Chinese Vaccine: Does It Benefit Indonesia?

[petrichorgrass]

We know it is a Khmer Krom inner nature to tells lies but at least do it convincingly.


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/10/pfizer-and-biontech-could-make-13bn-from-coronavirus-vaccine

How can these companies compete with Chinese Biotech Companies in prices?

Brazilian cited Sinovac Vaccines at USD1.33 per dose exclusive of shipping.

Pfizer is quoting USD19.50 per dose exclusive of shipping.
Pfizer vaccines will cost more as they have to be stored at -40 degree C.

What? Only $1.33 per dose for Sinovac? China definitely should charge more. $10 per dose perhaps?

 

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there is suppose to be a factory in Indonesia that make them

 

[dbc]

Ask butantan. Don't ask me. I am not the one claim Sinovac is the best.

Oh well, the Lancet study shows the Chinese Sinovac vaccine produces the lowest number of antibodies - RIP to your Sinovac vaccine is the best theory.
Also super advanced Chinese use a highly automated bioreactor from GE to produce its inactivated vaccine - RIP to China super independent don't need anyone theory.
Lets hope Trump doesn't ban bioreactor exports in the dying days of his presidency.

Sinovac Biotech Ltd.’s CoronaVac vaccine was shown to induce antibodies in the human body within 28 days of the first immunization, according to results published in the Lancet medical journal this week. The level of antibodies, however, were lower than that seen in people who were previously infected with Covid-19.

By contrast, the levels of antibodies in results from vaccine trials by Pfizer Inc. PFE 1.30% and Moderna Inc. MRNA -4.25% were roughly on par with those in people who previously contracted the virus. This week, Pfizer said its experimental vaccine was 95% effective at protecting people from Covid-19, while Moderna said its vaccine was 94.5% effective based on an early look at late-stage results.

Chinese Covid Vaccine Gives Scientists Pause Over Antibody Levels in Early Trials

A Covid-19 vaccine being developed by Sinovac showed inconclusive early-stage results about its level of protection, although scientists remain optimistic it can yet prove to be effective against the coronavirus.

www.wsj.com

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

What? Only $1.33 per dose for Sinovac? China definitely should charge more. $10 per dose perhaps?

Yes. This is the price for only friendly nation esp. those less developed nation exclusive of shipping which may contibuted to another 50% increase in cost.
I did not read of any update yet so far.

 

[Kai Liu]

Dont u feel boring when only read good news abt CN ?? I bet u do. Thats why u chose to join PDF.

otherwise, u will keep sticking in CN owned forum wt only good news abt CN there

Sometimes I do appreciate those guys to bring fun to this forum...though...

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Dont u feel boring when only read good news abt CN ?? I bet u do. Thats why u chose to join PDF.

otherwise, u will keep sticking in CN owned forum wt only good news abt CN there

You can always read negative news and developed cancer if you wish to.
It is a free world.
We just enjoy reading positive news.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Sometimes I do appreciate those guys to bring fun to this forum...though...

There r many bad news to CN recently, such as CN is suffering harder ban from EU-US. CN already lost EU-US Markets for selling AI devices and they buy from VN instead.

CN cant sell AI devices, CN cant sell 5G to EU-US-Aussie-JP-Brazil etc. Evergrande is in big debt, CN coal, aluminum companies just wetn bankrupt due to high labor cost and poor management. Shoes, airpods assembly factories are leaving CN due to can not compete wt same products from factories in VN ec....many bad news r coming to CN.

For vaccine, I just dont know why ID need CN vaccine when all they need to do is just doing social distancing for 25 days.

 

[Kai Liu]

There r many bad news to CN recently, such as CN is suffering harder ban from EU-US. CN already lost EU-Markets for selling AI devices and they buy from VN instead.

CN cant sell AI devices, CN cant sell 5G to EU-US-Aussie-JP-Brazil etc. Evergrande is in big debt, CN coal, aluminum companies just wetn bankrupt due to high labor cost and poor management. Shoes, airpods assembly factories are leaving CN due to can not compete wt same products from factories in VN ec....many bad news r coming to CN.

For vaccine, I just dont know why ID need CN vaccine when all they need to do is just doing social distancing for 25 days.

And this kind of news is all over there for the past decades if you want to read, and the result is we have the biggest number of fortune 500 companies now...
Must be against the wish of and be very disappointing for those who 'make' that kind of 'news'...

Fortune Global 500 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BTW, what kind of 'AI device' EU buy from vn I am interested?

 

[Viva_Viet]

And this kind of news is all over there for the past decades if you want to read, and the result is we have the biggest number of fortune to 500 companies now...
Must be against the wish of and be very disappointing for those who 'make' that kind of 'news'...
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Fortune Global 500 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, that is some good news, but bad news still remain.

Btw, top CN companies cant make better shoes, cant assembly cheaper airpods than factories in VN. CN coal- aluminum companies already bankrupted, those poor workers already lost jobs and CN top companies cant offer new jobs for them.

 

[Kai Liu]

Yeah, that is some good news, but bad news still remain.

Btw, top CN companies cant make better shoes, cant assembly cheaper airpods than factories in VN. CN coal- aluminum companies already bankrupted, those poor workers already lost jobs and CN top companies cant offer new jobs for them.

Those coal-aluminium companies have been reported for going bankrupt/heavy losses for decades, and here is an article from 2012:

中国铝业2012年亏损达82.34亿元

公司2012年亏损达82.34亿元，上年同期的净盈利2.38亿元。基本每股亏损0.61元。

www.yicai.com

You should know how China's economy works. Losses of some individual companies are nothing in the overall picture of the national economy.
For better shoes, etc., well, not a problem, our companies will or may have already explore cheap labor in vn and gain the major profit, such as:

Our demestic shoe companies make tons of money now...

 

[Viva_Viet]

Those coal-aluminium companies have been reported for going bankrupt/heavy losses for decades, and here is an article from 2012:

中国铝业2012年亏损达82.34亿元

公司2012年亏损达82.34亿元，上年同期的净盈利2.38亿元。基本每股亏损0.61元。

www.yicai.com

You should know how China's economy works. Losses of some individual companies are nothing in the overall picture of the national economy.
For better shoes, etc., well, not a problem, our companies will or may have already explore cheap labor in vn and gain the major profit, such as:

Our demestic shoe companies make tons of money now...

Most of the rich, including rich Cnese, r still having luxury life, Nothing change in their lives, while more bankrupted CN companies plus shoes, airpods assembly factories r leaving will make the poor become poorer.

Lybia leader Gaddafi and his family his relatives, his close friends/staff were very rich, the workers working in oil industry r highly paid.Their GDP per capita was also 10,000 usd per month like CN. But there were still too many jobless ppl and they cant afford to pay for living cost.

Thats why revolution happened.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

What? Only $1.33 per dose for Sinovac? China definitely should charge more. $10 per dose perhaps?

Just saw this.

 

[Kai Liu]

Most of the rich, including rich Cnese, r still having luxury life, Nothing change in their lives, while more bankrupted CN companies plus shoes, airpods assembly factories r leaving will make the poor become poorer.

Lybia leader Gaddafi and his family his relatives, his close friends/staff were very rich, the workers working in oil industry r highly paid.Their GDP per capita was also 10,000 usd per month like CN. But there were still too many jobless ppl and they cant afford to pay for living cost.

Thats why revolution happened.

Well, that theory, i.e. the middle-income trap can only apply to those countries without technology...
But for a country which has hundreds of world-class high ranking universities and research institutes, etc., GDP per capita of 10,000 is nothing, we are heading toward $20,000 in this decade and everyone will see it very soon in the coming years.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Well, that theory, i.e. the middle-income trap can only apply to those countries without technology...
But for a country which has hundreds of world-class high ranking universities and research institutes, etc., GDP per capita of 10,000 is nothing, we are heading toward $20,000 in this decade and everyone will see it very soon in the coming years.
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Soviet would also become developed nations if US didn't slap very hard sanction plus cold war, plus losing faith in communist system .

US-EU already blocked Huawei 5G, AI camera, more hostile attitude toward CN etc, so I thinks u guys should prepare for more bad news.

No use to feel angry when seeing bad news abt CN, u'd better get used to wt it. CN bad news is just a part of trade war /cold war and also a part of CN economic problems due to high labor cost and poor management in CN companies.

 

[Kai Liu]

Soviet would also become developed nations if US didn't slap very hard sanction plus cold war, plus losing faith in communist system .

US-EU already blocked Huawei 5G, AI camera, more hostile attitude toward CN etc, so I thinks u guys should prepare for more bad news.

No use to feel angry when seeing bad news abt CN, u'd better get used to wt it. CN bad news is just a part of trade war /cold war and also a part of CN economic problems due to high labor cost and poor management in CN companies.

Soviet Union only has less than 200 million people, while China has a well-educated population of 1.5 billion. We can expecting countries in the whole world to beg access to the world's largest market here in the near future like those luxury car companies are doing right now. Labor worth nothing in the future society. One robot can do the job of 1,000 people, and generate the value which can feed thousands of people too.
Good news or bad news, doesn't matter at all, but the fact is there is literally 100% bad news from those joke media, we do not care, because you know what? If your enemy/rival tells you what is wrong, it means you are doing the right thing.