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China-Pakistan railway ‘worth it’ at estimated US$58 billion: study

$58 billion is something Pakistan cannot afford and hopefully the Chinese are not dumb to dole out that kind of money to the gang of crooks leading Pakistan currently.

But who knows, a 10% haircut on the loan amount for Pakistani politicians and a loan at ‘good’ interest rate with sovereign guarantees for the Chinese, and we may have a deal disregarding Pakistan’s interests.

The railways can be built in a phased approach.
 
The initial cost estimate is always on the much lower side, the real cost could be well above $100 billion

That's almost the same of our one year surplus from the trade with India

The trade between India and China touched an all-time high of USD 135.98 billion in 2022, while New Delhi's trade deficit with Beijing crossed the USD 100 billion mark for the first time.
 
I can see the point of this. Pakistan develops Balochistan, and China saves costs for transporting goods, or any embrgos etc and develops their western underdeveloped part. Or a direct route to the strait of hormuz. Infact, hypothetically if the strait is blocked the US (they have reserve oil for that case), and the whole world can collapse. Also more cost effective for them. However if the cost is totally beared by Pakistan, and China dolls out a loan at a high interest rate, then its not worth it at all for Pakistan.

For this to work, costs need to be shared, and probably Pakistan would need a loan, for Pakistan to pay it back ofcourse they need to make money and for that this investment needs to drive returns.

At the end of the day, its good for both countries. But Pakistani leadership needs to make sure they don't sign stupid deals.
 
I can see the point of this. Pakistan develops Balochistan, and China saves costs for transporting goods, or any embrgos etc and develops their western underdeveloped part. Or a direct route to the strait of hormuz. Infact, hypothetically if the strait is blocked the US (they have reserve oil for that case), and the whole world can collapse. Also more cost effective for them. However if the cost is totally beared by Pakistan, and China dolls out a loan at a high interest rate, then its not worth it at all for Pakistan.

For this to work, costs need to be shared, and probably Pakistan would need a loan, for Pakistan to pay it back ofcourse they need to make money and for that this investment needs to drive returns.

At the end of the day, its good for both countries. But Pakistani leadership needs to make sure they don't sign stupid deals.
Go easy on your government, Chinese government is even dumber

 
Chinese are paying for it (no loans, no kickbacks, no fat chor,
Where? Lmao
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There's no way in hell we can afford a loan worth $58 billion and Chinese won't pay $58 billion to build a mainline from peshwar and Gilgit to Karachi on our soil
 
$58 billion is actually cheap keeping in mind the terrain it would have to go over. I’m surprised it’s even possible.
However, Pakistan can’t afford $58 billion in its current state.
Pakistan can conduct a feasibility study and see if it’s feasible and worth it to create such railway or not. If it’s worth it to make such railway then Pakistan can create a separate company for it and create two classes of stocks for it and list one of the classes of stick to international stock markets to attract investors. Pakistan can it self only contribute a percentage of the price tag but keep control over the railway because of its stock class.
 
guess which one of these lines is the railway line and do you see karachi anywhere near it?
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solid red or dotted black n white?
Are Chinese paying for it as you said or we are through loans?
 
This is not possible with countless glaciers and mountains this is a far fetched dream no way. A railroad is much harder to construct than a carpet road.
 
That's an alternative to Malacca strait. You should pray the project progress without American sabotage. They will try to pressure Pakistanis for sure. Let's ask google

How much Chinese oil goes through the Strait of Malacca?

The imports are critical for China as imported oil from abroad makes up 75 percent of its entire oil consumption, which ultimately means that roughly 60 percent of China's entire supply of oil passes through this one and a half mile wide stretch.


If Malacca strait is the reason, they have already planned railway from southern China to western coast of Myanmar at 1/6th the cost.

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China-Pakistan railway ‘worth it’ at estimated US$58 billion: study

  • Belt and Road Initiative’s most expensive transport infrastructure project ‘has potential’ to reshape trade and geopolitics
  • The rail link is part of a broader plan to revive ancient Silk Road connections and reduce reliance on Western-dominated routes


Stephen Chen in Beijing
Published: 3:01pm, 27 Apr, 2023

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The China-Pakistan railway – China’s largest Belt and Road Initiative transport project – will cost an estimated 400 billion yuan (US$57.7 billion), but should proceed because of its strategic significance, a government-commissioned feasibility study has found.

The proposed railway, connecting Pakistan’s port of Gwadar to Kashgar in China’s Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, was assessed by scientists from the state-owned China Railway First Survey and Design Institute Group Co Ltd.

The team, led by the institute’s deputy director of capital operations Zhang Ling, said the project was the belt and road plan’s most expensive transport infrastructure.

Despite the cost, the project had the potential to reshape trade and geopolitics across the Eurasian continent and should be supported, the team said in a report published by the Chinese-language journal Railway Transport and Economy in April.

“The government and financial institutions [in China] should provide strong support, increase coordination and collaboration among relevant domestic departments, strive for the injection of support funds and provide strong policy support and guarantees for the construction of this project,” they said.

The institute is one of the largest of its kind in China and has been involved in many major railway projects at home and internationally, including Indonesia’s Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail line.

The 3,000km (1,860-mile) railway will link China’s western regions with the Arabian Sea, bypassing the Strait of Malacca and reducing dependence on the South China Sea.

Connections with other transport networks – including in Iran and Turkey – would also provide a more direct route to Europe for Chinese goods, while Pakistan is forecast to get a much-needed boost from the improved infrastructure and easier trade with China.

The scheme is a key component of Beijing’s broader belt and road plan to promote economic cooperation and connectivity among the countries along the ancient Silk Road trade routes.

Previous studies by Chinese government researchers have suggested the infrastructure initiative could have significant geopolitical implications, helping to shift the balance of power away from traditional Western-dominated trade routes.

As well as encouraging a more multipolar world order, the belt and road plan could also help to promote economic development and stability in countries along the route by creating jobs, boosting infrastructure investment and increasing trade, the studies said.

Most belt and road transport infrastructure construction projects had received a significant proportion of funding from the host countries, and the scale of investment was much smaller, Zhang and his colleagues noted.

For example, total investment in Kenya’s Mombasa-Nairobi standard gauge railway was US$3.8 billion, with China providing 5 per cent of the funding and Kenya paying for the rest.

The project connects the port city to the Kenyan capital and is part of a larger plan to link East African countries by rail. Similarly, China contributed 30 per cent of the US$4 billion funding for the Addis Ababa-Djibouti rail line in Ethiopia.

China covered 75 per cent of the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed railway’s costs of US$5.9 billion, with Indonesian state-owned enterprises providing the remainder.
But Pakistan is unable to make a similar contribution. Its GDP last year was US$370 billion – just six times the estimated cost of the project.

“Due to energy shortages, poor investment environment and fiscal deficits, Pakistan’s economic growth rate has come under pressure,” the team said.

“In terms of railway investment and construction, Pakistan is unable to provide sufficient financial and material support and mainly relies on Chinese enterprises for investment and construction.”

One reason for the hefty cost is the mountainous and geologically complex terrain along the route. There could be technical challenges to overcome in the construction and operation of the railway, the researchers said.

The project also required supporting infrastructure – such as ports and logistics facilities – that might not be immediately available in Pakistan, they said.

The study said Pakistan’s labour policies could be unpredictable, which could potentially affect the railway’s construction and operating costs.

The team also noted that Pakistan had experienced security challenges in recent years, including in its western region where the railway will pass through. Balochistan province, for instance, has been plagued by separatist violence for decades.

This could potentially disrupt construction and operation of the railway and pose a risk to Chinese workers and investments, the researchers said.

The study also pointed out the railway’s potential impact on neighbouring countries, such as India. With each country having its own priorities and interests, there could be disagreements or delays in decision-making related to the project, it said.

Zhang’s team suggested that a build and transfer (BT) model would provide the best investment and financing strategy for the project.

They considered BT against build-operate-transfer, public-private partnerships, and the engineering, procurement, construction mode that are becoming more popular in belt and road projects.

In the BT model, a contractor would be responsible for designing, building and financing the railway, with payment on completion and ownership transferred to the government or other commissioning entity.

The researchers said BT would allow the risks associated with the railway’s construction and operation to be allocated more effectively between China and Pakistan, potentially reducing the financial risks for both parties.

By ensuring that ownership of the railway was transferred to Pakistan, BT could also help to build trust between China and Pakistan by showing China’s commitment to supporting Pakistan’s long-term economic development, they said.

China and Pakistan have been talking for years about the railway, a crucial part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) that was launched in 2015 and aims to connect Gwadar port to Xinjiang through a network of roads, railways and pipelines.

The researchers said the China-Pakistan relationship was complex, with both countries having different priorities and interests.

Negotiating agreements related to financing, labour policies, and other issues would require careful consideration of each country’s priorities and interests, they said.

In conclusion, Zhang and his team said their recommendation could help to move negotiations forward.

As someone that advocated this for years, I feel vindicated. :azn:

Btw, the geopolitical implications of a Chinese rail link through Gilgit Baltistan is HUGE, especially in the matter of Kashmir. Also, it would also end the need for an Trans-Afghan rail corridor to get to Central Asia, meaning we could walk off Afghanistan and not be beholden to their shenanigans for fear of our greater regional economic ambitions. For Pakistan, via the route of this rail corridor, a possible electricity corridor could be built, similar to the CASA 1000 project, allowing Pakistani power plants to sell to the Chinese or central Asian markets, recouping the loan burdens and getting more electricity when need spikes in Pakistan.

I got a kick out of seeing this on Foxnews’ website.


Couple this with the news China brokered an understanding between Iran and Saudi Arabia, means an end to the Yemen war and increased viability of the GCC railway, with a Yemen portion (with a possible tunnel to Djibouti) which would make the Chinese investments in Gwadar the center of a major trade equatorial axis from Senegal to China if you consider the African rail links from Djibouti.

Fast cargo ships between Oman and Gwadar would make the crossing in under a day; so all manner of goods could be moved from China to all over Africa and all parts of Asia in a matter of Days rather then weeks.

This route and the speed at moving goods could also make many Chinese investments in Africa more viable, as rail corridors could move resources and goods back and forth to markets, outcompeting legacy companies that use more expensive transit routes like trucks.



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If the Swiss can do it, so can the Chinese.

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Do you know the average elevation of swiss and how many passes and routes it has northern Pakistan has 1 route that goes through low elevation and valleys rest of Northern Pakistan is non accessable by helicopter forget about trains Northern regions are high elevation coupled with some of the longest non polar glaciers on the planet.

The only reason we have the KKH is due to the natural river valley it generally runs along apart from this route there will be no other passable routes unless God flattens the mountains and glaciers.
 

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Mere Patwari bhai, even if Chinese built it for 58-100 billion $

How the hell would we pay for it?, This is a terrible idea
Pehle tho yeh possible hi nahi unless they build it alongside the KKH new route is impossible to make in KPK let alone Gilgit Baltistan.
 
Mere Patwari bhai, even if Chinese built it for 58-100 billion $

How the hell would we pay for it?, This is a terrible idea
I seriously doubt it would cost $58-100 billion. At the moment we are in the final stages to negotiate a deal to rehabilitate the Karachi-Peshawar ML-1 (1,687 km ) line which is estimated to be at around $10 billion. That will be our priority first. It is something like 3 billion from ADB, 1 billion from GoP and rest from China.

Do you know the average elevation of swiss and how many passes and routes it has northern Pakistan has 1 route that goes through low elevation and valleys rest of Northern Pakistan is non accessable by helicopter forget about trains Northern regions are high elevation coupled with some of the longest non polar glaciers on the planet.

The only reason we have the KKH is due to the natural river valley it generally runs along apart from this route there will be no other passable routes unless God flattens the mountains and glaciers.

Definitely not an easy task. Worst case scenario is we build a rail line up to Hazara. Railway goods can be transferred to trucks which could then carry on to China via KKH. But then didn't people also doubt KKH before it was built?

I will say this though I would prefer we prioritize and rehabilitate the Pakistan-Iran-Turkey rail line and go to standard gauge. That is much more economical and it benefits us strategically as well on the western side.

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