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Reliance Power bags $1.3 billion LNG-based project in energy-starved Bangladesh

I am not even talking about other projects like Dhaka metro and the road constructions going on dude.

BD infrastructure investment will keep accelerating with economic growth - the country is on target to get a good infrastructure system by 2030.

Dhaka metro hasn't even started.Its not even comparable to the systems in some of Indian tier 2 cities in size or speed of construction.

Road projects ?Your first 4 lane national highway isn't yet finished.Good luck with your 'road projects'.
 
I am not even talking about other projects like Dhaka metro and the road constructions going on dude.

BD infrastructure investment will keep accelerating with economic growth - the country is on target to get a good infrastructure system by 2030.
Even Bhopal metro is much bigger than your Dhaka metro forget about Delhi's..
And our 3rd tier cities have much better roads
 
Here is another soure which says 13 percent people in BD is ultra poor,which believe measured in a same matric with which indian 12.4 percent figure was found.

Sorry thats a big leap to make. The article just quotes 13% with no reference or source. Bangladesh govt has made all sorts of claims in recent months and years that will need to be vetted by World Bank and standardised among international peers.
 
while they can keep their "non-FDI" banian economy and wonder why they have to import bajaj pulsars in increasing number from India

Correction, they used to import sometime ago. Now almost all Motorocycle brands (over 75% local brands) are assembled/made locally, including about seven Bajaj models. Our market is much smaller than India, so 100% local value addition has to make sense for volumes....this is not a Bhartiya nationalistic thing, it has to make economic sense...India has used CKD assembly in the past too in spite of its large markets.

Does Bangladesh even produce nuts and bolts? What is the level of industrialization in your country except exploiting woman labour for fulfilling EU and USA granted benevolent quotas?

No. We don't make anything. Why should we? After all, our labor cost is only the lowest in the subcontinent (including India's). :-)

Nuts and bolts should only be made if the cost of making them locally is cheaper than import. And then we will go to China to import which cheaper and better than India.

By the way are nuts/bolts still made by hand in India like thirty years ago? Figures....

I am not able to find any financial data on Walton. Supposedly they slap badge the Chinese 80cc mopeds and electronic and sell the Bangladeshis a fake dream of manufactured in Bangladesh. LOL


Fake dream? Slapping Badges? Whatever you say Dada....

I guess we should've set this one up Indian style, having three Bhangi idiots and three hammers banging on steel sheets to make refrigerators. Then you'd like us....:sarcastic:

But the matter of fact is they don't know India is upto. India is leagues leagues leagues ahead of them in industrialization, banking and developed financial capital markets, R&D, Government budgets in education, Railways, Roads, ports, trade, etc. They don't understand that an average Indian lives far better life than these people. These fools live in utopian world. When Indians unleash the facts, they are caught unaware and have no defence.

Highlighting only Indian achievements and forgetting about the rotten slums in every large Indian city is what is utopian. Lately it has become a Bhartiya mantra of sorts......

I bet you cannot progress to the next level of industrialization. No building blocks exists. No Railways, No Ports, No Steel, No Cement, No Mining industry, No Highways, No Airports, etc. The basic foundation industries are missing and no vision or inability to create them while some quota driven production makes you think you are hyper power.

Come to Bangladesh before commenting. These are ludicrous unsupportable statements. Bangladesh has enough backend supporting industries to sustain itself.

@iajdani bhai - car manufacturing is going full steam ahead too. If there is a need and it makes sense, manufacturing will take place.

Unlike India, our media doesn't jump up and down at setting up needle factories.
 
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No. We don't make anything. Why should we? After all, our labor cost is only the lowest in the subcontinent (including India's). :-)

You want Bangladesh to keep on needling and weaving?

Fake dream? Slapping Badges? Whatever you say Dada....

That is mere SME level for poor Indian states. You have yet to show how you will go in high level manufacturing to achieve domination over 10 Indian states and where illegal Indian immigrants by the millions would come to developed Bangladesh.

Highlighting only Indian achievements and forgetting about the rotten slums in every large Indian city is what is utopian. Lately it has become a Bhartiya mantra of sorts......

Boss, we have 20% of world population. Even if we achieve half of electricity consumption per capita and GDP per capita of USA, we are satisfied. For that to happen, it will take decades and without basic foundation we will never be able to achieve it.

I guess we should've set this one up Indian style, having three Bhangi idiots and three hammers banging on steel sheets to make refrigerators. Then you'd like us...

What an idiot of humanity you are? Only a Bangladeshi can be like that.

Come to Bangladesh before commenting. These are ludicrous unsupportable statements. Bangladesh has enough backend supporting industries to sustain itself.

Why does one need to come to Bangladesh? Have you been to India?

You need to build 10 million tonne oil refineries, 10 MT cement plant, 5 million tonne steel plant, 4000 MW UMPP kind of power plants, 1000 KM of 6 lane highways in the next 10 years to even think of pushing it to the next level. Does Bangladesh have the capacity to build? Tax reform, Robust Banking system with cheap credit, local consumption base. Then I believe you can go ahead.

You are contempt with few % advantage in some creepy social indicators like % women education or whatever to think you are ahead of India. Indians are happy with per capita electricity consumption, 20 Kms of highways added per day and target is 35 within next year, creating large ports, increasing exports, availability of high quality diesel and petrol cars at very cheap rates, getting 4G internet at cheap rates, having cheap railway transportation..

I bet an average Indian middle class lives a better life than average South Asian middle class family.

Unlike India, our media doesn't jump up and down at setting up needle factories.

The mot poor Indian states are not in BJP hands. Otherwise the entire textile value chain would have been here.
 
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I guess we should've set this one up Indian style, having three Bhangi idiots and three hammers banging on steel sheets to make refrigerators. Then you'd like us.

You mean Bangladeshi style,didn't you ? Like your much advanced saidpur railway workshop or where lungi clad bangladeshi workers wearing chappals hot forge axles ?? :lol:

There are several industries in my very own 'non-industrialized' state of Kerala,that would make your industries look like a dumpyard.Kerala Hitec(Brahmos Aerospace) for example.Or SIFL.But lets not get started...

forgetting about the rotten slums in every large Indian city is what is utopian

Far more urban Bangladeshis live in slums.Some 50% or something as per UN.

http://mdgs.un.org/unsd/mdg/seriesdetail.aspx?srid=710

car manufacturing is going full steam ahead too

What full steam ? CKD assembly ??

Unlike India, our media doesn't jump up and down at setting up needle factories

Indian media gets enthusiastic about any major manufacturer in auto/power sector/aerospace/electronics sector sets shop here.

Your media does it everytime one of your little shipyards launch a bloody dumb barge or a coaster.:lol:
 
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Let's hear it about Dhaka metro, who is the manufacturer, engineering firm etc etc

It would take at least 20 years for Bangladesh metro to match the NCR metro 5 years back.

Rapid Metro gurgaon totally different from older Delhi metro

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And then we will go to China to import which cheaper and better than India.

By the way are nuts/bolts still made by hand in India like thirty years ago? Figures....

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Sundram Fasteners is a flagship company of US $ 6 billion TVS Group

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2014 revenue Rs.2736 cr
(US $ 457 million) * [lolwa,that's much more than entire 'Walton Group']

Now cry some more.

BTW,what was the name of that Bangladeshi company making lathes ??
 
And if you undestand what that all means, it means the poverty rate is probably higher since we are using 1.25 PPP as the reference point.

The PPP multiplier for Bangladesh was about 3.7 in 2005 and 3.2 in 2010.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2016/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=59&pr.y=10&sy=2000&ey=2021&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=513&s=NGDPDPC,PPPPC&grp=0&a=

So using a PPP multiplier of 3.7 during the 2010 calculation along with using 1.25 PPP as the poverty cut off line and ignoring the non-SD compliant price level effects would basically be the lowest possible estimate of poverty (seeing how PPP multiplier decreased in the time frame and obviously that there would be less poor people when you have 1.25 as the cutoff instead of 1.90).

Basically WB didnt like the way the PPP factor changed so quickly for certain number of countries so they figured to conservatively extrapolate.

You can read it all in box 1.1 of the report:

http://pubdocs.worldbank.org/pubdoc...44058224597/Global-Monitoring-Report-2015.pdf

Its not going to significantly change from the actual number if Bangladesh magically had better CPI/PPP correlation (in fact the poverty rate would probably increase if anything given 1.90 PPP is a larger bracket especially combined with a lower PPP multiplier of 3.2 compared to 3.7 in 2005.)

But we are basically giving Bangladesh the benefit of the doubt here and going with the lower expected poverty figure and ignoring the price level changes from 2005 to 2010 since they were apparently pretty drastic in the PPP calc.
Either compare both country with same criteria and year or not at all.World bank data are very outdated even missing in case of BD.Not only BD but also in case of a lot of countries.You only have to look at their poverty rate chart to realize how reliable they are.They use different year for different countries,even different base year then list them to make a page.Look at the condition of this page.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.DDAY


World bank counted 77.6% of BD' population below 3.1 dollar (ppp) or annual 1132 dollar ppp when they themselves said in 2014 BD's ppp per capita 3123 dollar.It is impossible that nearly four fifth of the population have income less then one third of the average.No other indicator support that assumption.Our GINI co-efficient is not that high,it is actually lower than India.Even Nepal whose gdp ppp per capita they showed 2374 dollar have 48.4% of population below 3.1 ppp dollar.I am convinced they are seriously missing something in case of BD.I don't know what it is.
 
guys I think it's time to stop,this has gone on long enough
Peace :cheers:

Amen - at last a reasonable statement from Ryuzaki....:toast_sign:

are you sure you're from India? :D

The point is - Bangladesh has done well against overwhelming odds and that has to be acknowledged.

Comparing against India is not only not fair - it is rather impractical.

But Bangladeshis are rightfully proud of their achievements as they should be.

I invite Indians to know more about Bangladesh before commenting....
 
Correction, they used to import sometime ago. Now almost all Motorocycle brands (over 75% local brands) are assembled/made locally, including about seven Bajaj models. Our market is much smaller than India, so 100% local value addition has to make sense for volumes....this is not a Bhartiya nationalistic thing, it has to make economic sense...India has used CKD assembly in the past too in spite of its large markets.

Fair enough. I get carried away with some other members. There is really nothing too surprising about the model Bangladesh is following....it has a good track record worldwide. I have always said that the best projection/vision is the actual realisation that happens.

Either compare both country with same criteria and year or not at all.World bank data are very outdated even missing in case of BD.Not only BD but also in case of a lot of countries.You only have to look at their poverty rate chart to realize how reliable they are.They use different year for different countries,even different base year then list them to make a page.Look at the condition of this page.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.DDAY


World bank counted 77.6% of BD' population below 3.1 dollar (ppp) or annual 1132 dollar ppp when they themselves said in 2014 BD's ppp per capita 3123 dollar.It is impossible that nearly four fifth of the population have income less then one third of the average.No other indicator support that assumption.Our GINI co-efficient is not that high,it is actually lower than India.Even Nepal whose gdp ppp per capita they showed 2374 dollar have 48.4% of population below 3.1 ppp dollar.I am convinced they are seriously missing something in case of BD.I don't know what it is.

Well they get different years for different countries because full surveys for every country are not available each year (they are done by the country's own statistics bureaus etc.. and the data is used and analysed by the World bank and it normally gets published many years later in the series after vetting and standardisation or in this case, coefficient analysis + back scaling.

Now lets look at if the Gini makes sense from having such an income distribution.

Lets assume the scaling that World Bank established holds for income levels of 1.9 and 3.1 PPP

77.6% below 3.1 dollar so 1132 dollar PPP

43.4% below 1.9 dollar so 693 PPP


Lets get some calcs out of the way.

PPP per capita for 2010 = 2400 (not 3123 which is from a much later year, we have to use data all from the same year).

Population of Bangladesh in 2010 = 151.6 million

Total PPP economy size = 151.6 * 2400 = 364 billion

Lets assume each bracket's average income is 75% of the final bracket (skew factor) and see what the end result is.


So below 1.9 dollar, the total income estimate is: 693*0.75*0.434*151.6 = 34.2 billion

From 1.9 to 3.1 dollar lies a further 34.2% of people so income estimate using same assumption = 1132*0.75*0.342*151.6= 44 billion

So remaining population will have 364 - 34.2 - 44 = 286 billion total income in PPP and represent the remaining 22.4% of the population.....giving an average income of 286 billion / (151.6*.224) = 8400 PPP.

This gives the following segments of income vs population block:

Lowest 43.4% earn 9 % of total income

Low- Middle 34.2% earn 12% of total income

Middle-High 22.4% earn 79% of total income.

Lets simulate as a population with only 10 people (1 at each 10% interval).

I approximated their incomes as follows to get in the ball park of the component and total averages calculated and tested for two skew factors (0.75 and 0.85):

Sim 1) 350, 460, 580, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 3000, 7000, 9000

Sim 2) 550, 600, 650, 700, 900, 1000, 1200, 3500, 7000, 8000

Giving a GINI coefficient of around 50%.

http://www.peterrosenmai.com/lorenz-curve-graphing-tool-and-gini-coefficient-calculator

Sim 2:

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I would imagine that if we get even better resolution of the spread within/between each band (especially person number 8) and account for the fact that regular Gini uses Nominal income....we can get coefficients as low as 30%. Thats mostly because PPP multiplier tends to influence the higher and middle income portions of the curve due to the scaling.

If you read this paper:

http://www-wds.worldbank.org/servle...58349_20090909092401/Rendered/PDF/WPS5044.pdf

You will see that when using PPP, the Gini coefficient of the world is around 0.7 (70%) in more recent years. So PPP and nominal Gini may not be useful to compare across each other but only within themselves.

I mean here a more nominal based measure of Gini gives the world gini average at around 0.5 in recent years:

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/hot-topics/worldinequality.aspx

So the scaling factor looks to be about 0.5/0.7 = 0.71 for conversion between nominal and PPP Gini (assuming linearity which it may not be). So a PPP Gini for Bangladesh of around .5 using this scale factor would suggest a nominal Gini of around 35% or so....which compares closely to the published Gini estimates for Bangladesh that are out there.

So Bangladesh may actually get a better poverty rate measure if we use nominal instead of PPP.

It is to be noted that Bangladesh national poverty line had about 31.5% below it in 2010....so the difference between nominal and PPP may account for that.

But then the debate ultimately stems from which measure is better, nominal or PPP and we have discussed that plenty times enough (i.e are you interested in conversion of what you consume to US dollars and associated price level scenario i.e nominal or are you more interested in local consumption volumes of goods and services i.e PPP)

I can try to use a given Gini and backtrack an income spread using a bit of estimation (with national total income information) and then derive what the poverty rate is from that. I will try later if you are interested and I got some time. It will however have to be nominal based I think.
 
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Dhaka metro hasn't even started.Its not even comparable to the systems in some of Indian tier 2 cities in size or speed of construction.

Road projects ?Your first 4 lane national highway isn't yet finished.Good luck with your 'road projects'.

Dhaka metro when complete by 2030 or so will be good enough for Dhaka's needs. It will work in conjunction with all the elevated express-ways that have already been build, or will be built to provide a 1st class transport system for the capital of BD.

Road Projects - both the Dhaka-Chittagong and Dhaka-Mymensigh highways are to be fully complete by next month.
After these expect road projects to quicken in pace.
 
guys I think it's time to stop,this has gone on long enough
Peace :cheers:
True, ppl simply end up indulging in nonsense comparing contests.

Amen - at last a reasonable statement from Ryuzaki....:toast_sign:

are you sure you're from India? :D

The point is - Bangladesh has done well against overwhelming odds and that has to be acknowledged.

Comparing against India is not only not fair - it is rather impractical.

But Bangladeshis are rightfully proud of their achievements as they should be.

I invite Indians to know more about Bangladesh before commenting....
Yeah, each country to its own, they will have their own special challenges and achievements. This is not a cricket game to do 1:1 comparison.
 

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