DCS: JF17/PL15 versus rafale/meteor slug fest

[GumNaam]

Enjoy...

ok in this fight ^^^, the first rafale didn't stand a chance in hell, he didn't even know hit him as the PL15 got to him even before he could track the Thunder. But the second fight turned out to be a total slug fest where the rafale was able to track the Thunder & fire off meteors and the Thunder was able to track the rafale & fire of the second PL15 plus SD10s but both aircrafts seemed to be shooting and running for their lives while their respective missiles kept loosing kinetic energy and getting misguided by the self protection sensors on both aircrafts, got to the point where birth ran outta missiles and couldn't kill the other...what a fight!

 

[khanasifm]

pl-15 and sd 10 size And weight difference is far less than what being depicted in dcs

7.8 inches longer than sd10 and 200 mm width /circumferences vs sd10 203 mm, weight wise not sure

 

[khanasifm]

Comparison sd10 vs pl-15 on j-10 and j16

Chinese Air-To-Air Missile Hits Targets, Spooks USAF General

China test fires a new long range air to air missiles, the PL-15, putting the US Air Force on notice.

www.popsci.com

PL-15 Different Angles
These set of photos from 2013 show the PL-15 during captive flight testing (carried by fighters like this J-11B). The PL-15 is shown to be about four meters long and 200mm in diameter, about the same size as the older PL-12 BVRAAM. The PL-15 uses improved propulsion, such as advanced rocket motors and possibly ramjet engines, to achieve a greater range.club.mil.news.sina.com.cn

 

[GumNaam]

Comparison sd10 vs pl-15 on j-10 and j16 View attachment 721119View attachment 721120View attachment 721121

Chinese Air-To-Air Missile Hits Targets, Spooks USAF General

China test fires a new long range air to air missiles, the PL-15, putting the US Air Force on notice.

www.popsci.com

PL-15 Different Angles
These set of photos from 2013 show the PL-15 during captive flight testing (carried by fighters like this J-11B). The PL-15 is shown to be about four meters long and 200mm in diameter, about the same size as the older PL-12 BVRAAM. The PL-15 uses improved propulsion, such as advanced rocket motors and possibly ramjet engines, to achieve a greater range.club.mil.news.sina.com.cn

the first two pics are PL15s and PL10s, not SD10s. secondly, the PL15 has TWO rocket motors which will make it heavier but not as heavy as a full fuel tank to I'm sure that JF17s can easily carry them on the inner most pylons with no problems. The dual rocket motors is what gives this missile an insane range of nearly 300KM.

By the way, this video is a great for DCS buffs & Jeff fan boys.

 

[khanasifm]

the first two pics are PL15s and PL10s, not SD10s. secondly, the PL15 has TWO rocket motors which will make it heavier but not as heavy as a full fuel tank to I'm sure that JF17s can easily carry them on the inner most pylons with no problems. The dual rocket motors is what gives this missile an insane range of nearly 300KM.

By the way, this video is a great for DCS buffs & Jeff fan boys.

I posted the pic and i know what I posted for comparison

the point was dcs has shown a huge missile for pl-15 while in reality its dimension are almost same as sd10

lastly max ranges for fighters vs large targets such as bombers are two different things

Even r-77 claimed 110 km range but in reality vs fighter it’s far less , less than amraam which Russians are trying to address with r77m vAriant anyway iaf has now accepted their might su is no challenge f-16 with Amraams on 27th
chao

 

[GumNaam]

I posted the pic and i know what I posted for comparison

the point was dcs has shown a huge missile for pl-15 while in reality its dimension are almost same as sd10

lastly max ranges for fighters vs large targets such as bombers are two different things

Even r-77 claimed 110 km range but in reality vs fighter it’s far less , less than amraam which Russians are trying to address with r77m vAriant anyway iaf has now accepted there might su is no challenge f-16 with Amraams on 27th
chao

the dual motor makes all the difference in extending the range. the rest depends on how well the aircraft radar is able to detect fighters & be resistant to jamming. but yeah, point taken, the PL15 in DCS is considerably bigger than the SD10 which is not the case.

 

[khanasifm]

the dual motor makes all the difference in extending the range. the rest depends on how well the aircraft radar is able to detect fighters & be resistant to jamming. but yeah, point taken, the PL15 in DCS is considerably bigger than the SD10 which is not the case.

Concept of coasting where missile
Gain height against target and then come down on target using gravity to keep kinetic energy at last leg is also utilized to extend the range , was used on aim120 extended on c or D model as well beside dual motor

lastly bidirectional data link also enhances the tagectry and target data update coming both ways to enhance short/optimal path to target

 

[GumNaam]

Concept of coasting where missile
Gain height against target and then come down on target using gravity to keep kinetic energy at last leg is also utilized to extend the range , was used on aim120 extended on c or D model as well beside dual motor

lastly bidirectional data link also enhances the tagectry and target data update coming both ways to enhance short/optimal path to target

I just added another video to the opening post, have a look see...

 

[Ali_Baba]

Enjoy...

ok in this fight ^^^, the first rafale didn't stand a chance in hell, he didn't even know hit him as the PL15 got to him even before he could track the Thunder. But the second fight turned out to be a total slug fest where the rafale was able to track the Thunder & fire off meteors and the Thunder was able to track the rafale & fire of the second PL15 plus SD10s but both aircrafts seemed to be shooting and running for their lives while their respective missiles kept loosing kinetic energy and getting misguided by the self protection sensors on both aircrafts, got to the point where birth ran outta missiles and couldn't kill the other...what a fight!

The JEFF cannot carry and deploy 6 BVR missiles !!! I think Block III will probably max out at 2 aswell... if you are lucky, then maybe 4 .. but PAF at times makes silly decisions, so dont be suprised if it ends up being just 2 for Block III aswell...

So, in that type of fight scenario... JEFF cannot "slug" it out with a Rafale toe for tow, it has to hope it's first shot salvo hits the mark, or it will have to bug out of the fight with no missiles left very early on...

The Rafale has the ability to "persist" in a given area of its choice due to its ability to have multiple BVRs on it which the JEFF does not.... A Rafale pilot can slug 2 at a Jeff to drawn down its inventory and then go in for the kill with the next 2 it is carry, etc..

So the video paints a distorted picture ...

 

[GumNaam]

The JEFF cannot carry and deploy 6 BVR missiles !!! I think Block III will probably max out at 2 aswell... if you are lucky, then maybe 4 .. but PAF at times makes silly decisions, so dont be suprised if it ends up being just 2 for Block III aswell...

So, in that type of fight scenario... JEFF cannot "slug" it out with a Rafale toe for tow, it has to hope it's first shot salvo hits the mark, or it will have to bug out of the fight with no missiles left very early on...

The Rafale has the ability to "persist" in a given area of its choice due to its ability to have multiple BVRs on it which the JEFF does not.... A Rafale pilot can slug 2 at a Jeff to drawn down its inventory and then go in for the kill with the next 2 it is carry, etc..

So the video paints a distorted picture ...

disagree. yes it can't carry 6 BVR missiles, but it can carry 4 including 2 PL15s. but it'll have to give up carrying drop tanks on the wings which will give it short legs as we can see in the simulation. But with air refueling & data link with awacs, knocking out rafales will be easy provided your able to send up 2 Thunders per rafale so that each rafale is faced with potentially 4 PL15s hunting it down. quantity has a quality of its own.

 

[GumNaam]

The Grim Reapers bury the meteor superiority myth for ever (at least as far as DCS is concerned).

meteor hits the airbus at 120+kms

PL15 hits the airbus at a whopping 160+kms

indians should get ready to buy the tie fighters from Darth Vader!

 

[Akatosh]

The Grim Reapers bury the meteor superiority myth for ever (at least as far as DCS is concerned).

meteor hits the airbus at 120+kms

PL15 hits the airbus at a whopping 160+kms

indians should get ready to buy the tie fighters from Darth Vader!

Lol
DCS World moderator admitted that Meteors performance in DCS is based on guesstimates as MBDA will not share any classified data.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1263782002433626112

Same for PL-15 too.

Infact they could not even get PL-15s size right (shows how reliable their guesstimates are).

 

[khanasifm]

The Grim Reapers bury the meteor superiority myth for ever (at least as far as DCS is concerned).

meteor hits the airbus at 120+kms

PL15 hits the airbus at a whopping 160+kms

indians should get ready to buy the tie fighters from Darth Vader!

Nm not km

So 222 km vs 296 km for pl -15 but launch platform speed also different 1.8 Mach jas39 vs 2 plus j15 anyway big difference 80 plus km but speed clocked by metore of 5000 nm is way more than what mbda Mach 4 advertised so not sure

Pl-15 is also Mach 4 speed advertised

 

[khanasifm]

Chinese Missiles Are Transforming Balance of Power in the Skies

For a quarter century, the U.S. and its allies owned the skies, fighting wars secure in the knowledge that no opponent could compete in the air. As tensions with Russia and China surge, that’s no longer the case.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[GumNaam]

Nm not km

So 222 km vs 296 km for pl -15 but launch platform speed also different 1.8 Mach jas39 vs 2 plus j15 anyway big difference 80 plus km but speed clocked by metore of 5000 nm is way more than what mbda Mach 4 advertised so not sure

Pl-15 is also Mach 4 speed advertised

he says in the video that the speed clocked for meteor was a bug in the code.