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Sometimes companies are fronts and they channel equipment and technology (China buys companies in the west and uses those too)

See our Island base is more to check China on the straits, but yes these things are done covertly and black market is definitely a option Pakistan has and perhaps still making use of this (I give you credit what you did in the 1980's) I still see a lease as the safer first option for Pakistan...

The steel is a special type of steel required it is hard to obtain we tried to get it from Russia at one point but had some issues (I am sure the Chinese have the know how and would sell it to you for sure) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HY-80

That is very unlikely that you will see a indigenous Pakistan submarine in 2 years, leasing one however is a option.

I know Pakistan conducted cold tests prior to doing the real one (you guys had the bomb back in the 80's we knew this too) Anyway I won't talk more about this. Bhaijan please you go first :enjoy:

These days with super computer modelling based on past test data we might be able to get away with conducting more tests (Although I have my doubts, I personally feel we need to do a few more in the future) but we need Japanese technology for our civilian program and they will run like the wind...

Even India will not be conducting more tests in the near future due to that pressure, we both still trying to get into the NSG and obtain civilian nuclear technology (the Japanese would run a mile if we did) :o:

2014 was a bad year I agree, one of those Kilo subs just had a upgrade (we spend millions on it) and due to the tragic accident (due to human error) we lost it and it costs lives. Operating submarines is not a easy task especially the nuclear kind it takes years of skill training and experience...

Our Navy is world class even most distinguished senior Pakistani members on PDF would give credit to the IN. Is JF-17 a bad fighter because it has had 2 crashes? no because there is always things outside our control or human error but learning is key.

You do realise that was a Russian submarine? :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_submarine_361 Accidents happen hence why they are called accidents but learning is key

When what happens?

@Stephen Cohen Yes I am aware we have the capabilities to produce the steel required domestically as well as the miniaturisation process. There is no shame in getting help this was our first project it is understandable the key now is making the future subs quieter as well as having a more...

http://rbth.com/international/2016/04/20/russia-india-and-china-seek-common-ground_586437 India China ties have moved on leaps and bounds in the last 2-3 years, also many think China is going to jump in and rescue Pakistan in a conflict but when Kargil happened the Chinese themselves issued a...

Recent sanctions by the US and Saudis on LET show world opinion rest with India. There is many things done in the background which is how they should be done. Lobbying and hitting them where it hurts is only going to increase pressure, look who is going to win the election in US? Hillary who...

$1 trillion housing industry in 3 years not including this year? You may want to post that link Debt servicing is a big issue for the economy in Pakistan, this year would be a crucial time when payments are due.

What a retarded thread lol this is some hogwash link

It is sickening really that if you twit something or put a message on fb you might be hacked to death.

It's the same in India where you have a congress govt people will talk about corruption etc and when bjp comes into power they will slander that party, but people should work for the nation not just look at party lines and divide the country in this way. The issue is not just development but...

I am sure if you access the websites like the ADB and type in Pakistan you will see all the projects they are funding, organisations have to have accountability even if they provide loans. World Bank also have a country list of projects they are funding. Corruption happens at a lower level when...

Another one? Bangladesh security?? non existent