Why no export-success for the J-10 so far ?

[Akasa]

But China is buying SU 35 because China wants the Latest RADAR and EW technologies
from Russia

Unlikely reason; there is nothing in the Su-35 that cannot be matched or surpassed by what has gone into the J-11D/16/15A.

MiG 29 and J 10 have the SAME price and SAME capabilities

SO Russia will sell AL 31 to China which will then sell J 10 to other countries

It is like Axing your own foot

Same capabilities? On what basis are two aircraft families, each with numerous variants, on equal footing without any technical evidence to suggest any of their capabilities? Same principle applies for the "price", which remains largely unknown to the public.

Moreover, the Chinese could simply export the J-10 with the WS-10A engine, in which case the Russians get zilch.

You did nt answer the main question about Engine

With WHICH engine are you offering J 10

You didn't read my post.

 

[Akasa]

Yes it is Better than China's Technology

In what aspect? Under which circumstances?

The Chinese have been fielding and developing AESA radars since the early 2000s, headed by multiple research institutions, which compete for military contracts. Does Russia have a supply chain of the same capacity and experience?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

As it is in service with over 150+ J-11B, J-16, J-10B, yes, it is more or less reliable.

OK if you say so

But Then in that case ; why are you still buying AL 31

 

[Akasa]

OK if you say so

But Then in that case ; why are you still buying AL 31

Older aircraft still need maintenance. In fact, the Chinese are simply using their old stock.

 

[Beast]

The J-10 is for export.

It has been shown at numerous airshows and offered.

No, it was not for export. If you don't know, I suggest you keep quiet. The only country China offer to sell is Pakistan.

 

[Akasa]

I dont know why are we talking about J 20

Best of Luck with J 20

My concern is ONLY AL 31 and J 10

Fair enough.

The J-10 is compatible with both the WS-10 and Al-31F; I do not see how this is a sticking point for its exports.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The only country China offer to sell is Pakistan.

Thank you for your comments

Now please tell if Russia had EVER allowed the Resale of AL 31 to Pakistan

The J-10 is compatible with both the WS-10 and Al-31F; I do not see how this is a sticking point for its exports.

If this is True that WS 10 is READY and reliable
then we can soon see the First export of J 10

 

[mike2000 is back]

How many Tejas have you sold? Not a troll post, seriously. You will soon find, you can sell exactly 0 during its entire lifetime.

India is finally making your own weapons, you hear reports of Philippines sale, Vietnam sale, you know how many you actually sold? I mean pen on paper? 0. This is the nature of all sales, until the ink dries, it doesn't mean jack.

A fighter deal is insanely hard to reach. All arms deals are hard to reach. Politics is just as important as capability. Russia may have been a defeated superpower, but their influence is not 0. Even their left over influence is far more than China many times over. The relationship with India is one.

I agree , securing a fighter jet deal is one of the most difficult and complex business out there. Ou need to have a very advanced fighter jet, large political influence, core industrial capabilities to provide a complete set of package from engines to the last bolt to the customer, diplomatic. Influence, lobbying etc.
Reason very few countries have been able to export their fighter jets so far. Even our typhoons who was supposed t have sealed a deal with Bahrain by now, yet we are still negotiating with them in this, notwithstanding the influence we have over Bahrain and all other gulf/European countries who have already received/signed for the Typhoons. So I agree with Genesis its true it's not easy at all.
I don't think the J10 has been offered for export (apart from Pakistan, which i dont think they will go for it as they already got JF17)?

 

[muhammadali233]

Thank you for your comments

Now please tell if Russia had EVER allowed the Resale of AL 31 to Pakistan



If this is True that WS 10 is READY and reliable
then we can soon see the First export of J 10

Back in 2009 it flew in Pak colours in kamra.
It was rejected when blk 2 was on paper J-10 didn't provided much of a different system than that.
RD-93 is now directly sold to pak,al-31 won't be a problem.
edit:
There was also a misunderstanding between the islamic leaderships as the design was originally from Israel.

 

[yusheng]

http://www.avic.com/en/forbusiness/militaryaviationanddefense/fighters/index.shtml

from the avic web, j10, the exporting name FC-20/FC-20A is ready to export, anyone want to buy can contact with them.

• FC-20/FC-20A is a third generation fighter with high performance and multi-functioning abilities. FC-20/FC-20A has remarkable reliability, excellent persistence and strong maneuverability. As a new multi-fighter, it features a large radius of action, short take-off/landing distance and has a strong attack capacity. Features FC-20/FC-20A has remarkable maneuverability at medium and low altitudes and excellent ground attack capabilities. It is used to perform air interceptions, provide air cover, air patrol and for air-to-air combat missions. It can intercept enemy fighters, bombers, surveillance planes, unmanned aerial vehicles, cruise missiles and other aviation weapons. In addition, the FC-20/FC-20A can perform battlefield air interdiction, close air support and battlefield sea attacks, enemy ground target attack; employ air defense weapons systems, and attack all sizes of ships. Performance
  Length 16.43m
  Height 5.43m
  Wing Span 9.75m
  Normal Take-off Weight 12400kg
  Ceiling 15,200-16,500m
  Contact
  E-mail:cacoa@mail.cac.com.cn, public@catic.cn
  
  
  
  
  
  

 

[mike2000 is back]

The ELEPHANT in the Room as far as J 10 Exports are concerned

is the Engine ie AL 31

I dont know why people do not want to talk about it

Well, you might be right, however, I don't think the Chinese will find it difficult to convince Russia to allow them to sell the AL-31 engines to any prospective customer. Just like they have been able to export Russian engines to Pakistan for JF17 without any issues so far.
So I don't think that should be a problem. Until the WS-10 matures/is reliable enough and can be more easilly mass produced to meet the needs of the PLAAF and foreign customers

 

[帅的一匹]

Because they Only Need Engine for J 10 and J 10 is nearly equal to MIG 29

That is why they buy AL 31 from Russia

But China is buying SU 35 because China wants the Latest RADAR and EW technologies
from Russia



MiG 29 and J 10 have the SAME price and SAME capabilities

SO Russia will sell AL 31 to China which will then sell J 10 to other countries

It is like Axing your own foot



You did nt answer the main question about Engine

With WHICH engine are you offering J 10

Only for engine reference, Russian radar and EW the last thing we want.

 

[Blue Marlin]

j-10a available for export
shown below at the singapore airshow

j-11 not avaliable for export as its a un-licensed version of the su-27
russia agrees to continue to supply engines to china and other parts they need for the j11 project but on the condition it is not exported.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Any news coming from Russia regarding the Su-35 is pure bullsh*t. It's the same rumors they've been spreading for the last several years. The news is almost always wishful thinking and often times contradictory.

I'll provide the example.

Earlier this year, the Russians say they will deliver the first four Su-35s by the end of 2016.

Russia to supply first four Su-35 fighters to China in 2016
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Se...u-35-fighters-to-China-in-2016/9661455908202/

But in a recent WSJ interview, they now say the contract isn't even ratified and no jets will be delivered this year. Read it for yourself.

You also recently signed a deal with China to deliver 24 Su-35 fighter jets?

We have signed, but it hasn’t come into effect. There’s a procedure on ratification. To sign is not enough, it has to be ratified by our side and the Chinese side.

When will that happen?

Summer or fall. It’s a long period.

So when will the first delivery take place?

Not this year.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/wsj-q-a-with-sergei-chemezov-1457657218

So which is it? Have the planes been sold or what?

 

[pzkilo]

I agree with you ; BUT It is Not about Tejas or International Politics

This is ONE question that has NEVER been asked or answered on PDF

Has Russia ALLOWED the Re sale of AL 31 as a part of J 10



Yes it is Better than China's Technology

radar and ele....lol....I have to say u know nothing about China, sorry.