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(China) Chinese Begin Crackdown on Islam...
CAIRO — With prayers banned in public areas, private hajj trips not allowed, teaching of the Qur'an not allowed in private and students and government officials forced to eat during Ramadan, China is enforcing laws and regulations restricting the practice of Islam.
"Of course this makes people angry," Mohammad, a teacher, told The New York Times on Sunday, October 19.

"Excitable people think the government is wrong in what it does. They say that government officials who are Muslims should also be allowed to pray."

In recent week, Chinese authorities have enforced laws restricting the ability of Muslims in the northwestern region of Xinjiang from practicing their faith.

In Khotan, signs posted in front of the grand mosque say the weekly Friday prayer sermon must not extend beyond than a half-hour.

Prayers in public areas outside the mosque is forbidden and residents are banned from worshipping at mosques outside their town.

Under the rules, imams are banned from teaching the Qur'an in private and only official versions of the Qur'an are allowed.

Studying Arabic is only allowed at special government schools.

Government workers are banned from showing the slightest sign of religious devotion.

For example, a Muslim civil servant could be sacked for donning hijab.

Many of the rules have been on the books for years, but local authorities have publicly highlighted them in recent weeks with banners hanged in towns.

They began posting regulations mandating women not to wear hijab and men to shave their beards.

Uighur Muslims are a Turkish-speaking minority of more than eight million in Xinjiang, a northwest vast area that borders Central Asia.

Atheist China recognizes five religions — Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Taoism and Buddhism — and tightly regulates their administration and practice.

Official Hajj

Under the rules, two of Islam's five pillars – the Ramadan fasting and hajj – are strictly controlled.

Students and government workers are compelled to eat during the holy fasting month of Ramadan.

China has also revived a law prohibiting Muslims from arranging their own trips to Saudi Arabia to perform hajj.

Signs painted on mud-brick walls in the winding alleyways of old Kashgar warn against making "illegal" hajj.

"Implement the policy of organized and planned pilgrimage; individual pilgrimage is forbidden," reads a red banner hanging on a large mosque in Urumqi, the regional capital of Xinjiang.

Authorities have also confiscated passports of Uighur Muslims across Xinjiang to force them to join government-run hajj tours rather than their own trips.

Once a person files an application, the authorities do a background check into the family.

If the applicant has children, the children must be old enough to be financially self-sufficient, and the applicant is required to show that he/she has substantial savings in the bank.

To get a passport to go on an official hajj or a business trip, applicants must leave a deposit of nearly $6,000.

Now virtually no Uighurs have passports, though they can apply for them for short trips.

This has made life especially difficult for businessmen who travel to neighboring countries.

Critics say the government is trying to restrict contacts with world Muslims, fearing that could highlight the sufferings of Muslims in Xinjiang and possibly build pressures on China.


http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...89101093&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
 
Yeah I agree but you don't get it every where. Can you expect such freedom in the hub of Islam the whole Arab lands?

Yeah... even in Arab lands everyone has right to their religion... and if they're not providing that then they're wrong.

PRC's religious suppression isn't Islam specific. Sooner than later they would have to give their citizens their due rights to practice their chosen faith as they please.

Let's hope so
 
umm, I doubt China is against Islam, it's just Islam is used as a rally point for scums who wants to create chaos for their own end.

It's like communism it self is just a political and economic idea, it shouldn't be a tool for violence and yet....

China has always been tolerant of other religions, except for brief period of CCP under mao, but that is China under a western ideology. Today Islam is seen as a symbol of violence though not true, it is still seen that way.
 
As children, Hussein and millions of other young Uighurs never attended the religious schools known as madrassas or prayed at mosques because of a government ban on Islamic education for those under 18. Since Hussein never learned about religious laws governing marriage and family, he feels unprepared to have children, and he wonders whether future generations will be able to practice their faith before adulthood.

Uighurs have long complained of restrictions on Islam, which include studying Arabic only at government schools, banning government workers from practicing Islam and barring imams from teaching religion in private.

Uighurs fear Islamic practices will disappear under Chinas rule - Islam web - English


Interesting how not wearing the Hijab in France is a crime against Islam but in China it is a minor problem that will be sorted out soon.
 
umm, I doubt China is against Islam, it's just Islam is used as a rally point for scums who wants to create chaos for their own end.

It's like communism it self is just a political and economic idea, it shouldn't be a tool for violence and yet....

China has always been tolerant of other religions, except for brief period of CCP under mao, but that is China under a western ideology. Today Islam is seen as a symbol of violence though not true, it is still seen that way.
If you know its not true, why are they oppressed in china then. Why no freedom of religion to them.
 
Only general description, without solid things, or provisions of the Ordinance
People under 18 can enter any religion and pray, but any thing should not against law, there is not any particular law to one religion, only law to all the religion. Panchen Lama was enthroned at 9 years old.
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回民儿童上学好还是去清真寺念经好(The Muslim children to school or go to the mosque chanting)
马国胜:这几年,外地的胞到我们这里传教,我参加听了他们的几次演讲,都一再要求回民儿童上清真寺学阿语、念经。我们本地的阿訇也一再强调这一点。不知大家对些有何高见?
(Ma Guosheng ask:In recent years, overseas compatriots to missionary, I participated in listening to their speech several times, repeatedly asked the mosque on the Muslim children learn Arabic chanting. Our local imam also repeatedly emphasize this point. I do not know of any wisdom?)
1.这是一个近乎弱智的问题,根本不值得在威宁社区探讨。
This is an almost mentally handicapped, not worthy of the in Weining community explore.
2.什么意思??
是偶尔学习阿语和经文
还是不上学了,天天在清真寺??
第一种我很支持啊,我打算我儿子大点,银沙安拉的话就这样办
第二种有点偏激了,伊斯兰是入世的宗教,不像佛教那样,从小养在寺庙里
What do you mean??
Occasionally to learn Arabic and scripture
Or do not go to school every day in the mosque? ?
First I very much support ah, I'm going to when my son grown up a little, silver Shaan La words so do
The second is a bit extreme, Islam is the religion of accession to the WTO, unlike Buddhism childhood kept in the temple
3.作为一个中国穆斯林来说,连自己的本国文化都还学不好,还学习阿拉伯语啊。我们当家长的应该要经常把伊斯兰的信仰知识灌输给我们的孩子的同时,也要让孩子们好好地学习中文知识。这样我们穆斯林才能在社会上立足。阿訇们应该利用暑假、寒假的时间办好清真寺的普及教育让我们孩子们来学习伊斯兰的信仰常识。不要让我们的孩子学习了文化,丢了信仰。
As a Chinese Muslim, even their own national culture is not adopted, but also to learn Arabic. When parents should always Islamic faith knowledge to instill in our children, let the children learn good Chinese knowledge. We Muslims to gain a foothold in the community. The imams should take advantage of the summer and winter time good mosque universal education for our children to learn the faith of Islam common sense.Do not allow our children to learn the culture, lost faith, or learn the faith, lost culture.
4.要念经只能是业余的。《义务教育法》规定,适龄少年儿童必须接受九年义务教育
Scriptures can only be an amateur. "Compulsory Education Law" stipulates that school-age children must receive nine-year compulsory knowledge education.
5.自然是先读好书,行有余力,适当念经。
Natural is to read good books, had any energy left, chanting as appropriate.
6.对于这个问题,不存在学好不学好的事。但是,作为回族儿童,从小能够接触一些民族常方面的知识不是坏事,至少,清真寺的教育能够让孩子明白什么是对什么是错。
在威宁城关清真寺已经办了两届暑假班,从自己的小孩看,我觉得效果很好。
一,利用假期这个空间让小孩接触了阿语。
二,让小孩知道了穆斯林的正确行为。
三,避免了小孩在假期无所事事、到处乱整。
建议:
一,以教育阿语的正确发音为主,
二,以拼读为主;
三,以伊斯兰代表人物的美德故事为主。
四,不要对小孩灌输天堂的美好和火狱的恐怖,让其自行认识。
For this problem, there is bad learn or good learn things. However, as the Muslim children, childhood exposure to some of the nation often knowledge is not a bad thing, at least, the mosque education allows children to understand what is right and what is wrong.
In the Weining county Mosque has to do two summer classes, from their own children, I think the effect is very good.
First, use holiday let children touch the Arabic.
Second, let the children know the correct behavior of the Muslims.
Third, to avoid a child during the holidays doing nothing, wander around the whole.
Suggestions:
First, the correct pronunciation of the Education and Arabic-based,
Second spelling main;
Third, the the Islamic representative figures virtue of story-based.
Fourth, do not instill of paradise beautiful and Hell terror to the child, just let them self-awareness.
7.对于外地达瓦宣讲,不适宜威宁回族儿童。
一,威宁回族以重视文化教育为首任,在国家同等教育政策下,回族儿童应当享受国家的义务教育政策。
二,威宁的回族后生有提高自身文化素质的权利和义务。
三,威宁的回族后生长大后有参加国家管理和社会管理的权利。
四,威宁偏僻,回族不学习汉文化就会越来越被社会淘汰。
五,威宁回族如果汉语水平低,即使念经也永远念不成大阿訇。
六,希望各清真寺管委会及教长把握好分寸,不要走向误人子弟的极端。
七,外地的情况不适宜威宁的现状,不要生搬硬套。
八,一个优秀的民族应当是与时俱进的民族。小孩学习教门知识可摆在假期。

最后,本地阿訇“一再强调”的“这一点”是指脱离国家正规教育到你们跟前念经还是指办假期班?
如果是办假期班,我同意,最好动员小孩到清真寺学习,前提是每天由阿訇督促做完作业。
如果是要求小孩脱离学校到清真寺念经,对不起,请滚出清真寺,何处需要你们你们就到何处去。
(For field-Dawa preaching, not suitable for Weining Hui Muslim children.
First, The Weining Hui emphasis on culture and education as the first, in the same state education policy, Muslim children should enjoy the state's compulsory education policy.
Second,
The Weining Hui epigenetic improve the rights and obligations of the quality of their own culture.
Third, the
The Weining Hui epigenetic grow up have the right to participate in national and social management.
Fourth,
The Weining remote, Hui do not learn Chinese culture will increasingly be eliminated.
V.
Weining Hui Chinese level is low, even if the Scriptures and never can not be a great imam.
VI.
I hope each CMC and Imam of the mosque to grasp the sense of proportion, Do not towards harm the younger generation.
VII.
The field is not suitable for the Weining the status quo, not mechanically.
VIII.
A good nation should be the Developing National. The kids learning sect knowledge can be placed during the holidays.

Finally, the local imam has repeatedly stressed that "it" refers to you in front of the Scriptures or that do leave classes out of the formal education of the state?
If you don't leave class only learn at vacation, I agree, it is best to mobilize children to the mosque to learn, provided daily by the imams urge to finish the education work.
If children out of school to go to the mosque chanting, I'm sorry, please get out of the mosque, where you need to you where to go.)
8. 有点文化的人都知道这个道理,但在威宁农村却是非常具体的问题,80后就有很多因为这个问题而误了前途。所以我把它发到社区,现在大家的回答让我非常满意。
Any one with some knowledge can aware of the truth, but is very specific issues in rural Weining, After 1980s young people there are a lot because of this problem and missed the future. So I send it to the forum, and now everyone's answer made me very satisfied.
9.非常讲勒好!:cheers:
Well said
10. 非常赞同永双版主的看法!

念经也好,学习阿语也罢,对于我们来说都是一门外语,首先都要学习好 自己的母语,汉语文化高了,理解能力也会加深,自然也学习好。

对于学习班,利用寒暑假学习一些宗教民族知识,对孩子来说只有好处没有坏处。最起码不忘本!

当地的一些大学生也可以利用寒暑假配合阿訇在清真寺支教,阿訇辅导宗教知识,大学生可以监督孩子的作业,给孩子辅导一下,两不误,相信家长也很乐意!
Very much agree with Wing moderators view!

Chanting or learning Arabic or, for us, is a foreign language, we must first learn our mother tongue, Chinese culture, understanding will deepen, natural learning.

Classes, use summer vacation to learn some knowledge of religious nationalism, for children only of benefit and no harm. At least not forget root!

Some of the local college students can also take advantage of the winter and summer vacations with the imam in the mosque to support education, the imams guidance religious knowledge, college students can supervise the child's homework, give the child guidance to correct, I believe that parents will also be happy!

11. 不错的建议,这也正是一些有远见的阿訇和寺管会努力的方向啊。
Good advice, this is some far-sighted imams and Mosque efforts direction.

12. 不愧是版主,说的头头是道!理性的信仰与发展民族文化,都是好事!极端终将被历史抛弃!
Is indeed the moderator, said clearly and logically! Rational faith and the development of national culture, is a good thing! Extreme will eventually be abandoned by history!

13.支持石话先生的观点,先知穆罕默德说:“求知哪怕远在中国”,更何况我们已经身在中国,汉文化是中国穆斯林安身立命之本,不学习无异于将自身隔离于社会(当然,中国穆斯林除少数人还有逢汉必反的观念外,大多数人已经认识到汉文化的重要性)。至于伊斯兰文化则是穆斯林的信仰之根,不仅仅是清真寺,整个穆斯林群体都肩负着弘扬伊斯兰的职责。先知说;“你们应当宣传,哪怕是一节经文”。至于孩子,父母更应该首先明白教门的一些基本常识,让他们从小就在家庭里耳闻目染教门和信仰,因为先知还说:“天堂在母亲的脚下”。同时支持并督促孩子努力学习汉文化,要让他们成为即能立命于社会,又能立教于内心的人。
Agree with Mr. Shi Hua point of view, the Prophet Muhammad said: "seek knowledge even as far away as China", not to mention we have in China, Chinese culture is the existence and prosperity of the Chinese Muslims, do not learn is tantamount to isolate itself in the community (of course,Muslims in addition to a few people there every Han opposing the concept of, most people have recognized the importance of Chinese culture). Islamic culture is the root of the Muslim faith, not just the mosque, the entire Muslim community is charged with carrying forward the Islamic duties. The Prophet said; "You should be publicity, even if it is only one scripture". As for the children, the parents should first understand some basic knowledge of the sect, so that they grew up in the family heard the head dyed sect and beliefs, because the Prophet said: "Paradise at the foot of the mother. At the same time trying to learn Chinese culture to support and supervise their children, let them become destiny in the community, but also Rikkyo in the heart of the people.

By the way ,Weijing is a county.
 
Stop trying to portray China as "anti-Islam" China is one of the most helpful countries to Muslim countries. One of China's most important bilateral strategic relationships and most permanent ally is a Muslim country named Pakistan.


This is just a propaganda campaign internet actors are engaged in. China has never invaded a Muslim country, never attacked a Muslim country, never has perpetrated genocide against Muslims, in fact China has been a historical ally of Muslims going back to the Silk Road and the days of the Rashidun Caliphate.
 
Stop trying to portray China as "anti-Islam" China is one of the most helpful countries to Muslim countries. One of China's most important bilateral strategic relationships and most permanent ally is a Muslim country named Pakistan.

:lol: Pakistan is simply a proxy used by China to keep India distracted and counter USA.. China's most important bilateral relationship is USA..
 
The rule is simple, Muslims of China can not cause lawlessness or a chaotic situation.

such activities are banned and forbidden in Islam.

muslims of China should try to follow their religion in a peaceful manner, and if they feel that they are unable to do so
then they should migrate.

such is the principle proved by history of Islam.

FASAD (corruption & Chaos) are not allowed in Islam under any condition.
 
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