10 AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters reportedly delivered to Pakistan

[BHarwana]

It will be decided of September 5th that they are coming or not. Lol the last leverage that USA has

 

[Incog_nito]

I hope that if Trump goes easy with Pakistan then we might see some more being ordered by the Army soon.

 

[Zarvan]

Handed over but in storage pending outstanding payments I believe.

Also possible PA may want them all shipped in one go.

What I am hearing is Payment not a issue but our structure for them is not ready yet but soon will be completed

 

[Metanoia]

@Oscar or anyone else, will these AH-1Zs be primarily used for COIN or they are for more conventional purposes vis-a-vis india? What kind of "boost" are we looking at with these new additions?

 

[CHI RULES]

Sell these to any country in North America or South America and get money , add to DAM fund
These 10 units won't make much difference

These choppers are expandable if we attain them sell them if the indeed arrived

If we can recover 800-900 Million from these chopper sale Pakistan would appreciate getting money back

Despite restrictions US tech has so far no match in the world in most cases, the hell fire we may get if transaction is completed shall be of much worth in case of general defense ( especially for specific attacks on terrorist hide outs).

Sir there are other ways to collect money for DAM fund rather to sacrifice defense requirements.

Pak existing Cobra fleet is outdated or less effective meanwhile or Turkish Attack helicopter may also be delayed due to US sanctions on Turkey. We need some immediate actions to keep our enemy at bay.

 

[Gryphon]

@Oscar or anyone else, will these AH-1Zs be primarily used for COIN or they are for more conventional purposes vis-a-vis india? What kind of "boost" are we looking at with these new additions?

High-intensity COIN operations in Pakistan are winding down, terrorists no longer control the heights and the villages below, so usage of attack helicopters in FATA has almost ceased.

COIN has moved to low-intensity IBO/combing type operations, where you rarely need gunship support. With Mi-35M inducted, PA can insert troops while providing suppressive fire.

WoT sucked the life out of AH-1F Cobras, the Americans were aware these won't last long, so they allowed sale of 15x AH-1Z to Pakistan along with 1000x AGM-114R Hellfire missiles. That was 2015, now PA has achieved great success against terrorists, I believe attack helicopters should return to their original role, i.e., anti-tank.

There are 3 attack helicopter squadrons in PAA, operating a mix of AH-1F Cobras and JetRangers. The AH-1Z's are to be stationed in Multan, and probably the T129B ATAK's as well.

Each AH-1Z will carry 16x AGM-114R Hellfire missiles, which is a massive ATGM payload. For self defence, a couple of AIM-9 Sidewinder's can be loaded as well.

Personally, I would like a new attack helicopter squadron raised in Sindh, in support of the Karachi-based Mechanized Division. Buying 8 more Mi-35M wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[Maarkhoor]

What I am hearing is Payment not a issue but our structure for them is not ready yet but soon will be completed

We are operating Cobras since ages and I am 100% structure is not the problem, they are storing our helos in storage places.
Trump want us to pay with our money not FMF and in that case these helos are super expensive.

 

[Zarvan]

We are operating Cobras since ages and I am 100% structure is not the problem, they are storing our helos in storage places.
Trump want us to pay with our money not FMF and in that case these helos are super expensive.

We are creating new in Multan and one other spot those are not completed yet

 

[Maarkhoor]

We are creating new in Multan and one other spot those are not completed yet

Us stopped deliveries and ask made payment with your own money not with FMF.

 

[Zarvan]

Us stopped deliveries and ask made payment with your own money not with FMF.

No delievery has been stopped

 

[Maarkhoor]

No delievery has been stopped

Yes stopped, all helos sent in different storage facilities in US.

 

[YeBeWarned]

High-intensity COIN operations in Pakistan are winding down, terrorists no longer control the heights and the villages below, so usage of attack helicopters in FATA has almost ceased.

COIN has moved to low-intensity IBO/combing type operations, where you rarely need gunship support. With Mi-35M inducted, PA can insert troops while providing suppressive fire.

WoT sucked the life out of AH-1F Cobras, the Americans were aware these won't last long, so they allowed sale of 15x AH-1Z to Pakistan along with 1000x AGM-114R Hellfire missiles. That was 2015, now PA has achieved great success against terrorists, I believe attack helicopters should return to their original role, i.e., anti-tank.

There are 3 attack helicopter squadrons in PAA, operating a mix of AH-1F Cobras and JetRangers. The AH-1Z's are to be stationed in Multan, and probably the T129B ATAK's as well.

Each AH-1Z will carry 16x AGM-114R Hellfire missiles, which is a massive ATGM payload. For self defence, a couple of AIM-9 Sidewinder's can be loaded as well.

Personally, I would like a new attack helicopter squadron raised in Sindh, in support of the Karachi-based Mechanized Division. Buying 8 more Mi-35M wouldn't be a bad idea.

how about placing a mix sq of Mi35 and Zulu , along the Deserty Areas of Sindh, in case Indians push through their large tank formation , Zulu with Mi35 combine will decimate it even before it reach our forward posts ..

 

[Dreamer.]

We are creating new in Multan and one other spot those are not completed yet

It would be stupid to store our helicopters in U.S. for such a reason. I don't think this is the reason. Besides U.S. isn't so generous to store it for us if delivery is delayed from our end. They would charge us for the storage aswell. They were charging us for storing F-16's even though they were stopped by U.S. govt. We can only be sure we are getting them once they land in Pakistan.

 

[Thorough Pro]

They have gone back on their promises/agreements yet once again. Before they tell us they are not delivering them, we should tell them to shove them up their stinky arses. Even if we paid for them today, they will block the spares to tomorrow. Once a liar always a liar.

 

[ziaulislam]

I hope with New Govt things will get back to normal and better. David Hale gone with very good note and I think his brief back home put Gen Dunsford along with pompeo . If Mattis comes it would be very good means whole American establishment is here in Pak.Trump he is nobody.


We will get our Helis along with other goodies things will better after these visits.

i doubt it..congress is everything..and we have lost in congress