J-15 can defeat F-35B in limited conflict: Chinese analyst

[BoQ77]

J-15 can defeat F-35B in limited conflict: Chinese analyst

• Staff Reporter
• 2014-07-08
• 15:34 (GMT+8)

Concept art depicting the HMS Queen Elizabeth in operation with F-35B fighters aboard (Internet photo)

The Shenyang J-15, China's fourth-generation carrier-based fighter, is capable of defeating Lockheed Martin's F-35B fifth-generation stealth carrier-based fighter designed for the US Marine Corps and Royal Navy in a limited conflict, according to Cao Weidong, a Chinese military analyst, in an interview by the Hangzhou-based Qianjiang Evening News published on July 8.

Stating that the J-15 would be detected and shot down by the F-35B in a direct confrontation, Cao said the Chinese fighter has several advantages over its US counterpart. As the F-35B consumes more fuel than the J-15, it has a combat radius of only 500 kilometers while the latter has a radius of 1,000 kilometers, as the F-35B, with its vertical take-off capability, is heavier than the US Navy's F-35C.

Cao said the PLA carrier Liaoning would able be able to defeat a ship like the Royal Navy carrier Queen Elizabeth, christened last week and set to be commissioned in 2017, in limited conflict, as it has a better carrier-based fighter. Cao said, however, that it is hard to predict which side would actually win in a potential conflict between China and the UK because both carriers do not yet carry fixed-wing early warning aircraft.

Cao said that the J-15 can only carry seven tonnes of fuel and munitions when launched from the ski-jump flight deck of the Liaoning. He characterized this as the biggest weakness of the PLA Navy's carrier-based fighters. Cao said that the HMS Queen Elizabeth, with a ski-jump and an angled flight deck, can make preparations for the launch of six F-35Bs simultaneously, giving it an advantage over the Liaoning, and meaning that the F-35B would still be a tough adversary for the J-15.

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Cao Weidong 曹衛東

 

[gambit]

Remember, this is the same military that predicted the US would win in Desert Storm but with high casualty cost. This is the same air force that have only one combat experience pilot but who gained that experience in a collision with an American SIGINT prop jobber.

 

[BoQ77]

China ever trained Vietnam pilots during early 1960s , then those with Mig-17 had some victories over US pilots with F4 ...

But I worried that China slowly assemble a small quantity of J15, 5 or 6 . disbelief on J15?
Their Liaoning also seem to be need repairing very often

 

[danger007]

wow what an explanation. ..

 

[Genesis]

Remember, this is the same military that predicted the US would win in Desert Storm but with high casualty cost. This is the same air force that have only one combat experience pilot but who gained that experience in a collision with an American SIGINT prop jobber.

China at that time didn't have any advanced weapons, we didn't know what they can do. Would you also make fun of a child for not thinking a bus can go faster than him?


This report is from a regional network by a regional reporter. A national magazine claims a F-22 can destroy 20 J-10s in one trip. How many missiles does one F-22 carry? Or can F-22 destroy fighters without missiles.

Ridicules claims are always crazy.


You try to present yourself like this objective person on PDF, but if you were, you would have looked at the source and see how credible and representative it is, instead of linking unrelated events. If past is such a good indicator of future desert storm should have had more fighters shot down, based on Vietnam experience, but with new and improved training, America improved itself. The same is true of China, would you say we are the same level then as to now.


BTW, please don't bring up rear admiral Zhang again, I been down this road too many times, and I'm tired of telling you he's known as a comedian and has gone on record to prove he was misquoted, so I'll just include it in this post.

 

[xesy]

Just read an American report. The author said that F35 would lose in a direct dogfight with even Mig 21, cause it's an vertical take off jet can't compete with traditional design jets.

 

[Aepsilons]

The Chinese military brass are entitled to their opinion. In the end, the only way to test this theory out is in real life naval air conflict.

Just read an American report. The author said that F35 would lose in a direct dogfight with even Mig 21, cause it's an vertical take off jet can't compete with traditional design jets.

Please share the link to this report. Thank you.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

As the F-35B consumes more fuel than the J-15, it has a combat radius of only 500 kilometers while the latter has a radius of 1,000 kilometers, as the F-35B, with its vertical take-off capability, is heavier than the US Navy's F-35C.

From Lockheeds own site:
F-35B Short Takeoff/Vertical Landing Variant · Lockheed Martin

Combat radius(internal fuel) >450 nm / 833 km

I think he had the miles confused with kilometers.

 

[xesy]

The Chinese military brass are entitled to their opinion. In the end, the only way to test this theory out is in real life naval air conflict.



Please share the link to this report. Thank you.

My bad, I shouldn't use the word "report", it's more like an specialist "thought". There are no statistics or test results or anything. But still the specialist is Pierre Sprey, the co-designer of the F-16 so I think he might have some points. You can google him.

 

[BoQ77]

Unless China get the vertical landing aircrafts, they still depend much on A/C which is a weakness of them.

Without fueling on air, where J15 land to without Liaoning?

From Lockheeds own site:
F-35B Short Takeoff/Vertical Landing Variant · Lockheed Martin

Combat radius(internal fuel) >450 nm / 833 km

I think he had the miles confused with kilometers.

basic mistake, for a military analysist ? huh

The F-35B can fly at a maximum speed of 1,960km/h. The combat radius and maximum range of the aircraft are 833km and 1,667km respectively.

 

[Genesis]

The Chinese military brass are entitled to their opinion. In the end, the only way to test this theory out is in real life naval air conflict.



Please share the link to this report. Thank you.

unless the military brass is some military analyst, then I don't think the brass is involved.

Cao Weidong, a Chinese military analyst, in an interview by the Hangzhou-based Qianjiang Evening News

 

[Aepsilons]

My bad, I shouldn't use the word "report", it's more like an specialist "thought". There are no statistics or test results or anything. But still the specialist is Pierre Sprey, the co-designer of the F-16 so I think he might have some points. You can google him.

That's fine, @xesy . Thanks for your inference.

unless the military brass is some military analyst, then I don't think the brass is involved.

Yes, of course, that is also a plausibility. I thank you for your inference.

Arigadou gozaimasu.

 

[BoQ77]

unless the military brass is some military analyst, then I don't think the brass is involved.

They said J15 has the range of 3,000 km ? wiki