Who Would Win In A Saudi Arabia vs. Iran Showdown?

[Hell hound]

What a dumb reply.

and your about taking care of fighter with just SAMs was a great reply. right

anian air defence can easily cover the entire Persian gulf using is mobile air defence system with missile ranging from 200-300km in range. As I said earlier, the PGCC planes would be downed with ease.

so your sams are great and take care of every thing while their american made one are dud. yeah right dude

 

[Faravahar]

and your about taking care of fighter with just SAMs was a great reply. right

What is it with all these dumb replies dude?
So according to you people a SAM will refuse to down a plane unless there is also a fighter plane supporting it
A properly developed integrated air defence system is much more than capable of handling air targets without fighter jet support.

so your sams are great and take care of every thing while their american made one are dud. yeah right dude

More brain farts.

I am talking about SAM vs fighter jets not anti ballistic missile defence. The PGCC fighter jets are not ballistic missiles.

 

[Hell hound]

So according to you people a SAM will refuse to down a plane unless there is also a plane backing it
A properly developed integrated air defence system is much more than capable of handling air targets without fighter jet support.

i never said it will not down a fighter jet.but in a sead dead mission that too under air superiority conditions it will be far far less effective.and don't forget f 15 will have latest dfrm jammer too for ECM when it will be on a sead mission.

 

[Erhabi]

is that even a question

iran would be a clear winner in any showdown against saudis

In the first week of an all out war between KSA and Iran. Iranian Airforce will cease to exist and then there will be only ground troops left to be pounded by RSAF F-15 and Eurofighter. Sirf dajjal madad kar sakta hai Iran ki.

 

[Hell hound]

how old are you?

More brain farts.

don't hurl personal insults at me again or this will be my last reply.keep the discussion civil

I am talking about SAM vs fighter jets not anti ballistic missile defence. The PGCC fighter jets are not ballistic missiles.

well i was under the impression that we are discussing fighter jets and the saudi df 21 ballistic missiles too.

 

[The SC]

Theoretically speaking .. in a confrontation between KSA (GCC and Iran _God forbid_

The problem with you people is that you simple don't have a clue what you're commenting about.

The patriot is a joke, can barely defend against some Yemeni scuds never mind missiles with manoeuvrable warheads like Iranian Emad. Try listening to actual missile experts before commenting:

The rest of your comment is ghiberish. Their airplanes would be downed long before they are in range for using their so called HARM missiles. And as I said earlier, as soon as a conflict starts, their airports etc will all be blown to pieces within half an hour if not sooner.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ps-wary-eye-iranian-missile-buildup/32439137/

They only thing they have worth mentioning is airforce which even with US intelligence, spare parts etc will be nowhere near as effective as the likes of you are dreaming.



We are judging them based on their demonstration in Yemen where they spend 90% of the time either getting killed or running away. Their military would still be considered incompetent even if I was extraordinary generous.

God forbid.. in a theoretical confrontation like this, there won't be any winner on either sides but massive destruction that is not beneficial to either..both need their money and resources to further invest in their future and advance in all fields, be it social or scientific..
Yemen is a very mountainous country, meaning it is a very difficult terrain.. even the US couldn't do anything there, one can compare it to Afghanistan terrain very easily, where American and allies boots on the ground in the hundreds of thousand, with massive air support got next to nil results.. So, one should not say that Saudi miliary is incompetent , but some elements lack discipline ,this the Saudis themselves found out during the Yemeni campaign that when the weather is too hot (most of the time) Saudi soldiers don't wear there protective gear and that raised causalities among them..

 

[ashok321]

Of the two, if Persians are intelligent, Saudis are intellectuals.
This wont be any conventional war involving men & machines.
Saudi knows its Naval weakness.

But here is another angle, that of Israel (Iran's staunch enemy), which has covert & tacit understanding with Saudis, who clandestinely gave access to Israeli air fighters to pass over its territory in case of any sudden raid over Iran's nuclear reactor.

I think Saudis are paying good amount of $ to Israelis to produce and infect Iran a la Stuxnet II.

Its going to be a cyber related war.

 

[Serpentine]

as for missiles.. it might be able to fire few salvos of its Soviet/ origin 50s era missiles but they would be mostly intercepted or will have no effect even if they manage to hit the designated targets. their mobile and fixed launchers will also be taken out with or without help of American air/ space intelligence and the KSA/ GCC air force will reduce them into rubble.

Bro, seriously? Few Salvos of 50s missiles? We are talking about thousands of short range and medium range ballistic missiles, one of the largest stockpiles of such missiles in the world, if not largest. Not only Iran can knock out Saudi air defence systems, but can rain hundreds of missiles on each Saudi major city, industrial hub, military base. We have missiles specifically for targeting radar and AD systems. And not to forget, we have thousands of short and medium range cruise missiles too, soon super sonic cruise missiles will be added too.

Let's not forget: Iran already has a very competent air defense system, but it's not even complete yet. In like 5 years, we will be one of the best defended countries in whole MENA in terms of air defense capabilities.

Iran has same failure when it comes to dealing with Saudi proxies in Iraq and Syria.

Since when Iran has gone all in in Iraq or Syria like Saudis have launched full scale war at Yemen? They are not comparable by any means.


The main point is, such war has no winner. Actually any war between ME countries will have no winners, only losers. So I don't like any dick measuring contest, we can never predict a war's outcome and I never wish such war to happen, as much as I dislike Saudi regime, because only those who love to see ME drowning in its own blood will profit from such war.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Irans strength is in their missile technology. That's their edge over the Saudis in my opinion.

 

[AmirPatriot]

@Faravahar thanks for mentioning me.

@Serpentine I know this thread is pointless, but maybe we will crush some illusions

I won't make any conclusions, I'll explain with very simple facts and pictures so everyone can understand. People can make their own conclusions.

This ballistic missile, the Sejjil 2, with a range of 2500 km, can hit anywhere in the entire Arabian Peninsula. And with a Mach 13 top speed, it will blast past any missile defence in possession of Arab countries.

(for comparison, the scuds which the patriot just manages to intercept, fly at a maximum of Mach 5)

This Soumar cruise missile, with a range of 2000 km, can sneak under Arab radar coverage to hit the defences.

Iran has thousands of ballistic and cruise missiles, and it can make as many as it likes, without importing them.

All of Iran's missiles are either fully mobile;

https://defence.pk/threads/irgc-rec...ium-range-ballistic-missile-launchers.254575/

Or in hardened launch silos;

or both;

There is no air base, oil facility, port, army base, or ship safe from the onslaught that Iran's missile forces can unleash.

And thats just the offensive...

@SOHEIL bro do you have anything to add?

 

[AmirPatriot]

On the defensive...

This Russian S-300 can destroy targets out at 200 km.

This Iranian Bavar-373 can destroy targets from 300 km away.

It is also fully mobile

And its Meraj 4 radar can track over 100 targets from 450 km away

This Sepehr radar, with a range of 3000 km, can cover the entire middle east.

No Arab air force is safe from the S-300 and Bavar-373. They don't even have stealth on their side.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous assessment I have read in this forum. Are you being serious or having a laugh?

This guy refers to Iranian missile as "few salvos of soviet 50's missiles" @AmirPatriot @Serpentine
I didn't know soviets in the 50's had anti ships ballistic missiles. You basically commented without botheringto do even a 1 minute long google search.

Here is the reality for you and your beloved saudis:

One has to take into account competency most of all. Not matter how generous we are in our thinking, we still would come to the conclusion that these PGCC nations are extremely incompetent.

Their airforce is basically the one thing they have. If there was ever a conflict between Iran and them, their airports and strategic sites would basically be blown to pieces in first half hour of the conflict!

Their airplanes, a cosiderable which are relatively aged (still newer than Iran's) are easy pray for Iran's integrated air defences unit. People always talk about Iran's ballistic missiles but seem to miss the point that Iran's integrated air defence is as potent as its ballistic missile probably. This air defence complex was made to counter a US strike, you think these PGCC could penetrate it? They could not even undergo their attacks on Houthis without Americans feeding them intelligence, spare parts for planes, bombs etc.

Assuming US does not get involved, Iran could turn even the Persian gulf into a non fly zone for these people with its OTH radars detecting everything over the region etc..
Without US they're just kids with expensive toys.



Their airforce superiority means very little when all their airports will be wiped out within half hour of a potential conflict and the fact they will not be able to penetrate anywhere near Iranian airspace is another matter.

Also don't make me laugh bringing their ground forced into this. They're one of the most incompetent armies in the world.

you are emotional brother
your air defence system is dated like the rest of the military hardware. what you are bragging about has been done back in the 50s. I already asked to discount Yemen, Syria and Iraq because that is not like for like comparison. if your forces were that awesome then they would have wiped off Daesh from Iraq and Syria. same goes for Saudis and their failed Yemeni campaign. it is not against a regular military but rebels who have nothing to hold ..but Saudis can cause tremendous to Iranian infrastructure and strategic targets without much threat from Iranian air defence.. the Saudi airforce can outshoot and out range anything Iran has to defend itself.
its a harsh truth .. my sympathies are with Iran but Iran lacks in terms of technology and has the best of the western military hardware that has repeatedly defeated soviet weapons.

how?when there will be no plane left on your side.

Iraq was under the same impression.

Sadam has much better and updated hardware but it was reduced to twisted heap of mettle
I have no issue with being patriotic and nationalist but being realist is a better
I dont wish this fight to happen because it will affect Pakistan indirectly but the most.

entire Iranian command and control and defence systems can be put to sleep even before the real attack happens. and as for Iranian missiles.. their launchers will be blown up before their missiles reach KSA and get blown up by patriot batteries in the skies

 

[Hell hound]

Sadam has much better and updated hardware but it was reduced to twisted heap of mettle
I have no issue with being patriotic and nationalist but being realist is a better

the same iraqi hardware when used on iran gave iranian a bloody nose.majority of Iranian hardware is still the same (from iran iraq war era) and they are making claims about destroying saudi army bases airfields and jets.
we got nothing against iran they are our neighbors.but they have to understand the difference between achievable and propaganda.
tell me that a f 7pg alone can take down a mki.i will call it bullshit because it is.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Bro, seriously? Few Salvos of 50s missiles? We are talking about thousands of short range and medium range ballistic missiles, one of the largest stockpiles of such missiles in the world, if not largest. Not only Iran can knock out Saudi air defence systems, but can rain hundreds of missiles on each Saudi major city, industrial hub, military base. We have missiles specifically for targeting radar and AD systems. And not to forget, we have thousands of short and medium range cruise missiles too, soon super sonic cruise missiles will be added too.

Let's not forget: Iran already has a very competent air defense system, but it's not even complete yet. In like 5 years, we will be one of the best defended countries in whole MENA in terms of air defense capabilities.



Since when Iran has gone all in in Iraq or Syria like Saudis have launched full scale war at Yemen? They are not comparable by any means.


The main point is, such war has no winner. Actually any war between ME countries will have no winners, only losers. So I don't like any dick measuring contest, we can never predict a war's outcome and I never wish such war to happen, as much as I dislike Saudi regime, because only those who love to see ME drowning in its own blood will profit from such war.

problem is logistics
and timing. by 50s i meant era of 1950..unless iran has the capacity to fire them all in one go and suddenly without any logistical and technical challenge... most of the unfired ones would be destroyed
saudis are smart they invested in best western hardware. its one sided show which will be a stalemate.. saudis wont conquer iran but will hurt its miltary badly

 

[Hell hound]

entire Iranian command and control and defence systems can be put to sleep even before the real attack happens. and as for Iranian missiles.. their launchers will be blown up before their missiles reach KSA and get blown up by patriot batteries in the skies

they think patriots are just for show and are useless against anything other then scuds.while they have the air defense system which can easily destroy the squadrons before they even reach Persian gulfs.

I dont wish this fight to happen because it will affect Pakistan indirectly but the most.

i too wish fight never happens but this is just a debate.why can't they be respectful while doing it is above me.

This ballistic missile, the Sejjil 2, with a range of 2500 km, can hit anywhere in the entire Arabian Peninsula. And with a Mach 13 top speed, it will blast past any missile defence in possession of Arab countries.

again you are underestimating a system that american trust and them self use in their missile defense systems

This Soumar cruise missile, with a range of 2000 km, can sneak under Arab radar coverage to hit the defences.

forgetting about the E 3 AWACS are we.

Iran has thousands of ballistic and cruise missiles, and it can make as many as it likes, without importing them.

you wouldn't be making that claim if you knew the upkeep cost of a ballistic missile.

This Iranian Bavar-373 can destroy targets from 300 km away.

just baseless claims like f 313