Pakistan Successfully Tested Babur 3 Cruise Missile launch from Submarine : ISPR

[Falcon26]

1)Ship building is not like attaching a trolley to tractor, like they do in your native village. That your can attach any size trolley and tractor will still pull through.
Offcourse Israels needs permission and more than that expertise of manufacturing country to split open submarine install a 50m VLS section, in their 100 meter long diesel submarine.

2) I know all about Israeli SAAR class corvette incident, but since you were misrepresenting the facts, I played you.

it was not home made rocket, which was fired on it. Or Do you not know difference between a rocket and silkworm missile?
And there was a reason why Barak did not intercept the anti-ship missile, as the system was not switched on because presence friendly aircraft and absence of any intelligence on missile threat from Hezbollah.

3) Again misquoting me, what I said was subsonic missile are relatively easier to intercept than hypersonic ballistic missiles.

Now you are just ranting to fill space, making absolute zero sense.

Yea, the Israeli systems were conveniently turned off during deployment in a hostile environment. You are digging yourself a bigger hole, buddy. Give it a rest

In this day and age as Missile defense systems are becoming increasingly accurate. MIRV is crucial but for that ICBM capability is a must. This should be the next logical step of progression.

No country has deployed a proven 100% accurate ABM, yet. We are decades away from that.

 

[Osiris]

You need a Radar to intercept a missile and that Radar feeds data to a computer that computer calculates the path of the incoming object. and then the interceptor will receive signal from the computer and rectify the Path accordingly and will make a successful interception. this is how your defense system works. This report was generated by Australia after they assessed Barak missile system.

How US Missile defense system works currently being deployed in Europe. The have a satellite that detects infrared signature of an ICBM and then that data is transmitted to ground defense system and a SAM is fired according to that DATA got it. Problems ICBM is easy to intercept if it is not Hyper glide. like your current tested ICBM can be intercepted by a SAM system as it is not Hyper glider. Sea Skimming missile is easy to intercept but Submarine launched Sea skimming cruise missile is not intercept able as first of all the Launch is not detectable so this reduces responce time for the interceptor then if that missile is a RADAR stealth well if your radar cannot detect it cannot be intercepted so This missile is a silent death about which no one will know of coming.

Firstly know the difference between,
1) detecting a missile launch,
2) tracking the missile .
3 ) Intercepting the missile.

These are three distinct processes , the first two are easier to do on ballistic missile, because of their missile launch flare , high and relatively fixed trajectory. The third process is easier done on a subsonic cruise missile.
If you can track a cruise missile, even an aircraft can shoot it down with its guns. Like the British use to do to German V1 rockets(which were essentially low subsonic cruise missile) in WW2.

Problem with detecting and tracking a sea skimming missile is, the inability of radar to see beyond its horizon, due to curvature of the earth. That is why aerostat radars and AWACS came into being. They essentially increased radar horizon by physically increasing the radar height.

But with time, faster computing and processing power available and faster interceptor even radars which were deployed on sea level were able to intercept sea skimming missiles.

This offcourse is helped by the fact, if the missile to be intercepted in just a subsonic missile. eg a subsonic sea skimming which is traveling at 500 Km/hour even if it is detected just 50 Km from the radar, will give the anti missile system, 6 minutes to intercept the missile.

Which in interception terms is all the time in the world.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Range is less than BrahMos!!!
I though Babur had a longer range

Based on the ISPR release it has no seeker either which means no anti shipping capabilities:

Yeah it totally sucks. On impact a flag comes out with the word bang on it.

How about before talking shit about Babur cruise missile, develop ur Nirbhay cruise missile so it would actually work. It's a shame that u guys can't even develop a subsonic cruise missile and yet boast about developing a supersonic cruise missile(Brahmos). Everyone knows that it's just a P800 Oniks

 

[BHarwana]

I want to mention this info to some Indian trolls they should not be alarmed with this test it was not intended for India. I was intended for Israel it had a range of only 450 km and was launched from a sub marine and was a totally RADAR stealth missile. Pakistan has no need of that type of tech for India. India should be looking at a long rage version test coming in few months that is a gift for India with love from Pakistan. This launch was a message to India if you pose threat to our Brother China with ICBM we will burn to ashes you mother Israel.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Now you are just ranting to fill space, making absolute zero sense.

Yea, the Israeli systems were conveniently turned off during deployment in a hostile environment. You are digging yourself a bigger hole, buddy. Give it a rest



No country has deployed a proven 100% accurate ABM, yet. We are decades away from that.

It's not a 100% accurate but is at the point where it can no longer be ignored and can only get worse in a decade's time. A solution needs to be in the works now bcuz it would take like a decade or so to develop such a capability.

 

[The SC]

How many nations can launch cruise missile from subs?

Any idea?

All nuclear nations, Pakistan is the last to do it, now it has joined the big league of the nuclear triad..

 

[GumNaam]

Congrats to all Pakistanis.
Well this is a smack across the faces of all the indians who thought that Pakistan never had the ability to launch sub based missiles.

Fyi, Pakistan has had this ability for a long time; we are just proving it now.

 

[BHarwana]

Firstly know the difference between,
1) detecting a missile launch,
2) tracking the missile .
3 ) Intercepting the missile.

These are three distinct processes , the first two are easier to do on ballistic missile, because of their missile launch flare , high and relatively fixed trajectory. The third process is easier done on a subsonic cruise missile.
If you can track a cruise missile, even an aircraft can shoot it down with its guns. Like the British use to do to German V1 rockets(which were essentially low subsonic cruise missile) in WW2.

Problem with detecting and tracking a sea skimming missile is, the inability of radar to see beyond its horizon, due to curvature of the earth. That is why aerostat radars and AWACS came into being. They essentially increased radar horizon by physically increasing the radar height.

But with time, faster computing and processing power available and faster interceptor even radars which were deployed on sea level were able to intercept sea skimming missiles.

This offcourse is helped by the fact, if the missile to be intercepted in just a subsonic missile. eg a subsonic sea skimming which is traveling at 500 Km/hour even if it is detected just 50 Km from the radar, will give the anti missile system, 6 minutes to intercept the missile.

Which in interception terms is all the time in the world.

I am tired of explaining this to you. there is no fight with illiteracy. The missile is RADAR stealth due to design not due to sea skimming. The missile is sea skimming only for not being intercepted by anti air guns. Now question why the missile is low speed Because at high speed missiles generate surface friction and heat up thus they generate IR (infrared) signature and can be intercepted by IR guided interceptors.
1. No Radar Signature. (Thus immune to RADAR Guided interceptors)
2. Low altitude approach or Sea skimming. (Thus immune to anti air Guns)
3. Low speed. (Thus no IR signature and Immune to infrared guided interceptors)
4. India check mate. But please don't be alarmed the missile is not intended for India it is for Israel with only 450 km range.
5. Indian version will be tested in few months.

 

[Falcon26]

It's not a 100% accurate but is at the point where it can no longer be ignored and can only get worse in a decade's time. A solution needs to be in the works now bcuz it would take like a decade or so to develop such a capability.

That's true. But keep in mind MIRV will overwhelm ABM & use of composite materials and stealth features will also improve. In the South-Asian perspective, due to the geographic proximity, ABM systems will have a really difficult time.

 

[Bratva]

That's is what Barak 1 and 2 anti missile systems have been doing, all these years.

India is now able to intercept high mach speeds, high trajectory Ballistic missiles in its ABM program.
Intercepting a subsonic cruise missile is relatively much easier.

Just a few weeks ago, a US destroyer intercepted and destroyed a sea skimming missile.



Because they are cheap and their intended targets has no air defenses, much less a missile defense in place.

Babur-3 SLCM incorporates state of the art technologies including underwater controlled propulsion and advanced guidance and navigation features, duly augmented by Global Navigation, Terrain and Scene Matching Systems. The missile features terrain hugging and sea skimming flight capabilities to evade hostile radars and air defenses, in addition to certain stealth technologies, in an emerging regional Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) environment.


Why you keep forgetting this specefic part of Official ISPR press release >

 

[Osiris]

I am tired of explaining this to you. there is no fight with illiteracy. The missile is RADAR stealth due to design not due to sea skimming. The missile is sea skimming only for not being intercepted by anti air guns. Now question why the missile is low speed Because at high speed missiles generate surface friction and heat up thus they generate IR (infrared) signature and can be intercepted by IR guided interceptors.
1. No Radar Signature. (Thus immune to RADAR Guided interceptors)
2. Low altitude approach or Sea skimming. (Thus immune to anti air Guns)
3. Low speed. (Thus no IR signature and Immune to infrared guided interceptors)
4. India check mate. But please don't be alarmed the missile is not intended for India it is for Israel with only 450 km range.
5. Indian version will be tested in few months.

And what exactly, does make this missile invisible to radar ?

 

[Cookie Monster]

That's true. But keep in mind MIRV will overwhelm ABM & use of composite materials and stealth features will also improve. In the South-Asian perspective, due to the geographic proximity, ABM systems will have a really difficult time.

Right now the geographic proximity gives an advantage against ABMs that's bcuz I think the current systems India has rely on radars to detect the incoming missile. When they would start relying on their satellites to detect ballistic missile launches, the geographic proximity disadvantage of their ABM systems would be severely minimized.

Overwhelming the ABM through MIRV is the point of MIRV. It ensures target's destruction as not all of those warheads can be intercepted in time. Although there are other ways to defeat ABM systems but MIRV is one of the crucial capabilities a country should have.

 

[Mrc]

Babur-3 SLCM incorporates state of the art technologies including underwater controlled propulsion and advanced guidance and navigation features, duly augmented by Global Navigation, Terrain and Scene Matching Systems. The missile features terrain hugging and sea skimming flight capabilities to evade hostile radars and air defenses, in addition to certain stealth technologies, in an emerging regional Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) environment.


Why you keep forgetting this specefic part of Official ISPR press release >

they are not forgetting... they just don't read things,... they need to stroke their egoes constantly to remain functional...side effect of having a small ........ I mean every one knows

 

[TOPGUN]

Need to add some nuclear masala to it.

Coming soon to a theater near you

 

[Mrc]

And what exactly, does make this missile invisible to radar ?

it has mirrors on it to reflect radar