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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

Netayanhu has found an excuse to crush Gaza itself, Hamas or not.

Hamas kidnapped people to have leverage in talks with Israel for release of other Palestinian captives but Netanyahu has other plan. He wants to close the chapter of Gaza itself.

Israel is openly attacking Hezbollah and Iranian assets in Syria as well.

Netanyahu is not to be underestimated. He is an extremist himself, and he will not play by the rules when it suits him. He will do anything to bury his political troubles.

Some were celebrating prematurely. Israel is finished - this and that. Hezbollah is stronger. Sure.

An extremist in charge of a strong army is one of the most dangerous individual out there. This is how it is.
He understands that despite all his war crimes and transgressions, super power US stands with him hence his arrogance. This isn't a level playing field for Iran, Lebanon and Palestinians.
 
Let's see.

I was 17 when I joined the military
21 when I was commissioned as a 2LT
22 when I was sent to Iraq and fought as part of 3rd infantry division, lead my first operation across Iraq and into Baghdad
23 when I came home.
24 when I attended Ranger School
26 when I was sent to Afghanistan as part of the 82nd Airborne Division
27 when I return home
27 when i got out of the military
30 when i wrote my first book on warfare.
31 when i join this forum,
42 when I went to Ukraine in April 2022

So you tell what is "Psychological Game" eh? I mean, if you are so gracious to grace us on your "resume"


Well, then there will be an impasse and blood will flow, that's the story here.
I would be interested in reading your book.
Would it be possible for you to share the title?
 
No major Arab government has any love for Hamas, but what has become clear is that the Arab elite don’t want to see another Anwar Sadat like situation, and will have to go beyond advocating for just “making lives easier for Palestinians” in their negotiations with the U.S.

In a week or a month as the images of the massacres of the Gazans and possibly others start to come out, the pressure upon them with put them in a difficult position to do more then lip service to the Palestinian cause and the two state solution.

In return, they may get those wish and see Hamas wiped out for all intents and purposes. It won’t be easy for them to push back on the west’s desire for basically the status quo minus Hamas, but the alternative of not even trying (even without seeking Chinese help, which may antagonize the US) could be more destabilizing due to domestic pressures.

First of all, this is going to be a wholesale massacre on Palestinian, no doubt, and this time, the west is going to give Israeli a lot of latitude to do what they want, US, UK, France and most of the west (I think only Belgium, Germany and Switzerland limited their support) virtually gave the Israel blank cheque on what they can do. This is going to be a blood bath that make past Israeli war crime, or even war crime from both side look like child play

Second, 2 states solution is long dead, and this attack soundly put ths theory out of misery, there are only going to be 1 state in that place, it would either be Israel or Palestine. I don't know what the Palestinian think about this as I know nobody in there, but most Israeli I know and worked with all said they won't trust the Arab anymore.

And finally, it's all come down to what's in it for GCC, taking the side of HAMAS is not going to look good, not only the west but neural like China may also abandon them if that is the course they take, that's the issue I think most Arab nation are aware of. So the solution is simple, show the solidarity now and drop everything and help Hamas, it may or may not win the war, but will be isolated. Or sit back and watch, as you said, there are no love lost between HAMAS and GCC anyway, it would be much easier for them to work with whoever get in charge of Palestine afterward and try to start working again than supporting HAMAS now.
 
Yeah. Also to come u with a chart like that they have to do proper IQ test of thousands of people in every country. That's a tall order. I am not aware of any organization doing this kind of a mass IQ test in my country or any other country.

here i saw a news as below, as reported by Forbes, :coffee:
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Indian Americans: The New Model Minority

The 2008 election barely ended before the GOP began touting the presidential prospects of Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants. Tuesday, Jindal becomes the new face of his party when he delivers the official Republican response to President Obama's speech to Congress. Whether or not he actually runs for president in 2012, Jindal symbolizes a remarkable but rarely discussed phenomenon--the amazing success of Indian Americans in general, and what that success says about our immigration policy.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians--they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans--in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It's tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation's engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The overrepresentation of Indians in these fields is striking--in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.

Indian Americans are in fact a new "model minority." This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians--Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent--were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings.

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest "model." In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which--being reunited with other family members, for example--have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India's educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.

The success of Indian Americans is also often ascribed to the culture they bring with them, which places strong--some would even say obsessive--emphasis on academic achievement. Exhibit A is the spelling bee, which requires long hours studying etymology and memorizing word lists, all for little expected benefit other than the thrill of intellectual competition.

But education and culture can take people only so far. To be a great speller--or, more importantly, a great doctor or IT manager--you have to be smart. Just how smart are Indian Americans? We don't know with much certainty. Most data sets with information on ethnic groups do not include IQ scores, and the few that do rarely include enough cases to provide interpretable results for such a small portion of the population.

The only direct evidence we have comes from the 2003 New Immigrant Survey, in which a basic cognitive test called "digit span" was administered to a sample of newly arrived immigrant children. It is an excellent test for comparing people with disparate language and educational backgrounds, since the test taker need only repeat lengthening sequences of digits read by the examiner. Repeating the digits forward is simply a test of short-term memory, but repeating them backward is much more mentally taxing, hence a rough measure of intelligence.

When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110.

Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously. Nevertheless, it is entirely consistent with their observed achievement.

The superior educational attainment, academic culture and likely high IQ of Indian Americans has already made them an economic force in the U.S., and that strength can only grow. Does this continuing success imply they will become a political force? Here, Gov. Jindal is actually a rarity. Indians are still underrepresented in politics, and they do not specialize in the kinds of fields (law and finance) most conducive to political careers. Time will tell if they are able to convert economic power into serious political influence, as a Jindal presidency could.

A much clearer implication of Indian-American success is that immigrants need not be unskilled, nor must their economic integration take generations to achieve. In sharp contrast to Indian Americans, most U.S. immigrants, especially Mexican, are much less wealthy and educated than U.S. natives, even after many years in the country.

A new immigration policy that prioritizes skills over family reunification could bring more successful immigrants to the U.S. By emphasizing education, work experience and IQ in our immigration policy, immigrant groups from other national backgrounds could join the list of model minorities.

There is nothing inevitable about immigration. Who immigrates each year is a policy decision, free to be modified at any time by Congress. Constructing new legislation is always difficult, but I propose a simple starting point for immigration selection: Anyone who can spell guerdon is in!

Jason Richwine is a National Research Initiative fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority (forbes.com)
Indian Americans: The New Model Minority (forbes.com)
 
here i saw a news as below, as reported by Forbes, :coffee:
.

=>
Indian Americans: The New Model Minority

The 2008 election barely ended before the GOP began touting the presidential prospects of Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants. Tuesday, Jindal becomes the new face of his party when he delivers the official Republican response to President Obama's speech to Congress. Whether or not he actually runs for president in 2012, Jindal symbolizes a remarkable but rarely discussed phenomenon--the amazing success of Indian Americans in general, and what that success says about our immigration policy.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians--they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans--in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It's tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation's engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The overrepresentation of Indians in these fields is striking--in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.

Indian Americans are in fact a new "model minority." This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians--Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent--were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings.

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest "model." In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which--being reunited with other family members, for example--have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India's educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.

The success of Indian Americans is also often ascribed to the culture they bring with them, which places strong--some would even say obsessive--emphasis on academic achievement. Exhibit A is the spelling bee, which requires long hours studying etymology and memorizing word lists, all for little expected benefit other than the thrill of intellectual competition.

But education and culture can take people only so far. To be a great speller--or, more importantly, a great doctor or IT manager--you have to be smart. Just how smart are Indian Americans? We don't know with much certainty. Most data sets with information on ethnic groups do not include IQ scores, and the few that do rarely include enough cases to provide interpretable results for such a small portion of the population.

The only direct evidence we have comes from the 2003 New Immigrant Survey, in which a basic cognitive test called "digit span" was administered to a sample of newly arrived immigrant children. It is an excellent test for comparing people with disparate language and educational backgrounds, since the test taker need only repeat lengthening sequences of digits read by the examiner. Repeating the digits forward is simply a test of short-term memory, but repeating them backward is much more mentally taxing, hence a rough measure of intelligence.

When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110.

Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously. Nevertheless, it is entirely consistent with their observed achievement.

The superior educational attainment, academic culture and likely high IQ of Indian Americans has already made them an economic force in the U.S., and that strength can only grow. Does this continuing success imply they will become a political force? Here, Gov. Jindal is actually a rarity. Indians are still underrepresented in politics, and they do not specialize in the kinds of fields (law and finance) most conducive to political careers. Time will tell if they are able to convert economic power into serious political influence, as a Jindal presidency could.

A much clearer implication of Indian-American success is that immigrants need not be unskilled, nor must their economic integration take generations to achieve. In sharp contrast to Indian Americans, most U.S. immigrants, especially Mexican, are much less wealthy and educated than U.S. natives, even after many years in the country.

A new immigration policy that prioritizes skills over family reunification could bring more successful immigrants to the U.S. By emphasizing education, work experience and IQ in our immigration policy, immigrant groups from other national backgrounds could join the list of model minorities.

There is nothing inevitable about immigration. Who immigrates each year is a policy decision, free to be modified at any time by Congress. Constructing new legislation is always difficult, but I propose a simple starting point for immigration selection: Anyone who can spell guerdon is in!

Jason Richwine is a National Research Initiative fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority (forbes.com)
Indian Americans: The New Model Minority (forbes.com)
You're doing off topic discussions stick to the topic

@LeGenD

Is there a chance that pakistan has guts to send their airforce to help muslims of palastine?
Why we send a PAF to Israel this is not Arab Israel war but freedom struggle of Palestinian against illegal state of Israel
 
Is there a chance that pakistan has guts to send their airforce to help muslims of palastine?

No.

Indians have shown phallll shappport to Israel. Will India be sending some of its special forces to assist Israel? They could save Israelis and marry their women? Kill 2 birds with 1 stone?
Incredible India - defenders of their own borders against China has shown the power they possess. Go India Go Indian tiger
 
I would be interested in reading your book.
Would it be possible for you to share the title?
I can't tell you what my books title as that will show my true identity and sadly, I have pissed off too many people working intelligence to want to show my Identity here.

I have attached/copied some content of my book to some article here, I tend to write Military Science content, because mostly I was bashed to shit if I wrote anything else....


I also dissect historical battle before. I don't do them anymore since Austerlitz has gone.

 
No.

Indians have shown phallll shappport to Israel. Will India be sending some of its special forces to assist Israel? They could save Israelis and marry their women? Kill 2 birds with 1 stone?
Incredible India - defenders of their own borders against China has shown the power they possess. Go India Go Indian tiger
Officially till now there have been only one tweet by Modi and that is condemning the attack by Hamas. I dont know where do you see the support by India for Israel attacks in palastine?
 
Let's see.

I was 17 when I joined the military
21 when I was commissioned as a 2LT
22 when I was sent to Iraq and fought as part of 3rd infantry division, lead my first operation across Iraq and into Baghdad
23 when I came home.
24 when I attended Ranger School
26 when I was sent to Afghanistan as part of the 82nd Airborne Division
27 when I return home
27 when i got out of the military
30 when i wrote my first book on warfare.
31 when i join this forum,
42 when I went to Ukraine in April 2022

So you tell what is "Psychological Game" eh? I mean, if you are so gracious to grace us on your "resume"


Well, then there will be an impasse and blood will flow, that's the story here.
Are you seeking for an employment if not why are you telling me your life story. Everyone here has one , interesting or not.
I don't want to disclose what I am but I will give you a hint.
People with your qualifications from your country view the world Good Guys Bad Guys.
Put it this way , I was watching and listening that, personally. Also the other people with the same vocation. We all , saw you as very dumb, not bad people but dumb.
Also I was watching you in a certain tests , not bad but not good either.
In your place I wouldn't talk about my CV as you can see I don't talk much about mine.
I will just inform you one thing which is obvious to some people. Bay or in Bosnian Beg was a military rank , landed aristocracy, in my family it has run for the centuries. Non of us got it due to eating King Sized Burgers.
What, in way I am trying to tell you here, you are just a manual worker, no matter what you did or where you were. It is as simple as that, you can't make any difference, because your mind is only for manning the post . You ain't Rupert as some of my colleagues would say . Just NCO,
 
What Israel "wants" to do, and what it can do and what it is allowed to do, are very different things. This will not go to where you think it will, your analysis of the situation is not correct.

Believe me, I wanted to be wrong too.

Again, my comment is based on the fact that they had called up that absurd number of reserve, I don't know what they want to do with it if they are not trying to fight every corner in Gaza. Sadly, that is my most logical conclusion


Netanyahu is politically dead already and he knows it ...

Maybe, but looking at the sentiment here, if he didn't do what the people want him to do, he might actually be dead, not politically. People wanted blood, again, they see it as their own 9/11 and I know what's that feeling is like, because I was there when it was about to deploy after 9/11.

See comment above, what they can do is limited.
 
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And Israelis would lose the most....Netanyahoo is to blame.

Israeli lawmaker blames pogroms against Palestinians for ‘terrible’ attacks​

Ofer Cassif says he warned the situation would ‘erupt’ if Israel did not change its treatment of Palestinians.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...oms-against-palestinians-for-terrible-attacks
I don't know man, I am just commenting on what I think would happen.

I applies my skill on every set of countries in the world, I didn't just say that because I am pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, this is what news and intelligence present to me, and that would be my conclusion, as I said, I too hope I was wrong, but if you are hiring me to do military analysis on this particular situation, based on the information that's publicly and privately available to me, this is what my conclusion will be.

Things change tho, but this is what I would say will happen with all the intelligence I have on my desk.
 
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