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ChatGPT, from San Francisco-based OpenAI, has captivated the attention of users around the world, leading some to call it a turning point for AI. Photo: TNS

ChatGPT, from San Francisco-based OpenAI, has captivated the attention of users around the world, leading some to call it a turning point for AI. Photo: TNS

A group of Chinese artificial intelligence (AI) experts and investors say ChatGPT is a watershed moment for the technology, possibly akin to the 1969 moon landing, as the hype swirling around the viral chatbot developed by San Francisco-based start-up OpenAI continues to gather pace.

During a live-streamed panel discussion hosted by internet portal Sina.com, Yuan Jinghui, a computer scientist who founded the Beijing-based start-up OneFlow, and Duan Yitao, the chief scientist at NetEase-backed edtech start-up Youdao, mused on whether the moon landing comparison was apt. Given the leap in language capabilities, it does reach that level of importance, Yuan said.

“Generally speaking, only humans developed language capabilities … [that represent] the jewel atop the crown of human intelligence. And the natural language processing capability [demonstrated by ChatGPT] is the jewel atop the crown of artificial intelligence,” said Yuan.

Duan agreed that ChatGPT marked a huge step forward for AI development.


“I think there wasn’t much real artificial intelligence in any similar technologies [that preceded ChatGPT],” Duan said in the webinar. “Only [ChatGPT] coming to the fore nudged us one step closer to real AI”.

As has happened in many other countries, people in China have been captivated by the capabilities of ChatGPT since it was launched at the end of November. The chatbot, based on OpenAI’s GPT-3 language models, has proven adept at giving convincing and sometimes detailed answers to sophisticated prompts, although it also often gives answers full of factual inaccuracies.

“ChatGPT sometimes writes plausible-sounding but incorrect or nonsensical answers,” OpenAI acknowledged on its website at launch.

Despite its limitations, the popularity of ChatGPT has ignited an AI arms race. Microsoft, an investor in OpenAI, has started integrating the tech into its products, including the Bing search engine. Google announced a “code red” and raced to put out a similar product called Bard, although an early preview offered up an incorrect response that sent the company’s shares down 9 per cent on Wednesday.

Chinese tech giants have also thrown their hats into the ring. Baidu, a leading investor in AI tech in China, announced that it would launch its Ernie Bot in March. The announcement led investors to push the company’s Hong Kong-listed shares up by more than 13 per cent.

Chatbots have a rocky past in China, where sensitive political information, even if factual, is often unwelcome by authorities. Microsoft’s Chinese chatbot Xiaoice, launched a decade ago, was once pulled from Tencent Holdings’ QQ messaging app for saying its “Chinese dream” was “moving to the United States”.

Xiaoice was spun off into a separate company in 2020. Its CEO Li Di also joined the discussion on Sina.

By using a large-scale language model to learn decades of human knowledge, OpenAI has disrupted pessimistic views that there would be little AI development in the next few years because of technological bottlenecks, Li said.


Still, like Xiaoice before it, ChatGPT’s ability to riff on any topic has made some companies skittish. While OpenAI does not make its service available in China, a plethora of third party apps using its application programming interface (API) have sprung up, and some tech companies are cracking down.

Tencent’s WeChat has blocked multiple ChatGPT mini programs since the service launched.

One software developer, who declined to be named, said his colleagues launched a ChatGPT mini program on Wednesday only for WeChat to remove it about seven hours later.

A market for OpenAI accounts, which cannot be created using Chinese phone numbers, has also sprung up on e-commerce sites. Alibaba Group Holding’s Taobao showed dozens of listings for such accounts on Wednesday. By Thursday, searches for “ChatGPT” and “OpenAI” returned no results.

It was not clear whether Taobao blocked the searches on its own or whether it was requested by regulators. Taobao and Alibaba, owner of the South China Morning Post, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Thursday.

Both hype and alarm may have exceeded ChatGPT’s capabilities, though. Shou Chong, a managing director at venture capital firm CCV, during the same panel discussion called the chatbot’s answers “mediocre”. He suggested that the real advancement would come when chatbots can offer insightful answers that do not just repeat information taken from elsewhere.

Xiaoice’s Li has also voiced concerns about cost. In December, Li told the National Business Daily that each ChatGPT query costs OpenAI a few US cents. “Hiring a human to handle queries might cost less,” he said.

Li also noted the trade-off between price and the quality of answers from massive language models. Although numerous large-scale models have been created, their practical applications are limited by high costs and latency, he said.

 
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This is a real feat. Now we are witnessing the start of an era.
 

Alibaba tests ChatGPT rival as Chinese tech giants like Baidu race to build country’s best AI chatbot​


Alibaba Group Holding said it is testing a ChatGPT-like service that takes advantage of its years of research in large language models, joining web search giant Baidu in a rush to create China’s answer to San Francisco-based OpenAI’s chatbot, which has set off a frenzy among investors and the general public.

A spokeswoman at Alibaba, owner of the South China Morning Post, confirmed on Thursday that the company’s research institute Damo Academy is conducting an internal testing, but did not provide a timetable for service launch.

Baidu previously said it expects to complete testing of Ernie Bot, its ChatGPT-like service, in March.

Sam Altman, CEO and co-founder of Open AI, speaks during an event at Microsoft, which is fusing ChatGPT-like technology into its Bing search engine. Photo: Bloomberg

Sam Altman, CEO and co-founder of Open AI, speaks during an event at Microsoft, which is fusing ChatGPT-like technology into its Bing search engine. Photo: Bloomberg

Alibaba, a Chinese e-commerce juggernaut, is also one of the country’s leading players in artificial intelligence (AI) research.

In April 2021, Damo introduced a natural language processing model – Pretraining for Language Understanding and Generation – which has 27 billion so-called parameters – a measure of the size and sophistication of an AI model. That same year, the institute built an AI model known as M6, calling it the world’s first 10-trillion-parameter pre-training model.
By comparison, OpenAI’s Generative Pre-trained Transformer 3 (GPT-3), the language processing model that underpins ChatGPT, launched in 2020 with 175 billion parameters.

In an annual report published last month, Damo listed “generative AI” – which creates new output based on a set of texts, images or audio files it has been trained on – as one of the top technology trends to watch for in 2023.

Besides Alibaba, other major Chinese tech companies have also touted plans to develop or apply ChatGPT-style services.

Baidu will incorporate Ernie Bot into its search engine, while CEO Robin Li Yanhong has set a key target in the first quarter for the company to “lead a generational disruption in the search experience”, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Tencent Holdings has laid out its strategy in related technologies, while research in specific subjects is advancing in an orderly manner, a company representative said.

JD.com, one of China’s top three online retailer platform operators, “is accelerating AI applications powered by ChatGPT-related technological achievements”, company vice-president He Xiaodong said in a statement on Thursday.

Video gaming giant NetEase is currently working on a product that “originates from the technology used by ChatGPT” for its online education business, according to a report by Shanghai Securities Journal on Wednesday.

ChatGPT is a conversational AI software developed by US start-up OpenAI. Photo: TNS


ChatGPT is a conversational AI software developed by US start-up OpenAI. Photo: TNS

ChatGPT, released to the general public just over two months ago, has been widely discussed regarding its ability to hold humanlike conversations on topics from poetry to history, write lyrics and university-level essays, and dispense life advice.

The trend has caught on even in China, where ChatGPT is unavailable.
The ChatGPT Index, compiled by Shanghai-based data service provider Wind based on nearly 30 AI companies listed in mainland China, jumped over 16 per cent in the past five trading days.

Shanghai-listed Cloud Walk Technology and Shenzhen-listed Hanwang Technology have both received inquiries from their respective stock exchanges after their share prices doubled in three weeks, driven by announcements that they are working on ChatGPT-like technology.

Meanwhile, a string of domestic start-ups are offering access to ChatGPT or similar services through Tencent’s WeChat app, but they are only available to users who know where to look.

A search for “ChatGPT” mini-programs on WeChat returned zero results on Thursday, although there had been several mini-programs named after the OpenAI bot offering trial use.

Shanghai-based Entropy Cloud Network Technology, which has launched a chatbot on WeChat that it said was built on technologies similar to ChatGPT’s, renamed its service from “ChatGPT Online” to “AI Conversation” on Wednesday.

Chat Dada, a public account on WeChat, provides a free service that allows users to ask ChatGPT five questions a day without bypassing China’s Great Firewall internet censorship mechanism. It recently rebranded itself as “GPT Dada” after some users complained that the original name had misled them into believing that the account was affiliated with ChatGPT.

Tencent did not immediately respond to a request for comment on its policy over the operation of ChatGPT-related services on WeChat.
 

ChatGPT, from San Francisco-based OpenAI, has captivated the attention of users around the world, leading some to call it a turning point for AI. Photo: TNS

ChatGPT, from San Francisco-based OpenAI, has captivated the attention of users around the world, leading some to call it a turning point for AI. Photo: TNS

A group of Chinese artificial intelligence (AI) experts and investors say ChatGPT is a watershed moment for the technology, possibly akin to the 1969 moon landing, as the hype swirling around the viral chatbot developed by San Francisco-based start-up OpenAI continues to gather pace.

During a live-streamed panel discussion hosted by internet portal Sina.com, Yuan Jinghui, a computer scientist who founded the Beijing-based start-up OneFlow, and Duan Yitao, the chief scientist at NetEase-backed edtech start-up Youdao, mused on whether the moon landing comparison was apt. Given the leap in language capabilities, it does reach that level of importance, Yuan said.

“Generally speaking, only humans developed language capabilities … [that represent] the jewel atop the crown of human intelligence. And the natural language processing capability [demonstrated by ChatGPT] is the jewel atop the crown of artificial intelligence,” said Yuan.

Duan agreed that ChatGPT marked a huge step forward for AI development.


“I think there wasn’t much real artificial intelligence in any similar technologies [that preceded ChatGPT],” Duan said in the webinar. “Only [ChatGPT] coming to the fore nudged us one step closer to real AI”.

As has happened in many other countries, people in China have been captivated by the capabilities of ChatGPT since it was launched at the end of November. The chatbot, based on OpenAI’s GPT-3 language models, has proven adept at giving convincing and sometimes detailed answers to sophisticated prompts, although it also often gives answers full of factual inaccuracies.

“ChatGPT sometimes writes plausible-sounding but incorrect or nonsensical answers,” OpenAI acknowledged on its website at launch.

Despite its limitations, the popularity of ChatGPT has ignited an AI arms race. Microsoft, an investor in OpenAI, has started integrating the tech into its products, including the Bing search engine. Google announced a “code red” and raced to put out a similar product called Bard, although an early preview offered up an incorrect response that sent the company’s shares down 9 per cent on Wednesday.

Chinese tech giants have also thrown their hats into the ring. Baidu, a leading investor in AI tech in China, announced that it would launch its Ernie Bot in March. The announcement led investors to push the company’s Hong Kong-listed shares up by more than 13 per cent.

Chatbots have a rocky past in China, where sensitive political information, even if factual, is often unwelcome by authorities. Microsoft’s Chinese chatbot Xiaoice, launched a decade ago, was once pulled from Tencent Holdings’ QQ messaging app for saying its “Chinese dream” was “moving to the United States”.

Xiaoice was spun off into a separate company in 2020. Its CEO Li Di also joined the discussion on Sina.

By using a large-scale language model to learn decades of human knowledge, OpenAI has disrupted pessimistic views that there would be little AI development in the next few years because of technological bottlenecks, Li said.


Still, like Xiaoice before it, ChatGPT’s ability to riff on any topic has made some companies skittish. While OpenAI does not make its service available in China, a plethora of third party apps using its application programming interface (API) have sprung up, and some tech companies are cracking down.

Tencent’s WeChat has blocked multiple ChatGPT mini programs since the service launched.

One software developer, who declined to be named, said his colleagues launched a ChatGPT mini program on Wednesday only for WeChat to remove it about seven hours later.

A market for OpenAI accounts, which cannot be created using Chinese phone numbers, has also sprung up on e-commerce sites. Alibaba Group Holding’s Taobao showed dozens of listings for such accounts on Wednesday. By Thursday, searches for “ChatGPT” and “OpenAI” returned no results.

It was not clear whether Taobao blocked the searches on its own or whether it was requested by regulators. Taobao and Alibaba, owner of the South China Morning Post, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Thursday.

Both hype and alarm may have exceeded ChatGPT’s capabilities, though. Shou Chong, a managing director at venture capital firm CCV, during the same panel discussion called the chatbot’s answers “mediocre”. He suggested that the real advancement would come when chatbots can offer insightful answers that do not just repeat information taken from elsewhere.

Xiaoice’s Li has also voiced concerns about cost. In December, Li told the National Business Daily that each ChatGPT query costs OpenAI a few US cents. “Hiring a human to handle queries might cost less,” he said.

Li also noted the trade-off between price and the quality of answers from massive language models. Although numerous large-scale models have been created, their practical applications are limited by high costs and latency, he said.



US AI continues to lead the way!!!
 
The US just keeps stacking wins. ChatGPT, IBMs Osprey quantum processor, nuclear fusion, Artemis 1, etc etc

There is more coming. I read somewhere that intel is working on a 1 armstrong chip- that will be a fraction of the levels current chips are being built.
And the new fabs they're building in US will make it one of the biggest manufacturers of chips in the world again.
 
Not for nuclear fussion and artemis. Those are head to head with China.

China is supposedly our competition and yet the US continues to make breakthrough after breakthrough.

Not only that, but now Japan, Australia, and the Philippines are allowing expanded US military basing and force posture. Japan is rearming…

Russia is getting obliterated by only a fraction of what the US military spends in a year.

US economy is surging and unemployment at a 54 year low.

US just stacking those Dubs….
 
China is supposedly our competition and yet the US continues to make breakthrough after breakthrough.

Not only that, but now Japan, Australia, and the Philippines are allowing expanded US military basing and force posture. Japan is rearming…

Russia is getting obliterated by only a fraction of what the US military spends in a year.

US economy is surging and unemployment at a 54 year low.

US just stacking those Dubs….

An the Chinese semiconductor and AI industries are getting sanctioned to the Stone Age and Japan and the Dutch are on board. Keep stacking….
 
Not for nuclear fussion and artemis. Those are head to head with China.

How is any of this 'head to head' with China? The americans landed a moon mission before, proved they are landing again and China is put propoganda pieces to counter it. US actuall proved it can do fusion while China just made press releases while being nowhere close to that technology.

There is no china anywhere here.
 
How is any of this 'head to head' with China? The americans landed a moon mission before, proved they are landing again and China is put propoganda pieces to counter it. US actuall proved it can do fusion while China just made press releases while being nowhere close to that technology.

There is no china anywhere here.


Let’s not forget SpaceX
 
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