Army high command, not Bhutto, responsible for 1971 East Pak fiasco, says d

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Army high command, not Bhutto, responsible for 1971 East Pak fiasco, says daughter

Islamabad, May 20(ANI): Former Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s daughter Sanam, who lives in London and stays away from Pakistani politics, has issued a statement asserting that the Hamoodur Rehman Commission Report had exonerated her father of the 1971 East Pakistan fiasco, and lay the blame squarely on the army high command under General Yahya Khan.

“Analyzing and probing the probable lapses of Pakistan Army during the East Pakistan debacle of 1971, the Hamoodur Rahman Commission did reportedly come up with a lot of intriguing and explosive facts, but its report remains a black hole,” a 16 May report of The News had said.

”Apart from fixing responsibilities on key Army officials, the top arbiter of his time had also blamed the then Premier Zulfikar Ali Bhutto for the East Pakistan fiasco. However, as was expected of him, Bhutto had gone on to accuse the Enquiry Commission of exceeding its jurisdiction,” the report added.

“This is a complete travesty. Anyone who has read the report will testify to the fact that the report exonerates my father but lays the blame squarely on the army high command under General Yahya.

The fact is that the officers and men of the Pakistan Army were completely demoralised and devastated and, in order to rebuild their morale and honour, my father not only stopped the report’s publication but also put a ban on all media diatribe and propaganda against the armed forces,” Sanam said in a statement, which was sent to The News through her friend based in Islamabad.

“My father worked day and night to rebuild a broken country from the ashes of defeat and to restore the image and honour of the Pakistan Armed Forces. His reward was the gallows!” she added.

Sanam launched a strong attack on Bhutto-haters who, she said, continue to malign her father even so many years after his death.

“They thought that they had buried Bhutto for good, but cannot accept that Bhutto lives in the hearts and souls of even a brand new generation, which never laid eyes on him,” she said.

“The truth is that my father rules this nation from his grave and his enemies are unable to fathom the mystery of his legend. My father gave his life for his country but refused to barter its sovereignty and that is why despite the calumny he stands so tall,” she added.

Army high command, not Bhutto, responsible for 1971 East Pak fiasco, says daughter

 

[T-Faz]

I blame General Rani for this fiasco.

The fact is that the 1971 debacle was the fault of our ruling elite of the time, they had successfully pushed out all the individuals who should have been leaders and instead we had people like Gen Musa, Gen Yahya, Bhutto etc running around wrecking the country. These men were very clearly inexperienced and not capable of handling tense political situations.

A volatile political situation cannot and should not be solved by the military, the situation could have been diffused with a political settlement but our leaders had other plans.

I believe Bangladeshi's should have not opted to join Pakistan, even Jinnah had told Suharwady that he would work for an independent Bangladesh after the partition. Pakistan was and will remain a cultural movement, the people of the northern most provinces of Pakistan wanted to separate themselves from an independent India and they used their Muslim identity as a mean to achieve this.

This is why Pakistan is called Punjab Afghania Kashmir Sindh Baochistan.

It wasn't Islamistan or Muslimistan for a reason.

 

[Ahmad]

This is why Pakistan is called Punjab Aafghania Kashmir Sindh Baochistan.

It wasn't Islamistan or Muslimistan for a reason.

I asked the question about name of paksitan that why Bengalis wasnt included in the name pakistan despite the fact that they comprised more than half of the then pakistan, but didnt get a solid rreply.

 

[T-Faz]

I asked the question about name of paksitan that why Bengalis wasnt included in the name pakistan despite the fact that they comprised more than half of the then pakistan, but didnt get a solid rreply.

Simple answer, it wasn't supposed to be a part of this Pakistan that we have. But their people and their leaders become a part of this idea because of their religious affiliation and a need for separation.

Pakistan would not have been possible without the Bengali's though, even the Hindu's of Bangladesh ardently supported the idea of Pakistan because they wanted to be separate.

 

[Leader]

I asked the question about name of paksitan that why Bengalis wasnt included in the name pakistan despite the fact that they comprised more than half of the then pakistan, but didnt get a solid rreply.

lol.....no TFAZ,

actually this quote is of Ch Rehmat ali who spread some pamphlets which contained this logic behind the name Pakistan( Pakistan the name in reality, was out in public already by some Aligh professor).

At that time when J was asked about the idea, he said "rubbish from a kid, who doesnt know politics." (not exact quote)

the Pakistan which we know is formulated on the basis of Iqbal's philosophy which he presented in 1930 in Alla bad address.

and later turned into a resolution in 1940, which contains the concept of two states...

 

[Vinod2070]

Simple answer, it wasn't supposed to be a part of this Pakistan that we have. But their people and their leaders become a part of this idea because of their religious affiliation and a need for separation.

Pakistan would not have been possible without the Bengali's though, even the Hindu's of Bangladesh ardently supported the idea of Pakistan because they wanted to be separate.

Any sources for this claim? I have not seen a single Indian Bengali who wants to have anything to do with the current Bangladesh, leave out the old East Pakistan.

The pre partition violence in Bengal was one of the most horrendous, starting with the "direct action day" directed killings and continuing with Noakhali etc.

I don't believe it was a cultural movement. The majority of Pakistanis were Bangladeshis in 1947! That won't be the case if it was a cultural thing. Nor would a Gujarati second generation convert be leading that movement.

Also, the almost complete ethnic cleansing of the minorities (who had the same ethnicity), the presence of Muhajirs as Pakistanis and the large presence of common surnames (with different religion) in the two countries suggest it was primarily driven by religion.

 

[T-Faz]

lol.....no TFAZ,

actually this quote is of Ch Rehmat ali who spread some pamphlets which contained this logic behind the name Pakistan( Pakistan the name in reality, was out in public already by some Aligh professor).

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali was the first to mention this name, it wasn't mentioned before him by anyone, if you can prove me wrong, please do so.

At that time when J was asked about the idea, he said "rubbish from a kid, who doesnt know politics." (not exact quote)

Yes, Jinnah said that, but Rehmats idea was very different, he wanted three states to be created for Muslims, Pakstan, Bangistan and Osmanistan.

Jinnah did not even want a separate state until the very end, he even accepted the cabinet mission plan but the eventual could not be stopped and to gain the rights for Muslims, Pakistan had to be created.

Iqbals idea on the other hand was that there should be autonomous province created, combining the northern provinces of British India. This province was going to be a part of Federal India and Iqbal never mentioned the word Pakistan for this specific idea of his.

the Pakistan which we know is formulated on the basis of Iqbal's philosophy which he presented in 1930 in Alla bad address.

and later turned into a resolution in 1940, which contains the concept of two states...[/QUOTE]

This Pakistan is a mixture of ideas presented by a number of men, Iqbals idea was only a singular Muslim majority province in Federal India. The two state solution was not his idea and he was neither a proponent of it. The real drive for this Pakistan came with the Lahore Resolution which was authored by Sir Zafarullah Khan and presented in the assembly by Sher-e-Bengal Fazlur Rahman.

So I am correct while your information is partial.

The name Pakistan was coined by Chaudhry Rehmat Ali.

 

[VCheng]

The name Pakistan was coined by Chaudhry Rehmat Ali.

..... over a raised glass of Chablis in the cricket clubhouse of Cambridge University.

 

[Leader]

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali was the first to mention this name, it wasn't mentioned before him by anyone, if you can prove me wrong, please do so.

this is what our books tell, however it was Not Ch Rehmat Ali who FIRST coined the term PAKISTAN, you can consult Dr Safdar Mehmood's research on it or maybe look into Trek to Pakistan (dont know the author) or ref to the newspaper nawa-e-waqt when the issue of bringing Ch Rehmat Ali's deadbody was raised by PMLQ or consult khalid bin saeed's book (now I forgot the book's name), they have detail accounts on different proposals regarding the state and its different names.

 

[Vinod2070]

Jinnah did not even want a separate state until the very end, he even accepted the cabinet mission plan but the eventual could not be stopped and to gain the rights for Muslims, Pakistan had to be created.

Pakistan was and will remain a cultural movement, the people of the northern most provinces of Pakistan wanted to separate themselves from an independent India and they used their Muslim identity as a mean to achieve this.

This is why Pakistan is called Punjab Afghania Kashmir Sindh Baochistan.

Do I see a hint of contradiction here?

 

[Black Widow]

This is why Pakistan is called Punjab Afghania Kashmir Sindh Baochistan.

It wasn't Islamistan or Muslimistan for a reason.

lol... How patriotic ... The name Pakistan means Land of (the) Pure in Urdu and Persian , The other definition doesn't hold true... Pak means pure, stan means land...

Tazikistan : land of Taziks
Hindustan: Land of Hindus
Pakistan : land of pure people...

Why don't you people use your mind before going behind Punjab, Baochistan and blah balah....

 

[T-Faz]

Any sources for this claim? I have not seen a single Indian Bengali who wants to have anything to do with the current Bangladesh, leave out the old East Pakistan.

There remained back a high percent of Hindus in East Pakistan after the partition, why must the opinion of an Indian Bengali alter the fact that a substantial percent of Hindus opted for Pakistan and the largest number was of Bengali Hindus. Even the well read Joe Shearer alluded to this fact in one of his posts, please ask him for more details as he might know credible sources.

After the Objectives Resolution was passed, these same people were shocked and they admitted that this was not what was promised by Jinnah.

The pre partition violence in Bengal was one of the most horrendous, starting with the "direct action day" directed killings and continuing with Noakhali etc.

There were such incidents prior to and after this direct action day was called for. What is your point exactly?

I know that your biases and point of view might hinder your acceptability of the facts but yo better believe that there was a sizable amount of Hindu's, Christians and Parsis who chose to stay in Pakistan.

I don't believe it was a cultural movement. The majority of Pakistanis were Bangladeshis in 1947! That won't be the case if it was a cultural thing. Nor would a Gujarati second generation convert be leading that movement.

If it were a religions movement, the end result soon after its creation would have been to implement religious law in this land. In reality, Jinnah clearly stated that religion would remain a personal matter, if he wanted an Islamic state, he wouldn't have appointed a Hindu as a Law Minister.

Why would one appoint a Hindu if he wants to implement Sharia law?

Also, the almost complete ethnic cleansing of the minorities (who had the same ethnicity), the presence of Muhajirs as Pakistanis and the large presence of common surnames (with different religion) in the two countries suggest it was primarily driven by religion.

Ethnic cleansing, what are you on about?

The actual number of Hindus has increased in Pakistan over time. Mohajirs accepted to live with this title when it should not have happened, there were obvious racist undertones in Pakistan and they exist to this day, religion was not the reason for this bias, it was ethnicity.

You have just made an erroneous statement whereby you specifically mention the group of migrants as Mujahirs and not Muslims.

This clearly indicates that there were ethnic as well as religious aspects of the creation of Pakistan.

It it was primarily driven by religion, why would the hardline Mullahs oppose it so bitterly and stand with congress against this idea.

 

[Leader]

Yes, Jinnah said that, but Rehmats idea was very different, he wanted three states to be created for Muslims, Pakstan, Bangistan and Osmanistan.

Jinnah did not even want a separate state until the very end, he even accepted the cabinet mission plan but the eventual could not be stopped and to gain the rights for Muslims, Pakistan had to be created.

Iqbals idea on the other hand was that there should be autonomous province created, combining the northern provinces of British India. This province was going to be a part of Federal India and Iqbal never mentioned the word Pakistan for this specific idea of his.

This Pakistan is a mixture of ideas presented by a number of men, Iqbals idea was only a singular Muslim majority province in Federal India. The two state solution was not his idea and he was neither a proponent of it. The real drive for this Pakistan came with the Lahore Resolution which was authored by Sir Zafarullah Khan and presented in the assembly by Sher-e-Bengal Fazlur Rahman.

Iqbal in his address clearly states the possibility of either a separate or within federation. so......

and I didnt say Iqbal mentioned the name Pakistan first.... #

he actually died in 1938 two years before the Lahore resolution...

 

[T-Faz]

Do I see a hint of contradiction here?

What contradiction, the people wanted to separate themselves from an independent India and they used religion is a common factor for their difference.

I also wrote this if you read my post.

the people of the northern most provinces of Pakistan wanted to separate themselves from an independent India and they used their Muslim identity as a mean to achieve this.

The question of rights came in to play when based on religion differences the congress did not even let Muslims in the party initially.

This Pakistan that we have is a mixture of a cultural and religious movement.

 

[T-Faz]

lol... How patriotic ... The name Pakistan means Land of (the) Pure in Urdu and Persian , The other definition doesn't hold true... Pak means pure, stan means land...

Tazikistan : land of Taziks
Hindustan: Land of Hindus
Pakistan : land of pure people...

Why don't you people use your mind before going behind Punjab, Baochistan and blah balah....

It works both ways, Pakistan was not only chosen for the meaning 'land of the pure'.

It also encompassed all the initials of the name that were to be a part of it.

At least read the background to this name before jumping in with your blah blah, lol.