Iranian Protests

[shadihassan28]

The problem here is that without the "master", living in a sovereign desert you will likely no have bone neither meat at all.

Life in a desert without oil is a hard thing, and that's not Israel fault.

Lebanon is not under Israeli occupation and Arab Lebanese people have worst living standards than Arab Israeli people.

About Israeli violence, it's a shame for both sides, whatever that law says, people kill each other so easily there. But I think the hate is greater from the Palestinian against Jews, than from Jews against Palestinian.

I don’t want to derail this because it’s about the protests in iran, one we’re not talking about the lifestyles of Arabs in any country, yes Lebanon sadly is going to waste hopefully it will come back stronger one, again we are talking about current situations not what ifs, what if this what if that, it’s what’s happening right now. Sorry I’m pretty sure the side that’s now openly calling for the extermination and deportation of Palestinians in Israel and Israeli occupied lands wins, I would definitely love to see him deport and kill off several million people, sadly I think he’s crazy enough to try, so yeah if can convince Netanyahu with a get of jail free card he will try, instead of a few riots/protests there’s going to be open revolt. PA “leaders” are corrupt, Hamas is having an identity crisis and least your people have voted for corrupt and narcissistic “leaders”, maybe the next generation on both sides.

 

[Beny Karachun]

They aren't going anywhere, if they run the Jews win,, Muslims will soak up the pressure in Israel same as all Palestinians

If anyone supports apartheid in Israel doesn't have the right to tell anyone about democracy or human rights etc

Okay yes all Arabs drive bmws have a higher standard of living than even Jews in Israel probably, honestly if you actually believe any of that you definitely don’t live in Israel, go to west Jerusalem and East Jerusalem if you live there and tell me you don’t see a difference, honestly you aren’t a great manipulator again maybe many people on this site have not been to Palestine/Israel I have.

I live in a city with almost 40 percent Arabs, and surrounded by a bunch of Arab villages, Arabs have a better economical state than most Jews, they usually avoid taxes, have their own construction companies, truck delivery company, painting, house renovation or whatever. They almost always live as big families and live a very good life.

I don’t want to derail this because it’s about the protests in iran, one we’re not talking about the lifestyles of Arabs in any country, yes Lebanon sadly is going to waste hopefully it will come back stronger one, again we are talking about current situations not what ifs, what if this what if that, it’s what’s happening right now. Sorry I’m pretty sure the side that’s now openly calling for the extermination and deportation of Palestinians in Israel and Israeli occupied lands wins, I would definitely love to see him deport and kill off several million people, sadly I think he’s crazy enough to try, so yeah if can convince Netanyahu with a get of jail free card he will try, instead of a few riots/protests there’s going to be open revolt. PA “leaders” are corrupt, Hamas is having an identity crisis and least your people have voted for corrupt and narcissistic “leaders”, maybe the next generation on both sides.

Sucks, because Netanyahu is coming back, big time, with Ben Gvir as well

 

[SalarHaqq]

Spain is a artificial construct? by who? Roman Empire? . Spain is one of most ancient states continuously working.

A late 15th century / early 16th century invention.

Supreme leader is non Persian, but he's obviously shiite.

If you are non-Persian and non-Shiite your worth is zero for Iran regime, you count nothing, you are not a human being.

Iran mistreat all Iranian non-shiite and non-Persian in their own country. Something common in unstable mini-empires regimes.

Two consecutive sentences were enough for a blatant self-contradiction. The Supreme Leader is Azari, but if you are non-Persian then you are "not a human being". Outstanding "logic"!

And a clear projection of traditional western-zionist practices on Iran.

You compare Anglo-Saxon and Spanish colonialism, take a look to Latin America nowadays and tell me where is the Spanish genocide, there is plenty of Native descendent people.

About 50 million Natives where living on the "American" continent at the onset of the Spanish invasion. Some two centuries later, less than 2 million were left. Some historians consider it as the biggest genocide to have ever taken place.

Anyway, those are crimes from centuries ago. And now who is opressing ethnics minorities is Iran, it's not Anglo-Saxons or Spaniards.

No "ethnic" minority's being oppressed in Iran. Members of minorities can and do access the highest positions of power in the country. That's the exact contrary of oppression.

In Spain, it hasn't been six years since police repressed minority Catalans holding a vote, and the regime in Madrid tried democratically elected regional officials.

Iran mistreat all Iranian non-shiite and non-Persian in their own country. Something common in unstable mini-empires regimes.

Non-Persians occupy key positions across the board in Iranian politics, economy and society. Non-Shias are also well represented in proportion to their small numbers. Minorities in Iran do not face discrimination, unlike minorities in the western-zionist world.

Claims to the contrary are unsubstantiated, devoid of basis and directly echoing the zionist agenda to balkanize Iran along so-called "ethnic" lines. It follows that those who're relentlessly spreading this propaganda are seeking to support this zionist / neo-con / lib-hawk agenda.

Comparisons with the plight of Arabs holding zionist regime "citizenship" represent the ultimate form of sarcasm. Knowing that the apartheid regime in Tel Aviv isn't shying away from implementing racist laws which restrict marriage between Jews and non-Jews, in addition to treating Arabs as less than fifth class citizens and subjecting them to constant racist abuse. Something Iranians, who avidly intermarry between various sub-national linguistic groups, cannot imagine in their worst nightmares.

Israel renews racist marriage law

Measure similar to apartheid laws in South Africa.

electronicintifada.net

 

[lydian fall]

There is no room for CIA charged separatists

I hope civil wars hit the US and European union

Iran is not the countries the west has bases or attacked

 

[SalarHaqq]

Cold blooded Murder! Shocks the conscience!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1587458124482580480

1) No evidence as to what munition was used here. Could've been a non-lethal round, a hypothesis strengthened by the fact that the individual keeps moving after the shot.

2) Interestingly, the person filming the scene or his interlocutor whispers "haqqeshe", which in Persian means "he deserves it". Chances are that the individual immobilized by law enforcement had committed a serious offense just prior to the shown sequence, and that the video was deliberately edited.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1587485499542982656

Mass Murder. This regime should be banned from the United Nations and completely cut from any access with the civilized world. They are on par with Khmer Rouge. The entire people of middle will breathe a sigh of relief when this garbage regime is gone.

Sure, "on par with the Khmer Rouge", who're estimated to have eliminated between 2 and 3 million Cambodians out of a total population of 7,1 million, whereas oppositionist sources themselves put the number of those killed in Iran at less than 250 out of a population of 85 million - the real number is likely far smaller, and whereas at least 30 law enforcement agents were murdered by rioters, which means we're not talking about a policy of repression against random uninvolved citizens but about a clash between public authorities and violent outlaws.

The Khmer Rouge set their sights on a number of defined categories of citizens - previous military and political leadership, business leaders, journalists, students, doctors, lawyers, Buddhists, Chams, Thais, Muslims, Chinese Cambodians, Christian Cambodians, intellectuals, Vietnamese Cambodians, and went about persecuting, arresting and then mass murdering these in a systematic manner inside camps and killing fields. Which couldn't be any more different from events in Iran.

To even mention the Cambodian genocide in this context, frankly smacks of disconnectedness from reality. Moreover, if any party is showing signs of intentions to physically eliminate a specific segment of the Iranian population, it's the rioters and/or their supporters, like one of the cited "Twitter" users who days ago annotated a contributions of theirs with following comment: "Iranians no longer tolerate the existence of [Shia Moslem] clerics". This right there is Khmer Rouge-style language, and the Iranian government isnt the one employing it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1587598185752567808

Promoting armed separatist grouplets which claim to represent Kurdish Iranians now? I thought these aren't playing any role. Also, how does this square with patriotism?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1587631805301026816

Honestly fail to see what's special about this footage. Someone's being arrested in a manner witnessed about everywhere across the globe, including liberal so-called "democracies" of the west, which have resorted to far greater degrees of violence in the face of much tamer adversity.

By the way, congratulations on receiving "likes" from local zionists.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Shahid Arman Aliverdi, a Islamic religious student in his early twenties and member of the Basij popular mobilization, savagely beaten to death by rioters in Tehran this week. A group of rioters surrounded and tried to force Aliverdi to pronounce he words "death to Khamenei". Since the martyr refused to comply, they murdered the defenceless student brutally.

Details in the article below:

https://www.mehrnews.com/news/5619402/

Aliverdi's murderers are examples of so-called "democratic protesters" sponsored by the zionist and western regimes.

The criminals were quickly caught by law enforcement and will face trial soon.

Watch images of their arrest at the following link (from 8:05 in the video):

ÙÛÙÙ/ ÙØظ٠دستگÛØ±Û ÙاتÙا٠شÙÛد «آرÙا٠عÙÛâÙردÛ»

تصاÙÛر ÙØظ٠دستگÛØ±Û ÚÙد ÙÙر از ÙتÙÙا٠شÙادت «آرÙا٠عÙÛâÙردÛ».

www.mashreghnews.ir

 

[Hack-Hook]

1) No evidence as to what munition was used here. Could've been a non-lethal round, a hypothesis strengthened by the fact that the individual keeps moving after the shot.

2) Interestingly, the person filming the scene or his interlocutor whispers "haqqeshe", which in Persian means "he deserves it". Chances are that the individual immobilized by law enforcement had committed a serious offense just prior to the shown sequence, and that the video was deliberately edited.

don't recall you saw USA and Israel police actions in that light ,
also wonder what was the crime that the punishment was breaking his house door beating him to death with baton and fire at him with shotgun point blank ,and then sit on the motor and leave the area instead of arresting him and let judiciary system decide .
the fact is that he was shot at when he was immobile and helpless on ground is the problem
even if that was a training bullet without any shrapnel in it at point blank its very damaging and even lethal.
and about he moving , really , he was moving , he was shot at and for less than 1 sec he was moving and then no movement . and those guys sat on the bike and escaped the scene, pretty much tell what has happened .

 

[SalarHaqq]

don't recall you saw USA and Israel police actions in that light ,

No idea what you're talking about.

also wonder what was the crime

...given that the person commenting in the clip is clearly saying the immobilized individual "deserved it".

that the punishment was breaking his house door beating him to death with baton and fire at him with shotgun point blank ,and then sit on the motor and leave the area instead of arresting him and let judiciary system decide .

Produce some evidence that the individual was "beaten to death".

Produce evidence that the shotgun was loaded with live ammunition.

and about he moving , really , he was moving , he was shot at and for less than 1 sec he was moving and then no movement .

No, the arm / elbow can be seen moving at the ultimate instants of the video.

and those guys sat on the bike and escaped the scene, pretty much tell what has happened .

What's telling is the "haqqeshe" whispered by one of the witnesses who were filming. As well as the 30 law enforcement agents murdered by rioters, in addition to many more attempted murders.

 

[Hack-Hook]

...given that the person commenting in the clip is clearly saying the immobilized individual "deserved it".

deserve what , so recently it become police duty to decide what people deserve , have always taught a judge most decide on that .

No idea what you're trying to babble about.

you very well knew , for example some hooligan who mixed with black live matters protest , or a certain 13sec video from an incident that take 10min ,

Show some evidence that the individual was "beaten to death".

Show evidence that the shotgun was loaded with live ammunition.

look at the video and beaten to the death . don't mean killed , it mean severely beaten that he could do nothing m well until the last part that he was shot at at point blank
and by the way if he deserve it was true then the rest of the talk on the video was also truth , go see it again

No, the arm / elbow can be seen moving at the very last instants of the video.

as i said for less than a second , and arm and movement is some spasm , and neuron reflexes , when they cut the head of a sheep do it become immobile immediately, don't it kick at first ?

No, it doesn't.

look at it , they sat on the bile and moved and the video then stop, no arrest , no call for ambulance nothing else

 

[SalarHaqq]

deserve what , so recently it become police duty to decide what people deserve , have always taught a judge most decide on that .

It's the duty of law enforcement to neutralize rioters and other violent outlaw elements.

you very well knew , for example some hooligan who mixed with black live matters protest ,

Don't remember commenting on such.

or a certain 13sec video from an incident that take 10min ,

My post was crystal clear: I shared those images with the sole purpose of offering a visual illustration of what the verb "to hit" means. No more and no less. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Got it? If yes, stop trying to twist my words.

look at the video and beaten to the death . don't mean killed ,

Beating to death means killing.

and by the way if he deserve it was true then the rest of the talk on the video was also truth , go see it again

No need.

as i said for less than a second ,

For the second time: elbow movement can be made out in the last frames. Therefore, it's not "for less than a second".

and arm and movement is some spasm , and neuron reflexes , when they cut the head of a sheep do it become immobile immediately, don't it kick at first ?

Provide proof that this applies in the case at hand.

look at it , they sat on the bile and moved and the video then stop, no arrest , no call for ambulance nothing else

Implies nothing much with regards to your insinuations.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It's the duty of law enforcement to neutralize rioters and other violent elements.

and the video showed how violent he was .
isn't it also part of their duty to arrest them and hand over them to judiciary systems ?
and since when it become their duty to shot at them point blank when they are fallen on the ground , and can't threaten anybody.

My post was crystal clear: I shared those images with the sole purpose of offering a visual illustration of what the verb "to hit" means. No more and no less. Do you understand that, or does it exceed your cognitive abilities?

If yes, stop lying and trying to clumsily twist my words.

this video exactly showed what to hit means . so add it to the list of your videos when you wanted to post such things again.

No need.

as you knew what they are talking but opted to not care about the rest of the discussion , as it was against your narrative.

For the second time: elbow movement can be made out in the last frames. So no, it's not "for less than a second".

ok , less than two seconds , a sheep that its throat have been cut move far more

Provide proof for this allegation.

for what for a sheep move more when its throat is cut.
what I provide he was shot at point blank
you claim the shot was non lethal , prove it

Implies nothing much.

show it sit on the bike and the bike moved , you expect them follow the guys to their base ?


these are Basij forces and they have zero discipline . you can continue this discussion with yourself , all that was needed to be said is already told . and i don't like to continue this useless debate anymore

 

[SalarHaqq]

and the video showed how violent he was .

By definition, the clip doesn't present what took place earlier. The commenter is providing a potential hint. So are the 30 murdered law enforcement agents.

isn't it also part of their duty to arrest them and hand over them to judiciary systems ?

There's zero evidence they didn't. Apart from the bike-riding officers, several others were standing next to the individual and can be seen on foot about one second before the end of the footage.

So you're allegation that all law enforcement units drove away after this scene is unsubstantiated.

and since when it become their duty to shot at them point blank when they are fallen on the ground , and can't threaten anybody.

Being on the ground doesn't imply being unable to pose a threat. A knife or gun can be drawn, an explosive device activated etc.

this video exactly showed what to hit means . so add it to the list of your videos when you wanted to post such things again.

The event documented by this clip also had a prequel which is not shown. As well as a commenter suggesting "he deserves it". And a context in which violent rioters murdered 30 law enforcement personnel and injured many more, in which armed separatist grouplets and major foreign powers and their propaganda apparatus spreading lies are involved, in which "I"SIS staged a terrorist attack.

I will add this clip to the list of videos to use when similar circumstances arise.

as you knew what they are talking but opted to not care about the rest of the discussion , as it was against your narrative.

It doesn't disprove my points at all.

ok , less than two seconds , a sheep that its throat have been cut move far more

Elbow movement is visible in the last frames of the footage. Simply put, the individual never lost the ability to move for the entire duration of the clip.

Not to mention that not a single drop of blood is visible after the shot.

for what for a sheep move more when its throat is cut.
what I provide he was shot at point blank
you claim the shot was non lethal , prove it

In other words, you have no evidence that the individual lost his life and your suggestion was therefore baseless.

show it sit on the bike and the bike moved , you expect them follow the guys to their base ?

No, every law enforcement unit involved is not seen driving away.

these are Basij forces and they have zero discipline .

Again no evidence, just mere biased assumption.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Hack-Hook]

By definition, the clip doesn't present what took place earlier. The commenter is providing a potential hint. So are the 30 murdered law enforcement agents.

even if he murdered 6 law enforcement , personnel just 30 min before by law those basij member had no right to shoot at him point blank when he was fallen on the ground , beaten to death and no threat to anybody

There's zero evidence they didn't. Apart from the bike-riding officers, several others were standing next to the individual and can be seen on foot about one second before the end of the footage.

So you're allegation that all law enforcement units drove away after this scene is unsubstantiated.

look at it all were on bike and moving away those two on foot hitting beating the hell out of him and then shoot at him then sit on their bike and went away . which one exactly stayed to arrest him ?
also if you look at video , it say they break the door of the house , the question is who gave them the right to break into the house without a judiciary rule ?

Being on the ground doesn't imply being unable to pose a threat. A knife or gun can be drawn, an explosive device activated etc.

yes the video is clear on how threatening his movement was
and I hope never hear anything about George Floyd from you in future

The event documented by this clip also had a prequel which is not shown. As well as a commenter suggesting "he deserves it". And a context in which violent rioters murdered 30 law enforcement personnel and injured many more, in which armed separatist grouplets are involved, in which "I"SIS staged a terrorist attack.

I will add this clip to the list of videos to use when similar circumstances arise.

and how many protesters killed by law enforcement . are you aware the number surpass the number of the ones killed in revolution by security forces ?

and as i see the guy is no threat to anybody when he is shot at
remind me of this from 6 years ago

It doesn't disprove my points at all.

that show many other things and about he deserve it comment , it may mean a lot of thing . maybe the guy had problem with the poor one who get executed , maybe that morning they had fight and he say حقش بود don't you think the world is used in that context in Persian . specially if you look at the video you understand the one who say he deserve it come later and was not present at the beginning of the incident

Elbow movement is visible in the last frames of the footage. Simply put, the individual never lost the ability to move for the entire duration of that clip.

Not to mention that no blood is visible at all after the shot.

for god sake its shot gun , it take time for the blood to be shown from those hundreds of small wounds and itis not long enough . and as i told you can move his hand show nothing a sheep that its throat is cut also can kick for a time .

No, every law enforcement unit involved is not seen driving away.

because they are already driven away and these guys were the last ones

Again no evidence, just mere biased assumption.

sorry but civilian clothes no visible insignia and the fact that they are riding with bikes and attack people when they are in numbers is enough for every body who live in Iran to say to you they are basij. you are outside of Iran and no nothing about things that happening here

In other words, you have no evidence that the individual lost his life and your suggestion was therefore baseless.

in short being fired point blank at with a shot gun is enough and then escaping the scene is enough for anybody who is not coworker with these guys

to consider him dead or seriously injured
from now you can talk with yourself about the video

 

[SalarHaqq]

even if he murdered 6 law enforcement , personnel just 30 min before by law those basij member had no right to shoot at him point blank when he was fallen on the ground , beaten to death and no threat to anybody

Nobody was "beaten to death", cease repeating this falsehood.

Rather than repeating unsubstantiated drivel, provide evidence those are Basij members.

An individual lying on the ground can represent a threat under specific circumstances.

look at it all were on bike and moving away those two on foot hitting beating the hell out of him and then shoot at him then sit on their bike and went away . which one exactly stayed to arrest him ?

The camera is zoomed in during the later part of the video, so there's no evidence that all law enforcement personnel had driven away.

also if you look at video , it say they break the door of the house , the question is who gave them the right to break into the house without a judiciary rule ?

Legislation regulating hot pursuit.

yes the video is clear on how threatening his movement was
and I hope never hear anything about George Floyd from you in future

George Floyd's immediate movements and actions prior to his murder at the hands of USA police are documented. Those of the individual in the case under discussion aren't. Depending on the hypothetical offense may have committed, which is probably what caused one of the commenters to say "he deserves it", the intensity of the threat will be assessed in a variable way.

and how many protesters killed by law enforcement . are you aware the number surpass the number of the ones killed in revolution by security forces ?

Also during the Islamic Revolution people did not begin blindly attacking law enforcement, unlike rioters in recent events.

and as i see the guy is no threat to anybody when he is shot at
remind me of this from 6 years ago

Except that in one case, non-lethal ammunition appears to have been used, in the other someone was murdered by zionists.

that show many other things and about he deserve it comment , it may mean a lot of thing . maybe the guy had problem with the poor one who get executed , maybe that morning they had fight and he say حقش بود don't you think the world is used in that context in Persian . specially if you look at the video you understand the one who say he deserve it come later and was not present at the beginning of the incident

Preposterous claim. He could have stood there all the time while remaining silent until the moment he is heard speaking.

for god sake its shot gun , it take time for the blood to be shown from those hundreds of small wounds and itis not long enough .

Fire from a shotgun from close enough range can rip sizeable chunks off a person's body, no less.

and as i told you can move his hand show nothing a sheep that its throat is cut also can kick for a time .

In other words, there's no evidence to corroborate the contention that the individual was shot at with live ammunition.

because they are already driven away and these guys were the last ones

No proof for that, and not every unit is explicitly seen driving away.

sorry but civilian clothes

Law enforcement have plain clothes agents in their ranks.

no visible insignia

Such details cannot be discerned considering the quality and resolution of the footage, as well as the darkness of the night.

and the fact that they are riding with bikes and attack people when they are in numbers is enough for every body who live in Iran to say to you they are basij. you are outside of Iran and no nothing about things that happening here

This ("everybody knows") is a standard fallacy designated by the term argumentum ad populum.

Thanks for confirming that there's nothing of substance to back your assumption up with.

in short being fired point blank at with a shot gun is enough and then escaping the scene is enough for anybody who is not coworker with these guys

to consider him dead or seriously injured

Ironic coming from a user who takes the notoriously propagandistic claims of the zionist military about the performance of their military equipment at face value.

from now you can talk with yourself about the video

Yes, sure.