Muslim cop goes to Supreme Court to save beard

[MilSpec]

Interesting thing is that in South Africa, Hindu policemen were ordered to remove their laxmi (religious) strings which they tie to their wrists. Is the situation here any different? The laxmi strings are not compulsory in Hinduism (from my limited knowledge of that religion). Then again, the comparison of Sikhs in the police forces of India makes sense. Why is a Sikh allowed to don a beard whereas a Muslim isn't? On the face of it that does sound like discrimination.

There is nothing compulsory in santhan dhrama except being a good human being.... You can choose any path that leads you to that...

 

[notsuperstitious]

Sir shave is not right in Islam we as Muslims have to keep beard Sir that is order of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW

Then use your brain, unless thats also forbidden.

 

[KRAIT]

Yaar was a piece of land not enough to kill each other, we are now fighting for Bunch of Hairs.

Deen main Daadhi hai, Daadhi main Deen Nahin. - "Khuda Ke Liye" Dialogue

 

[Azazel]

Sir first understand the ayat than talk this ayat is for example may you like a girl that is good but ALLAH knows that will harm you in future Sir that is for those things which are not seen Sir things which are evil are already told by HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and in Quran for example eating pork or drinking alchoal is haram and evil in Islam and Muslims have to stop it weather by closing its sales and also telling our brothers or sisters who are involved in this please before commenting one something know about it

So,according to your feeble mind eating pork and drinking alcohol are the biggest evil in the world.Not Racism,Human experimentations ,Polluting the environment,Social injustice,pedophilia,poverty,Financial gluttony etc.None of this are the greatest evil just eating pork and drinking alcohol.You must update yourself to the 21st century.

Your vision is clouded and your knowledge is feeble.Just by shutting of sales of pork and alcohol will not make evil go away.You are too ignorant to know that.besides you their are millions of activists and social workers around the globe,who work every day to eradicate the evils I mentioned from this world,many of them have nothing to with any religion and some of them are like me Atheists.Come down the real world,its much more complex than you think and ask yourself what does you have to offer to this real world.Because these the biggest evils in our society not eating pork and drinking beer.

Sir shave is not right in Islam we as Muslims have to keep beard Sir that is order of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW

He said it under the following circumstances.
Prophet Mohammad SAW Migrated by the command of Allah so he can succeed in his mission working from Madina and also save his companions from the persecution of Meccan Atheists. In Madina there lived three tribes of Jews also who used to grow mustache and shaved beards. So Prophet said to Muslims to shave their mustaches and grow beard so Jews would know that you are Muslims.
Neither growing beard is mandatory in Islam nor shaving is Haram.You are simply making these things up because of your ignorance.

 

[Azazel]

That's why these radical Islamists are the most intellectually bankrupt people in the world.They have no solution to the problems we face in our real life.They have nothing to offer to the modern world.

 

[haviZsultan]

@Zarvan there are 3 views or possibly more on the topic. The entire issue with the Wahabis is they want to promote what they believe as the absolute truth and ignore every other theory on the matter. I could post articles upon articles and videos upon videos of different views on the beard but that would obfuscate the topic. Furthermore how did talk deviate from the beard to eating pork and drinking?

It is as necessary for us to understand that the rights and freedoms of each man are to be protected otherwise we are no different from these guys and have no moral right telling them what they are doing is wrong.

I believe you give a very negative view of Pakistanis and Muslims to the world. A scholar can never be a good scholar if he states only one view on a selected matter and does not even take into account the rest at all. As for the beard, I hope this man gets his right. This is the way to go about it. Maharashtra as a state has always been a problematic place as are all places where fanatics are sitting in government-including Gujarat.

I have never heard of a ruling on beards in the police while I was in Lucknow. The officer might not have proper knowledge of the matter.

 

[Azazel]

@Zarvan there are 3 views or possibly more on the topic. The entire issue with the Wahabis is they want to promote what they believe as the absolute truth and ignore every other theory on the matter. I could post articles upon articles and videos upon videos of different views on the beard but that would obfuscate the topic. Furthermore how did talk deviate from the beard to eating pork and drinking?

It is as necessary for us to understand that the rights and freedoms of each man are to be protected otherwise we are no different from these guys and have no moral right telling them what they are doing is wrong.

I believe you give a very negative view of Pakistanis and Muslims to the world. A scholar can never be a good scholar if he states only one view on a selected matter and does not even take into account the rest at all. As for the beard, I hope this man gets his right. This is the way to go about it. Maharashtra as a state has always been a problematic place as are all places where fanatics are sitting in government-including Gujarat.

I have never heard of a ruling on beards in the police while I was in Lucknow. The officer might not have proper knowledge of the matter.

Read my post #57,This has more to do with the grooming standard introduced by British.Besides their are many Muslim countries in the world like(Lebanon,Turkey,Iraq,Syria etc).People like Zaravan are so obsessed in copying Saudis they don't see the other side.

 

[haviZsultan]

Read my post #57,This has more to do with the grooming standard introduced by British.Besides their are many Muslim countries in the world like(Lebanon,Turkey,Iraq,Syria etc).People like Zaravan are so obsessed in copying Saudis they don't see the other side.

In either case it doesn't eliminate the fact that there are some people who believe beards are a must. It is their view and way of interpreting religion and it is their fundamental right. If their right to have a beard is being quashed it is a major mistake on behalf of the Indian government.

The high court may overturn this. All he needs is a good defence lawyer who can explain the various views. Perhaps even someone like Zarvan who believes beards are a must and any other view is not true which will strengthen his case. It is a winnable case.

 

[Azazel]

In either case it doesn't eliminate the fact that there are some people who believe beards are a must. It is their view and way of interpreting religion and it is their fundamental right. If their right to have a beard is being quashed it is a major mistake on behalf of the Indian government.

The high court may overturn this. All he needs is a good defence lawyer who can explain the various views. Perhaps even someone like Zarvan who believes beards are a must and any other view is not true which will strengthen his case. It is a winnable case.

When you join a security force you have to adhere to its rule,Grooming standards are one of it.This is very important to maintain discipline of the force.
read the original article.

the Union government in its 1989 circular for paramilitary forces had said, "A member of the force belonging to Muslim community may be permitted to keep beard on religious grounds. Once permission is given, the member concerned will have to wear it consistently for the rest of his service unless permitted upon written request to remove."

Problem for him is he only want to grow the beard only for a short period of time,which is not allowed.I am no expert on this,let the court take the decision on this.

 

[notsuperstitious]

In either case it doesn't eliminate the fact that there are some people who believe beards are a must. It is their view and way of interpreting religion and it is their fundamental right. If their right to have a beard is being quashed it is a major mistake on behalf of the Indian government.

The high court may overturn this. All he needs is a good defence lawyer who can explain the various views. Perhaps even someone like Zarvan who believes beards are a must and any other view is not true which will strengthen his case. It is a winnable case.

There are Hindus who believe its a religious must for them to shave their head but for a strand of hair and wear tika, there are jains who think its a must for them not to wear shoes etc etc - these people do not work where there are uniform dressing codes.

ANYONE can claim ANY beliefs as a must for them, there has to be some kind sense in all of this, how far will you take it? If a Muslim soldier says he will not fight against a Muslim country and will get a fatwa for it, or if a jaini soldier says he will not shoot because he is not allowed to kill, will he not be court martialled on the field? If one wants to be follow their faith, they have to make the adjustment, not others.

If I find my employer's business unethical as per my beliefs, then I will have to change jobs, I can not ask my employer to change his business.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

@Zarvan there are 3 views or possibly more on the topic. The entire issue with the Wahabis is they want to promote what they believe as the absolute truth and ignore every other theory on the matter. I could post articles upon articles and videos upon videos of different views on the beard but that would obfuscate the topic. Furthermore how did talk deviate from the beard to eating pork and drinking?

It is as necessary for us to understand that the rights and freedoms of each man are to be protected otherwise we are no different from these guys and have no moral right telling them what they are doing is wrong.

I believe you give a very negative view of Pakistanis and Muslims to the world. A scholar can never be a good scholar if he states only one view on a selected matter and does not even take into account the rest at all. As for the beard, I hope this man gets his right. This is the way to go about it. Maharashtra as a state has always been a problematic place as are all places where fanatics are sitting in government-including Gujarat.

I have never heard of a ruling on beards in the police while I was in Lucknow. The officer might not have proper knowledge of the matter.

as I understand there is a section of Muslims who believe in Koran only and other section who follows Koran and hadit both, so for the second group it may seem like beard is a must, so I think if he gets the court verdict on his favour that is a good thing..I support this only because it does not affect, contradict our social laws, criminal laws, etc. Another difficult side of this is when you are in hospitality industry or any other private firm where you need to follow a certain dress code.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

There are Hindus who believe its a religious must for them to shave their head but for a strand of hair and wear tika, there are jains who think its a must for them not to wear shoes etc etc - these people do not work where there are uniform dressing code.

ANYONE can claim ANY beliefs as a must for them, there has to be some kind sense in all of this, how far will you take it? If a Muslim soldier says he will not fight against a Muslim country and will get a fatwa for it, will he not be court martialled on the field? If one wants to be follow their faith, they have to make the adjustment, not others.

this jane beliefs is news to me..
any way you are right we should draw a line but at what point..

you are saying if one has to follow his beliefs then he should make the adjustments but on the other hand state had already made some adjustments to accommodate sikhs in the army by allowing them to grow the hair and beard then the same can be extended to muslims who believes hadits also are to be followed strictly..and in hadits asks Muslims to grow beard.doesn't that make sense ?

( hope you will not call me pseudo secular for saying this )

 

[KS]

as I understand there is a section of Muslims who believe in Koran only and other section who follows Koran and hadit both, so for the second group it may seem like beard is a must, so I think if he gets the court verdict on his favour that is a good thing..I support this only because it does not affect, contradict our social laws, criminal laws, etc. Another difficult side of this is when you are in hospitality industry or any other private firm where you need to follow a certain dress code.

It affects the institution (police) laws.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

It affects the institution (police) laws.

but the affect is only limited to dress code, does not compromise it's operation..and we already are allowing the sikhs to grow beard, so same can be extend.

where state's laws should over rule religious beliefs, laws etc is where it affects civil, criminal laws.. practices which affects ones life, statues, wealth, health , etc.

 

[KS]

but the affect is only limited to dress code, does not compromise it's operation..and we already are allowing the sikhs to grow beard, so same can be extend.

where state's laws should over rule religious beliefs, laws etc is where it affects civil, criminal laws.. practices which affects ones life, statues, wealth, health , etc.

Institutional Laws are laws whether they seemingly affect operation or not.

Me wearing a jeans and tee shirt would not compromise on my ability to study or listen in class..but I would not be permitted to do that in school and would be required to wear a uniform. This is similar to that.