Food Safety in China, and the Risk to the U.S.

[gambit]

I meant I'll change my plans (won't be for a year or two at least) if a new US trade policy causes an economic down turn in China. What candidate gets elected matters very little if the policies don't change.

Also it's kind of funny that you are are pinning this all on Obama. Obama rolled over Bush's whole economic team.

Actually...It is funny that you think am pinning all of this on Obama. The point was that Obama's turnover would give US a President who would take a tougher stance on China, not that I was 'pinning' anything on Obama...

 

[jdme]

Actually...It is funny that you think am pinning all of this on Obama. The point was that Obama's turnover would give US a President who would take a tougher stance on China, not that I was 'pinning' anything on Obama...

Well someone did assure me if O gets second term, he will do whatever he wants because there is no downside for him.

 

[CardSharp]

If the Republicans win, then that is even better. They are economic right-wingers, they love the free markets. Look at what Bush did.

That's right, the Sino-American relationship turns more in our favour when Republicans sit in the White House.

Well that's because the Democrats are still nominally the party of labour. I still remember Obama's wanting to put a tariff on Chinese tires in the beginning of his term. This is why I was confused by Gambit thinking Obama is the problem.

If you want trade protectionism, you're better off with the dems (or used to be better off)

Actually...It is funny that you think am pinning all of this on Obama. The point was that Obama's turnover would give US a President who would take a tougher stance on China, not that I was 'pinning' anything on Obama...

Oh good, who do you think will take on the "tougher stance". Obama or the republicans?

(so many choices....)

 

[jeypore]

below_freezing

However, would the US be able to tolerate the hyperinflation that would follow with a break from China's industries? Haha no way. The lower class whites, blacks and Mexicans will revolt.

Why so speculative on a egotistic nirvana!!!!!!!!!! Prove before you state............

 

[below_freezing]

Don't be fools. Both parties of the US are like coke and pepsi. All their differences are just gladiator games to distract the masses. They are nothing as different as CPC vs. KMT or even CPJ vs. LDP.

The US cannot and will not break ties with China, or it will shatter like glass.

 

[gambit]

Well someone did assure me if O gets second term, he will do whatever he wants because there is no downside for him.

May be...But it is the Congress who will keep him in check. His 'wants' will be limited. If Obama is reelected, which I doubt but am not making any prediction, then it will be the Democrats who will have a problem finding a viable alternative to the current crop of Republicans. Biden will be as unacceptable as Quayle was.

 

[no_name]

Well someone did assure me if O gets second term, he will do whatever he wants because there is no downside for him.

He can't do whatever he wants. He's doing much less than whatever he wants right now and still having trouble pushing it through congress's throats.

 

[gambit]

Don't be fools. Both parties of the US are like coke and pepsi. All their differences are just gladiator games to distract the masses. They are nothing as different as CPC vs. KMT or even CPJ vs. LDP.

The US cannot and will not break ties with China, or it will shatter like glass.

That is a good laugh......In a way, we cannot instantly sever any previous 'good faith' agreements made, but we can put such a stranglehold on future agreements that the choices for China will be: capitulation, enter a depression, or try to convince Europe and Africa to help China's rise to global power. Good luck on that last...

 

[below_freezing]

That is a good laugh......In a way, we cannot instantly sever any previous 'good faith' agreements made, but we can put such a stranglehold on future agreements that the choices for China will be: capitulation, enter a depression, or try to convince Europe and Africa to help China's rise to global power. Good luck on that last...

We'll see who holds out longer. Enter a depression vs. breaking up like the Soviet Union? haha. Less than 6% of Chinese GDP has anything to do with the US. The US disappearing from the globe would put us back about 7 months. But then the US is gone.

 

[gambit]

We'll see who holds out longer. Enter a depression vs. breaking up like the Soviet Union? haha. Less than 6% of Chinese GDP has anything to do with the US. The US disappearing from the globe would put us back about 7 months. But then the US is gone.

You mean the country with something like 80,000 protests? Hmmm...Who could that be...???

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

... or try to convince Europe and Africa to help China's rise to global power. Good luck on that last...

They are already helping. Europe is the biggest customer for our exports, and Africa is already one of the biggest recipients of Chinese investment.

 

[below_freezing]

You mean the country with something like 80,000 protests? Hmmm...Who could that be...???

North Korea has no protests either.



We have peaceful protests because we have a robust democracy at work.

 

[CardSharp]

North Korea has no protests either.



We have peaceful protests because we have a robust democracy at work.

Let's not get carried away. America is still a lot more free politically than China.

But I too think protests are a good sign when they can bring about policy change like this
China closes chemical plant targeted by protesters

 

[gambit]

North Korea has no protests either.

The people are too starved to protest.

We have peaceful protests because we have a robust democracy at work.

Now both are good jokes. That those protests are 'peaceful' and that China is a 'democracy'.

 

[below_freezing]

Let's not get carried away. America is still a lot more free politically than China.

I just stated a fact. North Korea has no protests.

Politically free is very subjective. Somalia is the most politically free nation on earth.