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Sultanate of Sulu demand the return of Sabah from Malaysia?

Thank you. Yes, I admit that I lost my cool for some reason. Thanks for reminding me...
Well, you said that a referendum takes place because two opposing site agree to hear what the people in the disputed area want. The contention now is between Malaysia and the Philippines since the Sulu archipelago has become part of the Philippines Administration since achieving independence. Otherwise, Sulu should have its own separate Government.
Perhaps there has been some weakness in the first referendum. After 50 years, it is not too late to have another referendum ans let us see ... what is final verdict. This is my point, to have a second referendum with ALL interested parties involved. If yu like, you can include the Sultan of Sulu. But don't bet on the possibility that Sabahans would ever want to be governed by the Sultan of Sulu or Malacanang. Tun Mustapha tried to make Sabah a part of the Sulu Sultanate before and he was overthrown - this is proof enough that we don't want the Sultanate. As far as Kuala Lumpur is concerned, we have had 50 years of experience of not being treated as equal partners of the Federation. But that doesn't mean we are not fighting for the full recognition of the 20-point agreement with Kuala Lumpur. This, however, is beyond the purview of the Sultan or Malacanang.

Thanks a lot for clearing things up, I do appreciate your point of view. I hope Sabahans can enjoy a good life under whoever governs sabah, without dropping the principles of the proud people of Sabah.
 
I salute the Sultan and his royal armies for being brave. They are only fighting for what is theirs and for what is right.

Actually the reason why there has been Muslim rebellion in Mindanao is because Malaysia has been aiding them for decades, they are supporting and sponsoring these Muslim insurgents which wreak chaos. It is to their interest to keep the Philippines poor otherwise a strong and prosperous Philippines will take Sabah back from them. No doubt if they are also the one helping Muslim insurgents in Thailand. Well now that PEACE is coming back in Mindanao. I think all these Muslim rebels will go to Sabah to reclaim and establish their bases there for good. Malaysia has no pawn to move since these Muslim rebels already have a PEACE deal with the Government. Perhaps the Malaysian Government is in panic mode now, feeling betrayed? Well they betrayed us long time ago when they support these Muslim armed group. Now it’s their game being played to them, they are having a taste of their own medicine. The universal law of karma is just taking its right course.

The Philippines should help the Sultan and elevate this matter to the UN Arbitration. This is no different from the case of a giant greedy Crocodile claiming the whole South China Sea which has no evidence except for their self-made nine dash crap, imagine? if that delusional thief has been pursuing historical and idiotic preposterous claim over the SCS, how much more the descendants of the Sultan of Sulu who has the legitimate claim over Sabah. He has all the documentary evidence to assert in any international court and one undeniable evidence is that the Malaysian is still paying rent to them.

Sad to say the Philippines is not helping just sleeping and so lousy in this respect that's why I can’t blame the Sultan and his royal armies if they are doing it by themselves.
 
Lets get real. The people of Sabah wanted to be part of Federation of Malaysia, they did not want to be part of Philippines, they had effectely toppled the Sultan of Sulu when they voted in UN held referendum to be part of Malaysia. Malaysia did not sent in troops to occupy Sabah by force, people had voiced up, the Sultan was no more, just like in Libya people made their choice.

If this Sultan of Sulu can make such claim, I wonder all those former Sultans of Dutch East India, descendants of rulers of Majapahit empire, Langkasuka, Champa, Ryukyu, and all those South-Asian kindoms that exist no more etc etc will make similar claims to their "lost" lands.


Yes. You are absolutely right. There must be a cut-off point in the history of every civilization as there is also a starting point to the birth of a nation. As far as Sabah is concerned, we were an independent nation for 16 days before September 16, 1963 and I think all Sabahans know this.
 
I salute the Sultan and his royal armies for being brave. They are only fighting for what is theirs and for what is right.

Actually the reason why there has been Muslim rebellion in Mindanao is because Malaysia has been aiding them for decades, they are supporting and sponsoring these Muslim insurgents which wreak chaos. It is to their interest to keep the Philippines poor otherwise a strong and prosperous Philippines will take Sabah back from them. No doubt if they are also the one helping Muslim insurgents in Thailand. Well now that PEACE is coming back in Mindanao. I think all these Muslim rebels will go to Sabah to reclaim and establish their bases there for good. Malaysia has no pawn to move since these Muslim rebels already have a PEACE deal with the Government. Perhaps the Malaysian Government is in panic mode now, feeling betrayed? Well they betrayed us long time ago when they support these Muslim armed group. Now it’s their game being played to them, they are having a taste of their own medicine. The universal law of karma is just taking its right course.

The Philippines should help the Sultan and elevate this matter to the UN Arbitration. This is no different from the case of a giant greedy Crocodile claiming the whole South China Sea which has no evidence except for their self-made nine dash crap, imagine? if that delusional thief has been pursuing historical and idiotic preposterous claim over the SCS, how much more the descendants of the Sultan of Sulu who has the legitimate claim over Sabah. He has all the documentary evidence to assert in any international court and one undeniable evidence is that the Malaysian is still paying rent to them.

Sad to say the Philippines is not helping just sleeping and so lousy in this respect that's why I can’t blame the Sultan and his royal armies if they are doing it by themselves.

That is stupid. This whole thing is a farce. So you want to loose whatever little diplomatic leverage you have in SEA? Go ahead shoot yourself. You never had any claims whatsoever prior to the late 60's and early 70's. This is cheap and shallow patriotism from Philippines. Go ahead and make more enemies.
 
That is stupid. This whole thing is a farce. So you want to loose whatever little diplomatic leverage you have in SEA? Go ahead shoot yourself. You never had any claims whatsoever prior to the late 60's and early 70's. This is cheap and shallow patriotism from Philippines. Go ahead and make more enemies.

Oh please spare us the immoral logic chinese
 
Lets get real. The people of Sabah wanted to be part of Federation of Malaysia, they did not want to be part of Philippines, they had effectely toppled the Sultan of Sulu when they voted in UN held referendum to be part of Malaysia. Malaysia did not sent in troops to occupy Sabah by force, people had voiced up, the Sultan was no more, just like in Libya people made their choice.

If this Sultan of Sulu can make such claim, I wonder all those former Sultans of Dutch East India, descendants of rulers of Majapahit empire, Langkasuka, Champa, Ryukyu, and all those South-Asian kindoms that exist no more etc etc will make similar claims to their "lost" lands.

Be careful what you wish for. Sabah could vote for independence but Kuala Lumpur will never allow that.
Sabah was leased from the Sultan of Sulu. So it obviously belongs to Sultan of Sulu. But in this world order that was created by the West, might is right. If you have the might, you have the right.
The British handed Sabah to Malaysia. Period. Malaysia did not do anything.

You are Malaysian so do you know the reason why Sabah and Sawarak was added to Malaysia ?
Tunku was not happy when Malaya was form because there was too many Chinese:frown:. So the British added Sabah and Sawarak to balance the Chinese. Tunku thought the aborigines in Sawarak and Sabah were all Malays because the British told him so ! :devil: When he realized that, he then expel Singapore. :wave::agree:

So there you have it. A East Malaysia that is so different and no historical link with West Malaysia that is separated by sea and an independent little city state of Singapore.
 
PH Navy Deploys Vessels, Aircraft to Sulu Sea Amid Sabah Standoff

By Nikko Dizon and Jerome Aning
Philippine Daily Inquirer 8:56 pm | Thursday, February 21st, 2013

Naval Vessels, Aircraft Deployed to Sulu Sea Amid Standoff | Inquirer Global Nation

MANILA, Philippines—The Philippine Navy on Thursday said it had deployed vessels to the Sulu Sea to intensify its watch on the Philippine backdoor amid a standoff between Malaysian security forces and a group of armed Filipinos in Lahad Datu town in the eastern Malaysian state of Sabah.

A statement from the Navy said the deployment supported the efforts of the military in Western Mindanao to ensure a peaceful resolution of the standoff in Sabah. The Philippine vessels are patrolling the southern waters jointly with Malaysian naval forces, the statement said.
 
The Philippines should help the Sultan and elevate this matter to the UN Arbitration. This is no different from the case of a giant greedy Crocodile claiming the whole South China Sea which has no evidence except for their self-made nine dash crap, imagine? if that delusional thief has been pursuing historical and idiotic preposterous claim over the SCS, how much more the descendants of the Sultan of Sulu who has the legitimate claim over Sabah. He has all the documentary evidence to assert in any international court and one undeniable evidence is that the Malaysian is still paying rent to them.

Sad to say the Philippines is not helping just sleeping and so lousy in this respect that's why I can’t blame the Sultan and his royal armies if they are doing it by themselves.

I thought you guys keep distracted yourself with...this Sabah issue already forgot SCS :rofl:, we evil chineses just feel so embarassed :oops:.
 
If Sabah is Malaysia’s, why is it paying rent?
(The Philippine Star)

REGULAR RENT: The Sabah issue is clear and simple: If Malaysia is indeed the absolute owner of that corner of North Borneo which the constituents of the Sulu sultan insist on occupying as their ancestral home, why is Kuala Lumpur regularly paying rent to the sultanate?

While we plain folk readily comprehend this point, Malacañang cannot seem to appreciate this ownership detail underlying the standoff between Malaysian police and Filipinos occupying the coastal village of Lahad Datu in Sabah.

Kuala Lumpur had the foresight and cunning to broker — with the aid of British and American collaborators — the Bangsamoro sub-state deal of Malacañang with the rebel Moro Islamic Liberation Front.

That adroit move is now paying off. See how President Aquino has been siding more with the Malaysian tenants than with the legal and historical Filipino owners of Sabah.

* * *

DORMANT ISSUE: Shifting focus to the safety of the Sulu sultan’s constituents, Malacañang is consulting behind the scenes with its Malaysian counterpart on how they can convince the Suluans in Sabah to agree to be evicted without incident.

We ache to hear Malacañang say that the Suluans’ safe repatriation will not be at the expense of the Philippine claim to Sabah. We want to catch even just a hint that the Aquino administration has not abandoned the claim to please Malaysia and its Western patrons.

That the claim was initiated by a previous president (Diosdado Macapagal, the late father of Aquino’s hate-object Gloria Macapagal Arroyo) cannot justify Malacañang’s showing scant interest and dismissing it as a dormant issue.


If Sabah is Malaysia





Gov’t in talks with sultan’s kin

(The Philippine Star) | Updated February 22, 2013

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ILOILO CITY, Philippines – President Aquino yesterday confirmed he has been talking to stakeholders in the continued standoff in Sabah, including the family of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III.

“We have been dealing with this. We have been talking to parties concerned, including the family of the sultan to ensure a peaceful resolution,” Aquino told reporters at the provincial capitol here.

“Of course that doesn’t rest entirely in our hands. There has to be cooperation among all entities to achieve, first, a resolution on the current crisis, and later on probably a long term solution to this dispute,” he added.

At the same time, Aquino revealed he has already tasked members of his legal team to study the conflicting claims over Sabah. “I am not an expert. I have tasked the experts to study all of this and to find out precisely all of our standings. Where do we stand? And from where do we begin? How do we move forward?”

Malaysia, as far as the Philippines is concerned, is a neighbor and a fellow member of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and such irritant issues of territorial claims should not disturb the peace in the region.

“Malaysia has… been very, very friendly to us. And they have been very, very supportive to us. And we have to – as a brother nation in ASEAN – also respond,” Aquino said.

A show of force, or the carrying of arms, is not a solution to the problem, he said.

“Having said all of that, the way they did when they went there, carrying arms, this is not the way to resolve this,” Aquino said.

“If you show them that you are armed, the necessary course of action is to show you also that they are capable of fighting back.”

There has to be a thorough study of the Sabah issue, primarily because of conflicting claims that dates back to as far as 1878 where a treaty was signed in various languages – English, French, German and even Tausug dialect.

“There have been so many amendments already. And there is a school of thought that says the translations are not faithful translations,” he added.

Aquino stressed the need for the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) to assess the issue that was dormant for years.

“Everybody was signing a document in his native language. And you wonder how many of them understood what was written on the other copy,” Aquino said.

He said there are several questions that should be answered regarding the issue.

“If we agree that the Sultan of Sulu owns Sabah, does that mean also that they own Sulu? If they own Sulu, can they suddenly say they are separate from the Philippines?”

“These are the questions that I tasked the legal divisions within my office to study,” he said.

Vice President Jejomar Binay said the President is on top of the situation in Sabah.

“The Department Foreign Affairs is exerting all efforts and using all diplomatic avenues to arrive at a peaceful resolution of the Sabah controversy. That is the President’s priority. Let us not second guess the President,” Binay said.

“The President should be allowed to make decisions without pressure from personalities or groups. He will decide based on what is best for the national interest and the safety of Filipinos in Sabah,” Binay added.

Binay stressed a peaceful resolution to the Sabah issue is imperative.

“That is the goal of our President,” he said.

Urgent legal opinion

The Department of Justice (DOJ), for its part, is reviewing the policies of previous administrations, looking at the legality of the claim of the sultanate of Sulu over Sabah.

Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said she is working on a legal opinion to determine the validity of the sultanate’s claim.

“We are looking at the validity or legal basis of the claim as well as an assessment of its strength or weakness, as the case may be,” De Lima said.

“As far as feasible, the study will entail a review of available materials and literature, including previous studies,” she said.

De Lima though refused to discuss further details so as not to preempt results of the study that could affect the “volatile and crucial situation there.”

She also admitted it was an urgent task given to her by the President.

“There’s no deadline but it’s understood to be a priority assignment. I will try to finish in few days,” she said.

De Lima said the President gave the same directive to his legal team and the DFA.

About 200 or more so-called Royal Army members of Sultan Kiram have been holed out in Lahad Datu in Sabah for almost a week now.

Reports were filtering out that the Malaysian authorities were imposing a food blockade and have tightened security leading to Lahad Datu.

This developed as another heir to the Sultanate of Sulu called on its “raayats” (sultanate people) in Sabah to provide support to their compatriots in Lahad Datu.

Paramount Sultan Ibrahim Bahjin Shakirullah II of the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo (now Sabah) said in a statement that they supported the Royal Army members in asserting their rights as the people of the Sultanate of Sulu.

“It is the common aspiration of all leadership in the Sultanate to assert our historical rights and ultimately redeem our lost territorial heritage,” Shakirullah said.

Shakirullah said they have already sent word through their emissaries appealing to his people in Sabah to give moral, economic, logistic and any other form of help to their brothers as a gesture of unity among the people of the sultanate.

The military, on the other hand, has intensified naval operations at the sea border of the Philippines and Malaysia in support of the security efforts of the Western Mindanao Command (Westmincom). – Edu Punay, Roel Pareño, Jose Rodel Clapano, Jaime Laude


http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/02/22/911721/govt-talks-sultans-kin



To whom does Sabah belong?
Vidal Yudin Weil | February 22, 2013

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I was asked to pen my views on the alleged ongoing standoff between the Malaysian armed forces and the so-called Sulu intruders at a Lahad Datu village in Sabah.

I will touch on the history of Sabah followed by my arrival to the conclusion on the probability of the incident actually happening in reality.

North Borneo

It was written that on Jan 23, 1878, the Ruler of Sulu, Sultan Jamalul Alam leased Sabah (formerly known as North Borneo) to Gustavus Von Overbeck for an annual rent of equivalent 5,000 dollars through Von Overbeck’s trading partner Alfred Dent. It was also recorded that this amount of money (USD1,500 per year) is still being paid to the heirs of the Sulu Sultan by the Malaysian Embassy in the Philippines until today.

The keyword in the written agreement was “Pajak” which if translated literally means “Lease”. It was also explicitly written that the rights to Sabah cannot be transferred to any other nation or anyone else without the Sulu Sultan’s express consent.

The Spaniards in Manila eventually took control of the entire Sulu Sultanate; and in 1885, Great Britain, Germany, and Spain signed the Madrid Protocol confirming Spanish influence over everything in the Philippines except Sabah which belongs to the Sultanate.

Great Britain was reminded by America in official black and white in 1906 and 1920 that Sabah does not belong to Great Britain; and was and is at all material times legally and legitimately part and parcel of the Sulu Sultanate.

The British government, however as we all know, arrogantly and unilaterally did turn Sabah into a Crown-leased Colony on July 10, 1946 even though there was a declaration by Chief Justice CFC Makaskie of the High Court of North Borneo on Dec 19, 1939 in a civil suit filed by Dayang Dayang Hadji Piandao and 8 other heirs of the Sulu Sultan including Putlih Tarhata Kiram that the successor of the Sulu Sultan in the territory of Sabah was Punjungan Kiram and not Great Britain!

Earlier on in 1941 the Constitution of the Philippines states specifically that the national territory of the Philippines includes “all other areas which belong to the Philippines on the basis of historical rights or legal claims” which means that the Philippines have never relinquished their claim on Sabah.

Even before Sabah joined Malaya, Sarawak, and Singapore to form Malaysia on Sept 16, 1963, numerous delegations were sent by the Philippines to London reminding the British government that Sabah belongs to the Philippines.

On Sept 12, 1962, the territory of Sabah and the full sovereignty, title and dominion over the territory were ceded by the then reigning Sulu Ruler, Sultan Muhammad Esmail E. Kiram 1 to the Republic of the Philippines during the Presidency of Diosdado Macapagal.

The cession effectively gave the Philippines government full authority to pursue their claim in the International Court of Justice at The Hague. But until today, Malaysia continues to consistently reject the Philippines’s calls to refer the matter to the ICJ.
Immediately preceding the formation of Malaysia, two commissions of enquiry visited Sabah and Sarawak in order to establish the state of public opinion regarding merger with Malaya and Singapore. However, the commissions were never mandated to address the legal status of Sabah nor were they referendums in the proper sense.

The first commission known as the Cobbold Commission was established by the Malayan and British governments and was headed by Lord Cobbold, along with two representatives from Malaya and Britain – but none from the territories under investigation.
The Commission found that about one third of the population of each territory i.e. Sabah and Sarawak strongly favours early realisation of Malaysia without too much concern over terms and conditions. Another third, many of them favourable to the Malaysia project, ask, with varying degrees of emphasis, for conditions and safeguards. The remaining third is divided between those who insist upon independence before Malaysia is considered and those who would strongly prefer to see British rule continue for some years to come.

Indonesia and the Philippines rejected the findings of the Cobbold Commission and in 1963, a tripartite meeting was held in Manila between Indonesian President Soekarno, Philippines President Diosdado Macapagal and Malayan Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman. The meeting agreed to petition the UN to send another commission of enquiry and the Philippines and Indonesia agreed to drop their objection to the formation of Malaysia if the new commission found popular opinion in the territories in favour.

The UN Mission to Borneo found “a sizeable majority of the people” dubiously in favour of joining Malaysia and as expected Indonesia and the Philippines subsequently rejected the report’s findings and Indonesia continued its semi-military policy of “konfrontasi” towards Malaysia – the disputed report in effect sealed the creation of Malaysia.

The whole situation in a nutshell

To give the ordinary layman on the street an easier picture to digest, the following analogy best describes the whole situation:
A landlord called Jamalul leased a piece of land to a tenant called Overbeck for a yearly rent of $5,000. The written agreement stated that Overbeck cannot sub-let the land or sell the lease without Jamalul’s permission.

But the tenant despite the prohibition illegally sold the lease to a sub-tenant called Great Britain who later also illegally sold the lease to a sub-sub-tenant called Malaysia.

And in between all the illegal transactions perpetrated by Overbeck, Great Britain and Malaysia, Jamalul transferred all his rights and interests to a new landlord called the Philippines. The new landlord now wants back the land but the sub-sub-tenant Malaysia refuses to leave. The new landlord wants to take the matter to the International Court of Justice at The Hague but the sub-sub-tenant Malaysia also refuses to go there.

Can the sub-sub-tenant Malaysia claim to be an innocent victim when she took over the lease from the sub-tenant Great Britain?

In my humble opinion: the law be it either international or of any civilized country is that if a purchaser acquires a property with prior knowledge that the property in question is in fact stolen or that the seller does not have a legal or legitimate title to the property at the time of transaction is equally guilty of the crime of theft. Such transaction is not only null and void and of no effect, the title to the property in question is still vested with the original owner.

The ICJ only handles cases between states and nations which must agree to come voluntarily to be adjudged and be bound by its decisions; I strongly believe that Malaysia dares not go to the International Court of Justice to face the Philippines because the former foresee the high possibility of losing.

For centuries Great Britain was the cause of a lot of world problems today, history will tell you the sufferings of people in the Middle East, Africa, Indian Sub-Continent, Argentine Falklands and many more. Even within the United Kingdom, the Scottish, Welsh, and Irish people are really pissed with England.

Hong Kong was fortunate when the late Deng Xiao Ping told Margaret Thatcher in private that if Great Britain does not leave Hong Kong after squatting there for more than 150 years, the Chinese Army will overrun Hong Kong in one day. She was eventually returned to China on July 1, 1997 and now enjoyed autonomy.

What about the voices of the population during the times of the first tenant Overbeck and sub-tenant Great Britain who agree to let the sub-sub-tenant Malaysia take over?

Let me give another analogy: I am the registered legal and legitimate owner of a bus. One day someone leased the bus from me and drove around town picking up and dropping off passengers along the way for profit. Let us say that the passengers love his driving so much that they want to patronize him for life. Does that in any way mean he can sell my bus or treat the same as his property?

To answer my earlier question: the passengers can choose to ride whichever bus they want to, but the sovereignty of Sabah is vested in the Philippines. And this also means that even if the people of Sabah today might still want to stay on with Malaysia, Sabah is still the legal and legitimate territory of the Philippines under international law if the same principles are applied as per the Judgments of the International Court of Justice with regards to the cases of Sipadan and Ligitan Islands, and Pulau Batu Puteh or Pedra Branca.

The Sultanate of Sulu had ceased to exist when every inch of its territory was ceded on Sept 12, 1962 to the government of the Philippines and as the successor-in-title of the defunct sultanate, it is entitled to reclaim Sabah which is at all material times rightfully theirs.

Article IV of the Malaysia Agreement of 1963* reads as follows:

The Government of the United Kingdom will take such steps as may be appropriate and available to them to secure the enactment by the Parliament of the United Kingdom of an Act providing for the relinquishment, as from Malaysia Day, of Her Britannic Majesty’s sovereignty and jurisdiction in respect of North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore so that the said sovereignty and jurisdiction shall on such relinquishment vest in accordance with this Agreement and the constitutional instruments annexed to this Agreement.

Because it was stated that one part of Sabah** belonged to the Brunei Sultanate and the other part to the Sulu Sultanate, and while Brunei had ceded her part of Sabah’s sovereignty, Sulu (now part of the Philippines) only leased her part of Sabah, does Her Britannic Majesty had sovereignty over the whole or only one part of Sabah?

It is obvious that the answer is only one part of Sabah, therefore Article IV is null and void thereby rendering the entire Malaysia Agreement of 1963 illegal and of no effect…!

There is a legal maxim “nemodat quod non habet” which means “you cannot give what you do not have”.

Legitimate and legal independence or autonomy for that one part of Sabah that was leased from the Sulu Sultanate can only come from the Philippines.


Lahad Datu

It is now more than two weeks since the alleged intrusion took place and not even one piece of credible picture taken of the invaders was shown to the public.

Common sense tells me that if the occurrence was real, the only reason our security forces dare not open fire on the raiders is either our boys are outnumbered or their guns outsized.

If there really was an incursion, how come I do not see our Foreign Minister flying off to the Philippines or their Foreign Secretary here in Sabah to negotiate the retreat?

Like the May 13 bogeyman that was used to frighten the Chinese voters of Peninsular, this could well be another “sandiwara” to scare the voters of Sabah and show us that only the Barisan Nasional will be able to protect us from foreign invasion.

To whom does Sabah belong? | Free Malaysia Today
 
It's time Malaysia, Philippines resolved Sabah claim fast

Print 22 February 2013

DISPUTE: Finding an equitable solution requires uncommon goodwill on both sides
THE ailing Sultan of Sulu who reportedly gave the directive to send an armed group of relatives and supporters to Sabah at least had a rather keen sense of timing.


The move comes amid impending national elections in both Malaysia and the Philippines, with campaigning either officially or unofficially under way in both countries.

The Philippines' Sabah claim thus resurfaces at a delicate time for both nations, as the sultan may have intended.
One misstep and either or both nations' leaders are vulnerable to political and other critics.

Already, in Malaysia, the government is under growing pressure to act tough against the band of armed foreign intruders as the stand-off in Lahad Datu continues.

In the Philippines, the government is similarly under pressure to "resolve" the Sabah claim once and for all. Somewhat uncharacteristically, Philippine officials have described the situation as "sensitive", as ours have also done so.

Some in Malaysia wonder if the Philippine group is not doing the bidding of Manila, noting that it provocatively raised the Philippine national flag where it is now camped out in Sabah. It is plausible the Philippine government was caught off-guard by the event as it is claiming.

The administration of President Benigno Aquino III is seeking to speed up concluding a final peace agreement with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. For that it needs the continued goodwill of Malaysia as the third-party facilitator in talks towards that agreement.

And it is precisely the very prospect of that peace agreement that was cited by the Sulu group for launching its action. The action might have been ill-advised to begin with but it was done as much to get Manila's attention as it was to get that of Malaysia's.

The group would have known that the ancient Sulu sultanate is no longer an internationally-recognised sovereign entity in its own right.

To pursue its claim on Sabah, it needed the Philippine government to do it on its behalf. It was moved to take things into its own hands because it sees little prospect of Manila advancing the claim once Manila becomes somewhat beholden to Malaysia for helping to bring peace to Bangsamoro, which will encompass the remaining territory of the sultanate.

The Philippine government has, since the administration of President Fidel Ramos, adopted the stand of putting the Sabah claim
on the backburner as it seeks to practically advance long-frosty ties with Malaysia. That stand seems to have suited us and Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad was happy to play along when he was prime minister at the time.

On hindsight, it may not have been wise to sweep the whole issue under the carpet even as official ties between Kuala Lumpur and Manila improved over the years. But what could have been done, given the circumstances?

Malaysia would, of course, dearly wish for Manila to drop the Sabah claim entirely. But that is hardly realistic. Even if the Philippine government wanted that thorn in relations with Malaysia removed, it will be constrained by political realities existing within the country to unilaterally drop the claim.

The Philippines, on the other hand, may be able to live with the claim being referred by both nations for international arbitration.
If the international precedent set by the decisions to award disputed territories we had in recent years with Indonesia and Singapore to claimant countries that exercise effective control over the territories in dispute is taken as a guide, our case over Sabah should be on solid ground.

Yet it appears extremely unlikely we will submit the Sabah case for legal arbitration. And without consent by both countries to pick the path of international arbitration, it will not happen. Both countries will, therefore, need to creatively find common ground to meet each other half-way.

There have been hints from the Philippine side that the issue may be resolved with a negotiated final cash settlement. The Philippine side has always insisted that Malaysia has continued to make annual nominal payments over Sabah to heirs of the royal house of Sulu, something that Malaysia has not publicly acknowledged doing.

If indeed such payments are made, perhaps it is time we come clean about it and face up to the implications thereof. Sweeping the matter under the carpet serves no one since the matter is not likely to go away. Finding an equitable solution to this festering issue requires uncommon goodwill between Kuala Lumpur and Manila and we are likely to get as good an opening for that now as we ever will.


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Malaysia’s claim of sovereignty on Sabah is “invalid” ab initio or from the very beginning, based on “bad faith” as the British who leased Sabah, altered the lease contract, without the “consent” of the Sultan of Sulu or his heirs. The fact that Malaysia is paying an annual rent is an acknowledgment that the heirs of Sultan Kiram are the owners of Sabah. Philippine government should reinforce and help the beleaguered and surrounded Filipinos in Sabah. Sultan of Sulu had made its move together with its brave armies perhaps the MNLF and MILF should also do its share to start re-claiming Sabah. If Aquino administration forsakes them then it should be ready to face the ire of all the Muslim Filipinos.

A Philippine control of Sabah won't happen. The Malaysians have good grip of North Borneo.
 
This is a big headache for both Malaysia and the Philippines.

Malaysia is in a precarious situation. If violence erupts then it will internationalize this issue, and it could trigger a war to the people of Sulu (Tausugs) and this could possibly drag the Philippines. This will surely create another conflict within ASEAN. That’s why both countries need to bring a swift resolution to this conflict.
 
I salute the Sultan and his royal armies for being brave. They are only fighting for what is theirs and for what is right.

Actually the reason why there has been Muslim rebellion in Mindanao is because Malaysia has been aiding them for decades, they are supporting and sponsoring these Muslim insurgents which wreak chaos. It is to their interest to keep the Philippines poor otherwise a strong and prosperous Philippines will take Sabah back from them. No doubt if they are also the one helping Muslim insurgents in Thailand. Well now that PEACE is coming back in Mindanao. I think all these Muslim rebels will go to Sabah to reclaim and establish their bases there for good. Malaysia has no pawn to move since these Muslim rebels already have a PEACE deal with the Government. Perhaps the Malaysian Government is in panic mode now, feeling betrayed? Well they betrayed us long time ago when they support these Muslim armed group. Now it’s their game being played to them, they are having a taste of their own medicine. The universal law of karma is just taking its right course.

The Philippines should help the Sultan and elevate this matter to the UN Arbitration. This is no different from the case of a giant greedy Crocodile claiming the whole South China Sea which has no evidence except for their self-made nine dash crap, imagine? if that delusional thief has been pursuing historical and idiotic preposterous claim over the SCS, how much more the descendants of the Sultan of Sulu who has the legitimate claim over Sabah. He has all the documentary evidence to assert in any international court and one undeniable evidence is that the Malaysian is still paying rent to them.

Sad to say the Philippines is not helping just sleeping and so lousy in this respect that's why I can’t blame the Sultan and his royal armies if they are doing it by themselves.

Where is proof of Malaysian support on the MNLF and MILF?
Sabah is controlled by Malaysia. What's theirs is definitely theirs.

Oh please spare us the immoral logic chinese

How would you know he is Chinese?
 
Where is proof of Malaysian support on the MNLF and MILF?
Sabah is controlled by Malaysia. What's theirs is definitely theirs.

Controlling a territory doesn't mean having it, the fact that Malaysia pays rent to Sulu sultanate can be considered as a legitimacy to Sulu's ownership of Sabah.
 
Controlling a territory doesn't mean having it, the fact that Malaysia pays rent to Sulu sultanate can be considered as a legitimacy to Sulu's ownership of Sabah.

What happens if Malaysia stops paying rents?
 

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