PTI MPA submits resolution to make hijab compulsory

[VCheng]

yeh the Americans deserved Trump

Of course. Due process at work. But why go off topic? Trump has not called for hijab to be made compulsory, or outlawed in Pakistan, has he?

 

[Spring Onion]

Of course. Due process at work. But why go off topic? Trump has not called for hijab to be made compulsory, or outlawed in Pakistan, has he?

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[VCheng]

barnol lagao amreeki barnol

Does it help people stay on topic?


(Actually, Trump may not be a bad President after all. Give him some time, please.)

Back to the topic, steps like the one proposed and withdrawn by the MPA deserve serious consideration, if that is what a majority of the people want.

 

[hussain0216]

Bad idea, how will you tell the Faithfull from the skanks if you force everyone to dress up the same?

 

[Spring Onion]

Does it help people stay on topic?


(Actually, Trump may not be a bad President after all. Give him some time, please.)

Back to the topic, steps like the one proposed and withdrawn by the MPA deserve serious consideration, if that is what a majority of the people want.

i am very much on the topic. you said people get the government what they deserve and i agreed just giving you equally befitting example of what Americans got recently and at no point i declared him bad or good president. it is you who have such a feeling at the back of your mind.

 

[VCheng]

i am very much on the topic. you said people get the government what they deserve and i agreed just giving you equally befitting example of what Americans got recently and at no point i declared him bad or good president. it is you who have such a feeling at the back of your mind.

So do you agree (or not) that steps like the one proposed and withdrawn by the MPA deserve serious consideration, if that is what a majority of the people want? May be such a proposal should be tabled in Islamabad?

 

[Spring Onion]

So do you agree (or not) that steps like the one proposed and withdrawn by the MPA deserve serious consideration, if that is what a majority of the people want? May be such a proposal should be tabled in Islamabad?

i don't agree since one or even for that matter more the one MP desiring something does not mean it is what the majority want. also democratic system is kind of monopoly of a sort just like all other systems.

 

[VCheng]

i don't agree since one or even for that matter more the one MP desiring something does not mean it is what the majority want. also democratic system is kind of monopoly of a sort just like all other systems.

See, it is important to realize that the vast majority of people in Pakistan firmly express views that want Islam to rule over all matters of their lives, private and public. Assuming they are telling the truth, then it follows that denying such a vast majority their wish is bound to create issues. You and I may not agree with such steps (such as the one that created this thread), but if it truly represents the will of the people, then it should be allowed to happen, aided in fact. After all, look at Iran and its use of the chaddor as the approved garb for women there. Pakistan should seriously consider such steps that allow the people to feel that their voices matter. Even if the deep state does not want to allow this to happen, such small steps can at least create a more pliable environment overall.

 

[Spring Onion]

See, it is important to realize that the vast majority of people in Pakistan firmly express views that want Islam to rule over all matters of their lives, private and public. Assuming they are telling the truth, then it follows that denying such a vast majority their wish is bound to create issues. You and I may not agree with such steps (such as the one that created this thread), but if it truly represents the will of the people, then it should be allowed to happen, aided in fact. After all, look at Iran and its use of the chaddor as the approved garb for women there. Pakistan should seriously consider such steps that allow the people to feel that their voices matter. Even if the deep state does not want to allow this to happen, such small steps can at least create a more pliable environment overall.

My dear desi Amreeki majority of those who want this adopt it in their personal lives without the official imposition and those who do not want it they don't follow it simple as that.

Besides we have a system wrong or right /fair or unfair/transparent or otherwise that is another debate, so under this system of governance everyone has the right to present a resolution in the assemblies now it is up to the elected members to either veto it or pass it.

You can see this case which died even before coming to the voting .

 

[VCheng]

My dear desi Amreeki majority of those who want this adopt it in their personal lives without the official imposition and those who do not want it they don't follow it simple as that.

Besides we have a system wrong or right /fair or unfair/transparent or otherwise that is another debate, so under this system of governance everyone has the right to present a resolution in the assemblies now it is up to the elected members to either veto it or pass it.

You can see this case which died even before coming to the voting .

Except that official imposition of religion is a legal mandate in Pakistan, is it not? It creates the tools that can be used at any time by those in power. (Remember Zia's time?)

 

[Spring Onion]

Except that official imposition of religion is a legal mandate in Pakistan, is it not? It creates the tools that can be used at any time by those in power. (Remember Zia's time?)

boon or bane of a democracy as well. You like it or not a law is a law and you have to follow.

 

[VCheng]

boon or bane of a democracy as well. You like it or not a law is a law and you have to follow.

That is a good point. So if such a proposal becomes law, it must be followed. The process starts with such motions being tabled. May be next time it will not be withdrawn?

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Here is an older thread on the same demand:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-constitution-should-make-hijab-compulsory-ji.205547/

 

[Spring Onion]

That is a good point. So if such a proposal becomes law, it must be followed. The process starts with such motions being tabled. May be next time it will not be withdrawn?

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Here is an older thread on the same demand:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-constitution-should-make-hijab-compulsory-ji.205547/

what you say laws should be followed or not???

 

[VCheng]

what you say laws should be followed or not???

Due process and rule of law go hand in hand. Laws that violate due process and equality themselves are the problem. What would you say about the following comment (not mine) as it relates to the topic of this thread?

"Nothing should be ever forced on women, be it putting the hijab on or ripping it off. Women has the right to practice her human and Islamic code of conduct the way she wants. Those who want to make it compulsory are wrong and so are those who want to make it illegal be it in any geographical location.

Pakistani society for women is about Mothers, Daughters, Sisters , Wives , Aunts, Grand Mothers and they enjoy a great deal of respect. Having said that they are not just whats stated above, they are human too and therefore are entitled to exercise free will regardless of what side of political or religious spectrum it might be.

In Pakistan, if a women wants to exercise hijab, no one should have any issues, if she doesn't no one should have any issues because the person who has the business with it is just that female herself, her and only her has the right to choose to exercise or not exercise hijab. Asking it to make it constitutionally compulsory is taking away the right of free will from Pakistani women."

What about a law that violates this concept of free will, and/or equality for all?


(BTW, these are the words of a person in PDF management who strongly supports PTI, the party that tabled this motion, or at least did so once upon a time.)

 

[Zibago]

yeh the Americans deserved Trump

Hey their govt believes global warming is a Chinese conspiracy and their president,s fav anchor is a person who believes Obama was making the frogs gay
Oh and their system is not democratic the person who lost the vote is sitting in the office