US: If China goes to war we will make it go back 100 years

[Chinese-Dragon]

Please, do youself a favor, stop calling yourself a Hong Konger, you are making a bad name for the people from Hong Kong.

Exactly right.

He is NOT a Xiang gang ren.

He is an American. He was born in America, he is loyal to America.

He only came to HK for a few years to go to secondary school. That does not make him a Hong Konger.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes...Because neither rail nor computer technology originate from China. Credit is due to improvements to the base technology, but not for the technology itself, especially when they are in the public domain.

The technology did not originate in China, but that doesn't mean China copies it.

Same as the rocket was not invented by Americans, but no one claimed that America have copied Nazi Germany, right?

 

[Brotherhood]

Exactly right.

He is NOT a Xiang gang ren.

He is an American. He was born in America, he is loyal to America.

He only came to HK for a few years to go to secondary school. That does not make him a Hong Konger.

Exactly, my post might be ...., but only a local Hongkonger understood like CD

The technology did not originate in China, but that doesn't mean China copies it.

Same as the rocket was not invented by Americans, but no one claimed that America have copied Nazi Germany, right?

And according to our viet-commie's logic, what about "gun powder" can we claim anythings thats related to that=copying?

 

[gambit]

The technology did not originate in China, but that doesn't mean China copies it.

Same as the rocket was not invented by Americans, but no one claimed that America have copied Nazi Germany, right?

It is always hilarious to see you boys stretch the definitions of 'reverse engineering' to give China exaggerated credit when it comes to technology. Now it is no different about this. Ideas and technologies migrate, or is introduced, or adopted, or purchased, whatever the method, as long as it has an external origin, it is essentially a copy of the original. There is nothing wrong with that. The US did not invent rocketry, but the US does have our own innovators who learned from foreign sources. There is nothing wrong with this as well. Since the Industrial Revolution, incidences of parallel inventions and development decreased dramatically because of increasing rapid transmission of ideas and the technologies from those ideas. So like it or not, China copied a lot from Western sources.

 

[gambit]

And according to our viet-commie's logic, what about "gun powder" can we claim anythings thats related to that=copying?

No...You cannot. The firearm is not a direct descendant of gunpowder. If gunpowder knowledge was transmitted to a new region where it was unknown before, then its manufacture in the new region is a copy.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It is always hilarious to see you boys stretch the definitions of 'reverse engineering' to give China exaggerated credit when it comes to technology. Now it is no different about this. Ideas and technologies migrate, or is introduced, or adopted, or purchased, whatever the method, as long as it has an external origin, it is essentially a copy of the original. There is nothing wrong with that. The US did not invent rocketry, but the US does have our own innovators who learned from foreign sources. There is nothing wrong with this as well. Since the Industrial Revolution, incidences of parallel inventions and development decreased dramatically because of increasing rapid transmission of ideas and the technologies from those ideas. So like it or not, China copied a lot from Western sources.

You know that China is making the 500kph train in service, no other country did that except in the experimental trial.

This is not copying anymore.

China in the past has invented the paper that has benefited the mankind for over thousand years, yet we did not charge any copyright from any country.

 

[gambit]

You know that China is making the 500kph train in service, no other country did that except in the experimental trial.

This is not copying anymore.

Yes...China made an improvement in rail travel, that does not mean other countries are incapable of the same. Bottom line here is that unless China can come up with a new mode of transportation, like anti-gravity and sorry Photochop does not count, then this high speed rail is just that -- an improvement.

China in the past has invented the paper that has benefited the mankind for over thousand years, yet we did not charge any copyright from any country.

Copyright is a legal issue. If a country does not exist at the time of the invention and if there were no laws governing intellectual properties and rights at the time of the invention, this argument is pointless. Comically pointless.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Yes...China made an improvement in rail travel, that does not mean other countries are incapable of the same. Bottom line here is that unless China can come up with a new mode of transportation, like anti-gravity and sorry Photochop does not count, then this high speed rail is just that -- an improvement.


Copyright is a legal issue. If a country does not exist at the time of the invention and if there were no laws governing intellectual properties and rights at the time of the invention, this argument is pointless. Comically pointless.

Even a thousand kilometers per hour run is not innovation? This is not the past, many of the invention is not so easy, in my opinion, as long as a substantial improvement, helpful for human life, that is innovation.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Even a thousand kilometers per hour run is not innovation? This is not the past, many of the invention is not so easy, in my opinion, as long as a substantial improvement, helpful for human life, that is innovation.

According to someone's logic, even a car running at 1000kph is not innovation, because you still uses four tires.

Yes, in the past, you have more room for innovation as human technology was so primitive at that time, but today everything is different.

 

[gambit]

Even a thousand kilometers per hour run is not innovation? This is not the past, many of the invention is not so easy, in my opinion, as long as a substantial improvement, helpful for human life, that is innovation.

Did I say it was not?

Say that the current ball bearing technology limits rail speed to 100km/h. Then China came along and develop a new alloy which produces bearings that allow rail speed to 200km/h. Did China deviate from the base rail technology in anyway? No. But China does deserve credit for inventing a new alloy. It just so happened that the government decided to use rail transport to show off the new alloy. I know you boys like to blur the lines between improvements and inventions for China but you are trespassing into the ridiculous.

 

[gambit]

According to someone's logic, even a car running at 1000kph is not innovation, because you still uses four tires.

Yes, in the past, you have more room for innovation as human technology was so primitive at that time, but today everything is different.

Even Ferrari does not claim to 'invent' the automobile and we all know how different a Ferrari version of the automobile is from a Trabant. So yes...You might want to reexamine your 'logic' about this.

 

[below_freezing]

Yeah, the list you put out is maybe for people from mainland china but my family was living in HK and held BNO's, so it was a lot easier for them to immigrate then you guys. We in HK don't exactly have the same reputation as mainlanders, trying to smuggle into country's. ie Japan, Australia, US etc. do we? So its a lot easier for us to immigrate. Just ask the many Hk'ers that immigrated to the US and Canada, especially before the 1997 handover because of doubt about China taking over. The bit about me lying about people starving and losing my aunt's and uncles through it, show's how much class you have. Why would my grandma lie about such things. So you telling me nobody starved to death or died under Mao's policies? Those points you laid out should be directed towards your friend from Michigan. Its common knowledge over here that the only way students from China can come to study is because of the 3 points you laid said! And for the guy that said he's studying in Michigan to bring tech back to China... lol. You mean tech like this?
中國：模仿也是一種創新
編譯盧永山／特稿

去年七月中旬，蘋果代工廠商富士康深圳觀瀾廠的員工孫丹勇，疑似因搞丟一台iPhone 4原型機，蘋果質疑富士康洩密，富士康對遺失事件展開調查，孫丹勇疑在不堪壓力下跳樓自殺，此事引起軒然大波，也凸顯世界品牌大廠擔心中國企業竊取產品機密，發展成山寨產品，進而侵蝕其利基的問題。

品牌大廠 擔心機密被竊

由於中國已是全球生產基地，很多世界品牌大廠都委託位於中國的代工廠商代為生產，產品機密遭竊取、模仿的情況時有所聞；台灣很多企業都為世界品牌大廠代工，聯發科更是中國山寨手機的重要推手，引發美、日等國正牌業者不滿。

以iPhone和iPad為例，這兩款蘋果最新產品尚未在中國正式上架前，中國市面上就出現價格更便宜的山寨機。根據統計，去年中國銷售的手機中，三十八％為山寨機，某些山寨機的性能甚至比正牌機更優。

中國山寨文化橫行，現在更有能力進軍新興市場，對正牌廠商造成極大衝擊。市場研究公司Gartner十一月發布報告指出，中國山寨機大舉進入新興市場，導致諾基亞等大廠的全球市佔率大幅下滑。例如，今年第三季諾基亞的全球市佔率降至二十八．二％，較去年同期少了八．五個百分點。

中國政府最近對這股山寨文化定調。中國工信部副部長楊學山指出，模仿也是一種創新，也是一種發展，不能直接對山寨產品說Yes或No，如果模仿沒有侵犯專利權，將支持這樣的生產。

中國政府說得一派輕鬆，侵犯了智財權就該付費，但過去中國對打擊盜版、仿冒等侵權行為的執法不力，很多中國地方官員經常收受業者賄賂，對盜版和仿冒行為睜一隻眼閉一隻眼，使得這類侵權行為難以根絕。

盜版產業 養活數百萬人

分析師也指出，中國的盜版和仿冒產業龐大，且雇用了數百萬工廠工人、旗下的經銷商和商店店員，中國政府的打擊行動若是搞真的，可能導致數百萬人失業。

This is from a HK forum and here are just a few of the responses from HK people. Not just me thinking its embarrassing.

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嘴裡罵著 死大陸 ,山寨
人... 真的是種奇妙的生物

中國：模仿也是一種創新
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那中國何必有專利權呢？

抵死,鬼叫你地要搬去大陸做,抵Q死.

當大家都搞模仿 而沒有創新的時候 就真的很糟糕了
醫學上 也搞模仿 科技也搞模仿 那人類還有進化的水準嗎

最可悲的不是那些害人黑心商品，也不是無恥的商人，
最可悲的是該國人民對抄襲行為的認同，鼓勵，找藉口
在以上留言中可見一斑, 真可怕

Hopefully you learn more in your school in Michigan than to copy others lol. For the people who don't read chinese, its an article posted on HK forums that say's China is condoning the copying of technology and products because it's also an innovation and it was ridiculed and shot down by HK posters.

也就你这逼样还配对我们说三道四？好像香港没有模仿技术？好像香港是靠高科技发展起来的？不就是玩房地产，炒炒股发展起来的？香港有什么高科技，我问你，香港有一家高科技企业吗？丢人不？呵呵，要是没有怎么不仿制呢？别说什么狗屁“我们有法律观“，香港人现在有法律关没错，处于发展的时候呢？连仿制的能力都没有还在这里叫个屁啊，以前香港的企业使用的一切工业设备都是从国外进口的，有什么创新？哦对，香港有创新，都是他妈的不同的金融工具，跟弄垮米国金融体系的垃圾一样，哈哈，骄傲了把，那可是香港原创呢。要不是你们一直吸大陆的血香港能有今天吗？不说别的，我们在经济最困难的时候以低于市场价出售淡水给香港，我们说涨价你敢不交钱吗，看你没水能活几天？那还是30年前呢，现在不仅是水，你们没得大陆能搞个屁，香港生产什么？香港有什么技术？香港人谈技术，笑死我了，真他妈的笑死我了。

as for immigration, any PhD student from china can come to US by taking GRE, and sorry, you can look anywhere in L.A. like Rowland Heights or Montery Park, are there any simplified? no, because almost immigrants that speak mandarin are from taiwan, where's the smuggling? BNO is mostly for those with connections from hong kong, where do the real people frm hong kong get 1?

 

[Brotherhood]

Even Ferrari does not claim to 'invent' the automobile and we all know how different a Ferrari version of the automobile is from a Trabant. So yes...You might want to reexamine your 'logic' about this.

Is this a vietnamese "innovation"?

 

[Brotherhood]

也就你这逼样还配对我们说三道四？好像香港没有模仿技术？好像香港是靠高科技发展起来的？不就是玩房地产，炒炒股发展起来的？香港有什么高科技，我问你，香港有一家高科技企业吗？丢人不？呵呵，要是没有怎么不仿制呢？别说什么狗屁“我们有法律观“，香港人现在有法律关没错，处于发展的时候呢？连仿制的能力都没有还在这里叫个屁啊，以前香港的企业使用的一切工业设备都是从国外进口的，有什么创新？哦对，香港有创新，都是他妈的不同的金融工具，跟弄垮米国金融体系一样的垃圾，哈哈，骄傲了把，那可是香港原创呢。要不是你们一直吸大陆的血香港能有今天吗？不说别的，我们在经济最困难的时候以低于市场价出售淡水给香港，我们说涨价你敢不交钱吗，看你没水能活几天？那还是30年前呢，现在不仅是水，你们没得大陆能搞个屁，香港生产什么？香港有什么技术？香港人谈技术，笑死我了，真他妈的笑死我了。

No need to get provoked by a shameless "faker", HK is part of China and we are all proud Chinese period.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

也就你这逼样还配对我们说三道四？好像香港没有模仿技术？好像香港是靠高科技发展起来的？不就是玩房地产，炒炒股发展起来的？香港有什么高科技，我问你，香港有一家高科技企业吗？丢人不？呵呵，要是没有怎么不仿制呢？别说什么狗屁“我们有法律观“，香港人现在有法律关没错，处于发展的时候呢？连仿制的能力都没有还在这里叫个屁啊，以前香港的企业使用的一切工业设备都是从国外进口的，有什么创新？哦对，香港有创新，都是他妈的不同的金融工具，跟弄垮米国金融体系一样的垃圾，哈哈，骄傲了把，那可是香港原创呢。要不是你们一直吸大陆的血香港能有今天吗？不说别的，我们在经济最困难的时候以低于市场价出售淡水给香港，我们说涨价你敢不交钱吗，看你没水能活几天？那还是30年前呢，现在不仅是水，你们没得大陆能搞个屁，香港生产什么？香港有什么技术？香港人谈技术，笑死我了，真他妈的笑死我了。

那厮不是香港人，是一条美狗！！！

很多香港人还是有自知之明的，而且随着祖国的崛起，认同大陆的港人也越来越多了。 别为了那种货色和这里的香港同胞兄弟伤了感情。