Bugti speaks the truth about Baloch seperatists

[Gandhi G in da house]

Thanks for showing me this:

People who don't even know the proper name of a group, don't know anything about them

Argue with my main point . Baloch or Balochi does not make any difference to the argument .Pakistanis talk about India all day , calling us Bhartis even though the real term is 'Bhartiya' . If I was to clutch at straws like you every argument any Pakistani has made against India here would become null and void .

Anyway , you have already proven my point .

 

[Dance]

Argue with my main point . Baloch or Balochi does not make any difference to the argument ..

It makes a difference because if you don't even know what they're called and call them by their language then you don't know anything about them. You probably have never even spoken to a real Baloch or probably didn't know they existed till recently.

Thats like me calling Pashtun people "Pashto", it shows I have no knowledge about those people.

Bharti is the Urdu word for indian, government of Pakistan uses it, normal people use it, the media uses it.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

It makes a difference because if you don't even know what they're called and call them by their language then you don't know anything about them. You probably have never even spoken to a real Baloch or probably didn't know they existed till recently.

Thats like me calling Pashtun people "Pashto", it shows I have no knowledge about those people.

Bharti is the Urdu word for indian, government of Pakistan uses it, normal people use it, the media uses it.

Just because they use the term Bharti does not mean it is right . The Western world regularly refers to you as Pakis , does not make it right .

Btw I am not even claiming to know Balochis at all . I was just here to say that what one pro-Pakistani Balochi says does not mean any evidence against India . What Balochis want or don't want is not my concern .

Btw ,a lot of the times I have seen many Pakistanis and others use the term 'Afghanis' instead of Afghans . Does not make their argument void . If you ever make an argument in front of a judge these are not things the judge will take notice of but the main gist of your arguments and what facts you present to prove them . These are basics of jurisprudence in every part of the world .

 

[Dance]

Btw I am not even claiming to know Balochis at all . I was just here to say that what one pro-Pakistani Balochi says does not mean any evidence against India . What Balochis want or don't want is not my concern .

So you're saying that just because he's Pro Pakistan, he can't have any evidence?

Only anti-Pakistan people can have evidence?

Btw I have never heard anyone outside of the UK use the term "Pakis" so no the western world does not call us that.

And even then its just a shortened term for Pakistani.Its not like their calling us "Urdu". And those people who call afghans "afghani" should do some research tooo.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

So you're saying that just because he's Pro Pakistan, he can't have any evidence?

Only anti-Pakistan people can have evidence?

Btw I have never heard anyone outside of the UK use the term "Pakis" so no the western world does not call us that.

And even then its just a shortened term for Pakistani.Its not like their calling us "Urdu". And those people who call afghans "afghani" should do some research tooo.

You are not getting my point . You are arguing for arguments sake . I have made myself clear in the previous posts .

Legitimate proof can come from anyone anti or pro Pakistan . What you need is hard proof , not just words that too from someone known to be pro-Pakistan .Because that further reduces his credibility vis-à-vis statements related to Indian role in Balochistan .Statements mean nothing .

And yes people in almost all Western English speaking countries use the term '****'.Anyway that is besides the main point of our discussion like most of your arguments here .

 

[Dance]

You are not getting my point . You are arguing for arguments sake . I have made myself clear in the previous posts .

Legitimate proof can come from anyone anti or pro Pakistan . What you need is hard proof , not just words that too from someone known to be pro-Pakistan .Because that further reduces his credibility vis-à-vis statements related to Indian role in Balochistan .Statements mean nothing .

And yes people in almost all Western English speaking countries use the term '****'.Anyway that is besides the main point of our discussion like most of your arguments here .

Your original post:

What a pro Pakistan Balochi says is not the proof of anything as long as the freedom fighters themselves don't admit to any support from India.

You are saying that because he is pro-Pakistani he can't have proof but if a BLA terrorist says something, then its automatically proof. And then you go on to say or how he is a traitor

I'm not the one denying what I posted earlier.

 

[Redbull]

Why ? The Kashmiri terrorists ... oops freedom fighters have openly admitted the support they receive from Pakistan of all kinds. Hizbul mujahideen and other terror groups openly operate from Pakistan and they give their interviews from there . The day Baloch separatists start admitting India's support , we can perhaps talk .

P.S- If India is supporting Baloch separatists , I am sure most Indians won't mind .It is only fair after what Pakistan has done in Kashmir in last 65 years .In the interest of justice and fairness India should do it .

You have been claiming Pakistan involvement for decades and all you have to show for it is one statement recorded in June 2012 by an Indian newspaper

The Indian support for Baluchistan, which you chose to ignore in your great analysis, is from your newspaper.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Your original post:

What a pro Pakistan Balochi says is not the proof of anything as long as the freedom fighters themselves don't admit to any support from India.

You are saying that because he is pro-Pakistani he can't have proof but if a BLA terrorist says something, then its automatically proof. And then you go on to say or how he is a traitor

I'm not the one denying what I posted earlier.

Read my post number 20 again , carefully this time . I am not saying anything you accuse me of saying .I already stated very clearly in very basic English that -
Legitimate proof can come from anyone anti or pro Pakistan . What you need is hard proof , not just words that too from someone known to be pro-Pakistan .Because that further reduces his credibility vis-à-vis statements related to Indian role in Balochistan .Statements mean nothing

Even a 10 year old can understand what I am trying to say after so much simplification but you are having trouble . Let it be , I am not getting through to you but I have made my point .

You have been claiming Pakistan involvement for decades and all you have to show for it is one statement recorded in June 2012 by an Indian newspaper

The Indian support for Baluchistan, which you chose to ignore in your great analysis, is from your newspaper.

The world acknowledges Pakistan's role in Kashmir jihad including many Pakistanis. What was operation Gibraltar in 1965 ? What has LeT and JeM been doing in Kashmir ? Where do hizbul commanders live ?.

The Indian newspaper does not say anything about Indian support to Balochistan .

This is their great proof the Pakistani govt has been talking about for 4 years .No wonder their term is about to end and yet they haven't shared it with anyone .

 

[Dance]

Even a 10 year old can understand what I am trying to say after so much simplification but you are having trouble . Let it be , I am not getting through to you but I have made my point .

No point of arguing, when you don't see the contradiction in your post.

And also this forum has a policy of not supporting terrorists, so keep that in mind next time you show support for BLA ( a group that has been killing people based on ethnicity and religious reasons)

 

[American Pakistani]

The world acknowledges Pakistan's role in Kashmir including Pakistanis. The Indian newspaper does not say anything about Indian support to Balochistan .

This is their great proof the Pakistani govt has been talking about for 4 years .No wonder their term is about to end and yet they haven't shared it with anyone .

Plz don't bring offtopic, Kashmir is illegally occupied by india, whereas Balochistan is somewhat Khalistan. Both totally different issues.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Plz don't bring offtopic, Kashmir is illegally occupied by india, whereas Balochistan is somewhat Khalistan. Both totally different issues.

Kashmir is disputed , not illegally occupied according to the UN .Don't confuse the two .

No point of arguing, when you don't see the contradiction in your post.

And also this forum has a policy of not supporting terrorists, so keep that in mind next time you show support for BLA ( a group that has been killing people based on ethnicity and religious reasons)

Pakistanis show support for Afghan Taliban and Kashmiri jihadis ( killing Hindu Pandits, sikhs , pro India Kashmiris) on here all the time . They are responsible for human rights violations as bad if not worse than BLA .

I never said that I or Indians supported all BLA acts anyway . I just said it would be fair if India supported BLA due to Pakistan's role in Kashmir . I obviously meant supporting their separatist agenda not their terror activities against civilians .They are condemnable .

 

[Redbull]

The world acknowledges Pakistan's role in Kashmir jihad including many Pakistanis. What was operation Gibraltar in 1965 ? What has LeT and JeM been doing in Kashmir ? Where do hizbul commanders live ?.

According to the conditions you set, the groups in question have to admit to the activities otherwise it didn't happen. Many terrorist groups live and work within the Pakistani and Indian federations- that doesn't mean they support them.

The Indian newspaper does not say anything about Indian support to Balochistan .

That is correct. Indians haven't done anything to support the people of Balochistan. The newspaper does however state that the Indians have helped Bramdagh Bughti, who is a key member of a terrorist group called BLA.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

According to the conditions you set, the groups in question have to admit to the activities otherwise it didn't happen. Many terrorist groups live and work within the Pakistani and Indian federations- that doesn't mean they support them.



That is correct. Indians haven't done anything to support the people of Balochistan. The newspaper does however state that the Indians have helped Bramdagh Bughti, who is a key member of a terrorist group called BLA.

The newspaper neither states nor infers that either

About the former part , I never said that. I just said that the statement becomes more credible when the so called supported group accepts the support itself rather than some anti Indian/ Pro Pakistani dude making an assertion . However , if some pro Pakistani Baloch can provide some concrete proof to establish his statements then that can be considered valid proof too but just statements themselves don't mean anything .

The degree of credibility varies greatly and for obvious reasons .

When a crime is committed , would it be more credible if the criminal himself admits his crime or will it be more credible if the best friend of the victim makes a statement against the accused without any concrete proof ? Whose statement will the Court give more credence to for obvious reasons ? I don't think I can explain it more simply than this .

 

[American Pakistani]

Kashmir is disputed , not illegally occupied according to the UN .Don't confuse the two .

Kashmir is disputed as well as illegally occupied.

Also it is Offtopic, so stop bringing it here. The more realistic to compare with Balochistan is Khalistan, both are legal part of their respective countries, both are undisputed & other similar problems.

 

[Areesh]

There are traitors to every cause , this one being no different .

Fortunately in Baloch movement right now there are too many traitors. Nealy all the Sardars and Nawabs are part of the federal or provincial govt. Those who aren't part of the govt are part of some opposition federation political party. Even the close family members of the "freedom fighters" are traitors like Harbyar's own brother, Brahmadagh's cousins, Khan of Kalat's whole family. What an irony.

I just said it would be fair if India supported BLA due to Pakistan's role in Kashmir . I obviously meant supporting their separatist agenda not their terror activities against civilians .They are condemnable .

So you consider fair to support a terrorist organization but don't support terrorism. What a joke.