Libya and Turkey sign two agreements on hydrocarbons

[Oublious]

As far as my memory goes the only ones whos been roleplaying as a pirate in the med was Turkey signing deals that never get applied on ground as it is illegal by international law and these deals are being signed with a goverment who cant make international agreements by the law and its expiary rate is long gone

yes egypt stronk will defend arabs but Libyan against Greece you watched the other way.


International law can you wash to the toilet, as you can see Libyan who want to defend and lead ther country are attacked by a Arab country named Egypt with Eu countries. Only thing is extract the rich raw materials...

Greece signed a treaty but do not recognize it, international law is nothing if you not strong. Might is right and Libyan chose Turkey. So what you and European colonist can do is drink a cold water.

 

[Hydration]

yes egypt stronk will defend arabs but Libyan against Greece you watched the other way.


International law can you wash to the toilet, as you can see Libyan who want to defend and lead ther country are attacked by a Arab country named Egypt with Eu countries. Only thing is extract the rich raw materials...

Greece signed a treaty but do not recognize it, international law is nothing if you not strong. Might is right and Libyan chose Turkey. So what you and European colonist can do is drink a cold water.

 

[Foinikas]

Greece signed a treaty but do not recognize it, international law is nothing if you not strong. Might is right and Libyan chose Turkey. So what you and European colonist can do is drink a cold water.

Which treaty would that be?

 

[TNT]

@Hydration @Ghostkiller Here we go again with the "western puppet dictator"...

Sissi looks after Egypt's interests. He's not bowing to Sultans and Yahoodis.

Ertugrul Pakistanis can't understand that this is our land,our sea. These are our islands,our turf. They had been for thousands of years. International Law and the entire region is with us. The only one who has a problem like always,is Turkey.

Well if Turkey abides to international law so much,they can take this matter to the International Court,instead of threatening with war. They could also sign UNCLOS,but they won't.

They unilateraly declared their EEZ in the Black Sea,back in the '80s. Didn't you read that? And now they're nagging about our EEZ.

Black sea distribution is fair, just look at the map. Turkey gets largest because is shore is also the largest. Not that complex u see.

Any how i know its useless arguing with u but my point generally for greeks is to reduce ur expectations and then maybe its settled peacefully. Erdogan have shown that he is ready to improve relations with anyone, like with UAE, Saudi and Egypt. Maybe itll work with Greece too.

First of all, let's clarify the following as regards UNCLOS:
1- UNCLOS gives you the right to EEZ, up to 200 n.m. or the midline.
2-UNCLOS gives the right to EEZs, even to islands or islets, which have an economic life.
3-The middle line also concerns the islands with economic life, if there is a dispute, then the parties go to an international court.

How is the EEZ agreement reached between two countries?
Accordance International Law, the following procedure is followed:

1- Initial talks between the two states based on the basis of reciprocity and good neighborliness.
2- If the talks fail, then they continue based on the Law of the Sea(UNCLOS).
3- If a country disagree or does not accept the UNCLOS, then both they go to International Courts.
4- If a country does not even accept the jurisdiction of the International Courts, then it threatens, invades, bullying and act as the troublemaker of the region.

Guess which country is this?

Greece has officially revoked EEZ as below:
1- With Italy at the West, via bilateral agreement, full EEZ agreement
2- With Egypt at the South East, via bilateral agreement, partially EEZ.
3- With Libya, at the North, media line.
4-No official position (map or coordinates) regarding the East.

Any objection to these ?

An Island with economic life would mean an Island nation. So its the mid line between Greece and Turkey, why u guys dont accept that?

 

[Foinikas]

Black sea distribution is fair, just look at the map. Turkey gets largest because is shore is also the largest. Not that complex u see.

Ok check this out:

At the end of 1986, Turkey unilaterally proclaimed a two hundred mile EEZ in the Black Sea. This move was in accordance with the provisions of UNCLOS, which Turkey has ironically never signed or ratified. Concurrently, Turkey reached an agreement on delimitation of the EEZ with the Soviet Union. This agreement used the equidistance method. There were no provisions of special circumstances or any reference to enclosed or semi-enclosed seas.


Thus Turkey, by accepting the concept of the EEZ as developed through UNCLOS, has weakened its position vis-à-vis Greece. Turkey’s attempt to implement a double standard position regarding the treatment of two semi-enclosed seas (Black and Aegean) is difficult to defend. It is simply an attempt to make a clear differentiation between delimitation of its maritime boundaries in the Black Sea and the Aegean Sea. A country cannot make a convincing argument by selectively choosing the parts of the convention it likes or dislikes.

That's the point....

Erdogan have shown that he is ready to improve relations with anyone, like with UAE, Saudi and Egypt. Maybe itll work with Greece too.

Only if we submit to his demands. We're not Saudi Arabia,UAE nor Egypt. We don't have the military power and support of Israel. The only way Erdogan and Akar will restore relations with us is if we give them EVERYTHING they want:
1.Half the Aegean as EEZ
2.The entire EEZ south of Kastellorizo
3.Their Turkish-Libyan agreement EEZ
4.Remove all garissons from the islands
5.Stop modernizing our Army.

Basically this is what they nag about every day.

The other way Erdogan and Akar can stop their aggressive rhetoric is if they get a very big slap from bigger countries,which will destroy their economy or impose a heavy embargo on them.

Unfortunately,that's how it is.

Black sea distribution is fair, just look at the map. Turkey gets largest because is shore is also the largest. Not that complex u see.

Any how i know its useless arguing with u but my point generally for greeks is to reduce ur expectations and then maybe its settled peacefully. Erdogan have shown that he is ready to improve relations with anyone, like with UAE, Saudi and Egypt. Maybe itll work with Greece too.



An Island with economic life would mean an Island nation. So its the mid line between Greece and Turkey, why u guys dont accept that?

Not an island nation. A nation with islands that have economic life he means.

 

[TNT]

Ok check this out:

At the end of 1986, Turkey unilaterally proclaimed a two hundred mile EEZ in the Black Sea. This move was in accordance with the provisions of UNCLOS, which Turkey has ironically never signed or ratified. Concurrently, Turkey reached an agreement on delimitation of the EEZ with the Soviet Union. This agreement used the equidistance method. There were no provisions of special circumstances or any reference to enclosed or semi-enclosed seas.


Thus Turkey, by accepting the concept of the EEZ as developed through UNCLOS, has weakened its position vis-à-vis Greece. Turkey’s attempt to implement a double standard position regarding the treatment of two semi-enclosed seas (Black and Aegean) is difficult to defend. It is simply an attempt to make a clear differentiation between delimitation of its maritime boundaries in the Black Sea and the Aegean Sea. A country cannot make a convincing argument by selectively choosing the parts of the convention it likes or dislikes.

That's the point....



Only if we submit to his demands. We're not Saudi Arabia,UAE nor Egypt. We don't have the military power and support of Israel. The only way Erdogan and Akar will restore relations with us is if we give them EVERYTHING they want:
1.Half the Aegean as EEZ
2.The entire EEZ south of Kastellorizo
3.Their Turkish-Libyan agreement EEZ
4.Remove all garissons from the islands
5.Stop modernizing our Army.

Basically this is what they nag about every day.

The other way Erdogan and Akar can stop their aggressive rhetoric is if they get a very big slap from bigger countries,which will destroy their economy or impose a heavy embargo on them.

Unfortunately,that's how it is.


Not an island nation. A nation with islands that have economic life he means.

So u accept equidistant method in aegeann and Mediterranean that Turkey used in black sea?? Lolz
Economic life is a vague term, its most obvious meaning should be an island nation, where the whole nation economy depends on the EEZ, unlike a country with hindreds of Islands.

 

[MMM-E]

Keep dreaming with trash Seville Map which has no any value


Nobody can enter Turkish EZZ for drilling
Greeks can only cry to their Masters USA-France ... nothing else

in Libya

Turkiye saved The UN recognized Libyan government in Tripoli from France,Egypt,The UAE and WAGNER backed bandit HAFTAR

France,Egypt,The UAE ,WAGNER ,HAFTAR failed to take Tripoli and to destroy GNA

Also Turkiye signed a maritime deal with Libya to block bandit France-Greece in the Eastern Mediterranean

and 2 days ago Libya and Turkiye signed an agreement on exploration for hydrocarbons ( oil-gas ) in Libya's territorial waters and on Libyan soil

 

[Akritas]

An Island with economic life would mean an Island nation. So its the mid line between Greece and Turkey, why u guys dont accept that?

No, this is not what UNLCOS says, it is very clear, re-read the relevant article.

 

[Foinikas]

No, this is not what UNLCOS says, it is very clear, re-read the relevant article.

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They don't read what we show them. I had to show him the same text 3 times and he didn't even understand the point.

 

[MMM-E]

No, this is not what UNLCOS says, it is very clear, re-read the relevant article.

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They don't read what we show them. I had to show him the same text 3 times and he didn't even understand the point.

Stop dreaming with your trash claim which has no any similar example in the world

Greece is not archipelagic state like Indonesia , New Zelland , Philippines

therefore Greek EEZ should start from Greek mainland , but not from every tiny Island

10 km2 tiny Island which is 580km away from Greek mainland and just 2km away Turkish mainland , can not generate EEZ of 200 nm

10 km tiny Island can not block 780.000 km Turkish mainland which has the longest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean


I had to show you the same rule dozens times and you didn't even understand the point.
have you no brain to understand it ?

 

[Foinikas]

Stop dreaming with your trash claim which has no any similar example in the world

Greece is not archipelagic state like Indonesia , New Zelland , Philippines

therefore Greek EEZ should start from Greek mainland , but not from every tiny Island

10 km2 tiny Island which is 580km away from Greek mainland and just 2km away Turkish mainland , can not generate EEZ of 200 nm

10 km tiny Island can not block 780.000 km Turkish mainland which has the longest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean

have you no brain to understand it ?

Have you no brain to endlessly repeat the same things without even reading what Akritas is showing you from UNCLOS?

It doesn't matter if it's archipelagic or not. Islands CAN have EEZ and there are special provisions.

Your problem is that your government's stuck with a two-faced approach on the matter. It's that simple. And instead of actually cooperating with us or going to the International Court,you threaten with war.

 

[MMM-E]

Have you no brain to endlessly repeat the same things without even reading what Akritas is showing you from UNCLOS?

Stupid idiots read the UNCLOS Article 2

"" The sovereignty of a coastal State extends, beyond its land territory and internal waters and, in the case of an archipelagic State, its archipelagic waters, to an adjacent belt of sea, described as the territorial sea ""

Greece is not archipelagic state like Indonesia , New Zelland , Philippines

therefore Greek EEZ should start from Greek mainland , but not from every tiny Island

what a stupid claim
10 km tiny Island can not generate EEZ , 580km away from Greek mainland and just 2km from Turkish mainland

10 km tiny Island can not block 780.000 km Turkish mainland which has the longest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean ... idiots


This attitude of Greece contradicts the two fundamental principles of law, namely "equity and non-abuse of the right"

what a stupid trash claim which has no any similar example in the world

 

[Foinikas]

Stupid idiots read the UNCLOS Article 2

"" The sovereignty of a coastal State extends, beyond its land territory and internal waters and, in the case of an archipelagic State, its archipelagic waters, to an adjacent belt of sea, described as the territorial sea ""

Greece is not archipelagic state like Indonesia , New Zelland , Philippines

therefore Greek EEZ should start from Greek mainland , but not from every tiny Island

what a stupid claim
10 km tiny Island can not generate EEZ , 580km away from Greek mainland and just 2km from Turkish mainland

10 km tiny Island can not block 780.000 km Turkish mainland which has the longest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean ... idiots


what a stupid trash claim which has no any similar example in the world

Akritas explained to you very well,but you choose to ignore it.

Now go cry. Kastellorizo ruins your plans for Buyuk Turkiye.

 

[MMM-E]

Akritas explained to you very well,but you choose to ignore it.

Now go cry. Kastellorizo ruins your plans for Buyuk Turkiye.

Greek trash claim which has no any similar example in the world

I explained to you very well but you are wrong by international law , therefore bandit USA-France use military power and arms embargo card

but Turkiye is not Syria or İraq or Libya or Mali


And Turkiye doesnt care about tiny Kastellorizo and crying Greece

go and cry to your Masters USA - France which can not enter Turkish EEZ for drilling and which can not stop deal between Turkiye and Libya

Buyuk Turkiye is already everywhere from Libya to Karabakh , from Syria to Somali , from İraq to Qatar from Balkans to Turkish Republic of Northen Cyprus in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[Foinikas]

nd who cares about tiny Kastellorizo and crying Greece ? Nobody

Your government seems to be obsessed with Greece and especially Kastellorizo.