjhxqFwoTCNCuvYm0o-oCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAM



http://www.ncsist.org.tw/eng/csistdup/products/catelogs_Middle.aspx?catelog_Id=10

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Sorry, I read about these a long time ago but I can link some stuff for you.

so they claim to have come out with a demonstration AESA model - not yet deployed - and a trainer jet. nobody really knows what they really have. Taiwan doesn't even have a domestic car brand better than the Yugo just as comparison.

is this suppose to be impressive?

and you're quoting some neocon blog? lol.

 

[Philip the Arab]

so they claim to have come out with a demonstration AESA model - not yet deployed - and a trainer jet. nobody really knows what they really have. Taiwan doesn't even have a domestic car brand better than the Yugo just as comparison.

is this suppose to be impressive?

and you're quoting some neocon blog? lol.

They have good radars, that AESA is being built and that jet is not just a trainer. It is being made as a fighter as well to replace the F-5.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

They have good radars, that AESA is being built and that jet is not just a trainer. It is being made as a fighter as well to replace the F-5.

F-5 is a piece of shit and so is that trainer. there's no evidence for that AESA being built, it's just vaporware like the Foxconn facility in Wisconsin anounced in 2017 and which is still an empty hole in the ground.

the Tron website does not even have a product specification page.

 

[Philip the Arab]

F-5 is a piece of shit and so is that trainer. there's no evidence for that AESA being built, it's just vaporware like the Foxconn facility in Wisconsin anounced in 2017 and which is still an empty hole in the ground.

the Tron website does not even have a product specification page.

For a country their size of 23 million they have an impressive defense industry. Come on, just admit that they have a fairly good defense industry.

Here is their clamed AESA modules
http://www.ncsist.org.tw/eng/csistdup/products/product.aspx?product_Id=279&catalog=41


They also produce their own LRSAM

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

For a country their size of 23 million they have an impressive defense industry. Come on, just admit that they have a fairly good defense industry.

why do you need to beg me to admit to something? I don't need to admit to anything, I'm not wrong. since they still use WW2 era submarines and 1970's destroyers for their navy, if they could manufacture AESA radars for aircraft, they could also update their navy much easier since naval radar doesn't have as many size/power constraints. but since they don't, it's safe to say they can't.

 

[Philip the Arab]

why do you need to beg me to admit to something? I don't need to admit to anything, I'm not wrong. since they still use WW2 era submarines and 1970's destroyers for their navy, if they could manufacture AESA radars for aircraft, they could also update their navy much easier since naval radar doesn't have as many size/power constraints. but since they don't, it's safe to say they can't.

I think they recognize that their navy will be fairly useless compared to their army, and air force. And their budget isn't anywhere close to mainland China's so they have to try their best to compete with mainland China's however they see fit.

They have more of a defense industry than most countries in Europe, I'd say that's pretty good myself. If you want to see these images just replay to me, and it should show up.

 

[Beast]

For a country their size of 23 million they have an impressive defense industry. Come on, just admit that they have a fairly good defense industry.

Here is their clamed AESA modules
http://www.ncsist.org.tw/eng/csistdup/products/product.aspx?product_Id=279&catalog=41


They also produce their own LRSAM

Taiwan defence is no good. I dont know what you are smoking. IF Taiwan without US military support, it will be worst off than Vietnam defence.

 

[Figaro]

Taiwan defence is no good. I dont know what you are smoking. IF Taiwan without US military support, it will be worst off than Vietnam defence.

Invading Taiwan would be considerably more difficult than invading Vietnam. And Taiwanese troops have superior military training than those of the Vietnamese ... I don't think China should underestimate the ROK military.

Sorry, I read about these a long time ago but I can link some stuff for you.


https://www.flightglobal.com/picture-taiwan-unveils-brave-eagle-ajt/134457.article


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/taiwan-aesa-radar-challenge-international-market-share-36867


https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2..._Radar_Systems_To_Tackle_Chinese_Fighter_Jets

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https://alert5.com/2017/02/07/taiwan-reveals-indigenous-aesa-radar/&psig=AOvVaw3OU_bXxAMwEaaWy3VNYdVH&ust=1593395790611000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjhxqFwoTCNCuvYm0o-oCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAM



http://www.ncsist.org.tw/eng/csistdup/products/catelogs_Middle.aspx?catelog_Id=10

You are quoting a laundry list of crappy websites that have been discounted by PLA watchers observers for many years already.

 

[Beast]

Invading Taiwan would be considerably more difficult than invading Vietnam. And Taiwanese troops have superior military training than those of the Vietnamese ... I don't think China should underestimate the ROK military.

I need to disagree with you on training parts of ROC military.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/07/02/2003650166

https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/201208030014

Taiwanese detest national military call up so much that they voted for party abolished it. Their conscript moral are very low. Those join military as career merely take it as a job that paid rather than the desire to defend Taiwan.

I can be sure, they will drop their weapon when they see PLA soldiers coming on shore of Taiwan coast.

 

[Figaro]

I need to disagree with you on training parts of ROC military.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/07/02/2003650166

https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/201208030014

Taiwanese detest national military call up so much that they voted for party abolished it. Their conscript moral are very low. Those join military as career merely take it as a job that paid rather than the desire to defend Taiwan.

I can be sure, they will drop their weapon when they see PLA soldiers coming on shore of Taiwan coast.

The South Korean military is also conscription based and their soldiers are still trained very well. Conscription alone does not always mean poor training or even poor morale. I really don't see any ROC soldiers surrendering en-masse should a Chinese land invasion occur ... this is not the Chinese Civil War. If anything, I expect the ROC soldiers to probably fight to the last man in the initial stages, with more surrendering only later on in the war. Never underestimate your opponent.

 

[Beast]

The South Korean military is also conscription based and their soldiers are still trained very well. Conscription alone does not always mean poor training or even poor morale. I really don't see any ROC soldiers surrendering en-masse should a Chinese land invasion occur ... this is not the Chinese Civil War. If anything, I expect the ROC soldiers to probably fight to the last man in the initial stages, with more surrendering only later on in the war. Never underestimate your opponent.

Did South Korean ever talk about abolishing conscript system or even serious about abolishing it? SK facing NK in mind knows they need to keep conscript.

While Taiwanese know is hopeless case against PLA , no matter what they. They have recently abolish conscript even though they know they need a strong military against PLA. Their military morale is very low when talk about taking on PLA. They know they have no hope and pit all their hope on US. So any training by them is useless.

 

[Figaro]

Did South Korean ever talk about abolishing conscript system or even serious about abolishing it? SK facing NK in mind knows they need to keep conscript.

While Taiwanese know is hopeless case against PLA , no matter what they. They have recently abolish conscript even though they know they need a strong military against PLA.

I don't think the Taiwanese know it is hopeless. Sure if it was just Taiwan versus the PLA it would be hopeless. But Taiwan knows it will be defended by the United States.

 

[Beast]

I don't think the Taiwanese know it is hopeless. Sure if it was just Taiwan versus the PLA it would be hopeless. But Taiwan knows it will be defended by the United States.

You think US will fight for Taiwan and start WWIII? I have chat with Taiwanese ex conscript. All they think of is getting medical excuse to excuse themselves from combat duty. They feel no pride doing best for Taiwan military.

 

[Figaro]

You think US will fight for Taiwan and start WWIII? I have chat with Taiwanese ex conscript. All they think of is getting medical excuse to excuse themselves from combat duty. They feel no pride doing best for Taiwan military.

If China attacks first, then yes. If the US doesn't even defend Taiwan in face of a Chinese attack, how would its other allies expect it to do so? NATO would collapse if this was the case ...