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Hi,

People---I almost forgot about it---but how could I---.

Paf shoots down it first two modern enemy aircraft with BVR missiles---.

Remember when 10 + years ago when I started talking about the lethality of modern BVR missiles---as to how deadly they are and how deadly they are going to be---and possibly most of the combat is going to be BVR and BVR only---and merges would be a thing of the past-.

And on top of that I mentioned---there would be no room for a machine gun or a canon on a modern aircraft---.

I am pretty sure that most of you---who poked fun at me are eating crow---.

The very first air to air battle of the modern and capable fighter aircraft of similar capability resulted in a BVR missile fight---resulted in enemy's aircraft casualty and supposedly had a very high kill ratio---.

Do you people remember those fools on high position on this forum who would jump back to the vietnam war era air to air combat and the failure of the air to air missiles---these morons and goofballs were think tank members and think tank chairperson---and they were full of sarcasm and insults---hey you---look who is the fool now---.

You fools---I told you then---the technology has expanded over a million times from the vietnam era---the old computer that would fill a house is being captured in the palm of the hand today and has a million times more processing power---and yet you guys kept on harping your intellect out of sheer stupidity---.

It amazed and surprised me when I tried to explain---look guys---nations are fielding these million dollar + bvr missiles---they have so much investment behind these missiles---it is technically not possible for these missiles to fail---but the error was on my part that I was trying to teach water buffaloes and bulls the intricacies and fine points of classical music---.

I then stated something else as well---the machine gun would be an obsolete item for a modern fighter aircraft---and the same group of people talked about the same vietnam era bullsh-it---the Phantom episode---.

Today I shut them off as well---.

Today's modern warfare between similar modern aircraft would not leave time for the fighter pilot to look for where his guns are pointed at---neither would he have the time to get closer and lock the target to the gun sight and let go of a burst---.

So---in this very first air to air combat---you people will acknowledge the ferocity of the BVR combat---you people will acknowledge the lethality of the BVR combat---and once you acknowledge the gains due to BVR combat---you will do your very best to stay out of any other combat that would get you in any closer position to the enemy---.

The machine gun / canon can be replaced with an extra modular fuel tank---or any other EW device helpfull to the aircraft etc etc etc---.
 
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Downing of that other jet which crashed in IOK ..... yes may be. And I think this BVR theory is apparently based on the metal chuck shown in indian media. Which still is being denied and leads to confusion because Pakistan hasn't accepted F-16s role in this short limited conflict. Did SA help arm thunders with BVR capability?

Mig downed in Pakistani held Kashmir is confirm and accepted by all ....... which also leads to confirm that Mig (which apparently was flown by Abhi) did cross the border and came well within visual range. It is hard to believe that, that Mig was downed using a BVR (considering it came chasing the attacking PAF jets) ...... plus much of the publicly available information suggests it was a dog fight.
 
A Cannon can be used to attack moving ground targets even when you are equipped for aerial combat.

Hi,

People---I almost forgot about it---but how could I---.

Paf shoots down it first two modern enemy aircraft with BVR missiles---.

Remember when 10 + years ago when I started talking about the lethality of modern BVR missiles---as to how deadly they are and how deadly they are going to be---and possibly most of the combat is going to be BVR and BVR only---and merges would be a thing of the past-.

And on top of that I mentioned---there would be no room for a machine gun or a canon on a modern aircraft---.

I am pretty sure that most of you---who poked fun at me are eating crow---.

The very first air to air battle of the modern and capable fighter aircraft of similar capability resulted in a BVR missile fight---resulted in enemy's aircraft casualty and supposedly had a very high kill ratio---.

Do you people remember those fools on high position on this forum who would jump back to the vietnam war era air to air combat and the failure of the air to air missiles---these morons and goofballs were think tank members and think tank chairperson---and they were full of sarcasm and insults---hey you---look who is the fool now---.

You fools---I told you then---the technology has expanded over a million times from the vietnam era---the old computer that would fill a house is being captured in the palm of the hand today and has a million times more processing power---and yet you guys kept on harping your intellect out of sheer stupidity---.

It amazed and surprised me when I tried to explain---look guys---nations are fielding these million dollar + bvr missiles---they have so much investment behind these missiles---it is technically not possible for these missiles to fail---but the error was on my part that I was trying to teach water buffaloes and bulls the intricacies and fine points of classical music---.

I then stated something else as well---the machine gun would be an obsolete item for a modern fighter aircraft---and the same group of people talked about the same vietnam era bullsh-it---the Phantom episode---.

Today I shut them off as well---.

Today's modern warfare between similar modern aircraft would not leave time for the fighter pilot to look for where his guns are pointed at---neither would he have the time to get closer and lock the target to the gun sight and let go of a burst---.

So---shut the fck up you guys---. Time always brings out the truth---and you think tankers and mods have been put to shame---not all---but many of you---.

So---in this very first air to air combat---you people will acknowledge the ferocity of the BVR combat---you people will acknowledge the lethality of the BVR combat---and once you acknowledge the gains due to BVR combat---you will do your very best to stay out of any other combat that would get you in any closer position to the enemy---.

The machine gun / canon can be replaced with an extra modular fuel tank---or any other EW device helpfull to the aircraft etc etc etc---.
 
Sir with all due respect why do you think that the Americans with all the technology at their disposal have installed a Gatling gun on the F35????
gun will remain but it will not be primary weapon sir
 
Nothing confirms that the mig came within shooting range, crossing the border does not mean Thunders were hovering over border, they could still be 40/50 miles in land


Downing of that other jet which crashed in IOK ..... yes may be. And I think this BVR theory is apparently based on the metal chuck shown in indian media. Which still is being denied and leads to confusion because Pakistan hasn't accepted F-16s role in this short limited conflict. Did SA help arm thunders with BVR capability?

Mig downed in Pakistani held Kashmir is confirm and accepted by all ....... which also leads to confirm that Mig (which apparently was flown by Abhi) did cross the border and came well within visual range. It is hard to believe that, that Mig was downed using a BVR (considering it came chasing the attacking PAF jets) ...... plus much of the publicly available information suggests it was a dog fight.
 
Sir with all due respect why do you think that the Americans with all the technology at their disposal have installed a Gatling gun on the F35????

Hi,

Due to pressure from the " illiterate " people---( congress )---otherwise---the cannon was deemed un-neccessary for both the F35 and F22
 
sir i remember your post and i think you were right
 
gun will remain but it will not be primary weapon sir

That is why I mentioned 'modular fuel tank' etc etc etc---.

Now don't get me wrong---the canon has it use---but for that---you will have to split the category of the aircraft---.

Putting the post in this manner was to get the reader's attention---.

The air to air combat aircraft and the ground strike version will have either ---or---or---.

This air to air combat and the coming air to air combats in this arena are going to change some of the strategy of air combat---.

Prior to this---one side was totally superior to the other side---like the USAF against Iraq or Libya---or Syria vs Israel---.
 
Nothing confirms that the mig came within shooting range, crossing the border does not mean Thunders were hovering over border, they could still be 40/50 miles in land

We can say the same for the whole of the conflict ...... there is nothing confirm except that a Mig crashed and indian pilot captured ........ all of the rest is just speculation / non confirmed information. However, that Mig and its pilot does confirm that engagement took place over Pakistani skies ....... so it most probably was a dog fight because per claims thunders were returning from a mission within enemy territory .......
 
Hi,

Due to pressure from the " illiterate " people---( congress )---otherwise---the cannon was deemed un-neccessary for both the F35 and F22
Last ditch effort when both BVRAAM and SRAAM is expired, i will completely disagree with you and congress is not eligible to do with F-35 project USAF want the gun for last resort @MastanKhan :disagree:
 
Hi,

People---I almost forgot about it---but how could I---.

Paf shoots down it first two modern enemy aircraft with BVR missiles---.

Remember when 10 + years ago when I started talking about the lethality of modern BVR missiles---as to how deadly they are and how deadly they are going to be---and possibly most of the combat is going to be BVR and BVR only---and merges would be a thing of the past-.

And on top of that I mentioned---there would be no room for a machine gun or a canon on a modern aircraft---.

I am pretty sure that most of you---who poked fun at me are eating crow---.

The very first air to air battle of the modern and capable fighter aircraft of similar capability resulted in a BVR missile fight---resulted in enemy's aircraft casualty and supposedly had a very high kill ratio---.

Do you people remember those fools on high position on this forum who would jump back to the vietnam war era air to air combat and the failure of the air to air missiles---these morons and goofballs were think tank members and think tank chairperson---and they were full of sarcasm and insults---hey you---look who is the fool now---.

You fools---I told you then---the technology has expanded over a million times from the vietnam era---the old computer that would fill a house is being captured in the palm of the hand today and has a million times more processing power---and yet you guys kept on harping your intellect out of sheer stupidity---.

It amazed and surprised me when I tried to explain---look guys---nations are fielding these million dollar + bvr missiles---they have so much investment behind these missiles---it is technically not possible for these missiles to fail---but the error was on my part that I was trying to teach water buffaloes and bulls the intricacies and fine points of classical music---.

I then stated something else as well---the machine gun would be an obsolete item for a modern fighter aircraft---and the same group of people talked about the same vietnam era bullsh-it---the Phantom episode---.

Today I shut them off as well---.

Today's modern warfare between similar modern aircraft would not leave time for the fighter pilot to look for where his guns are pointed at---neither would he have the time to get closer and lock the target to the gun sight and let go of a burst---.

So---shut the fck up you guys---. Time always brings out the truth---and you think tankers and mods have been put to shame---not all---but many of you---.

So---in this very first air to air combat---you people will acknowledge the ferocity of the BVR combat---you people will acknowledge the lethality of the BVR combat---and once you acknowledge the gains due to BVR combat---you will do your very best to stay out of any other combat that would get you in any closer position to the enemy---.

The machine gun / canon can be replaced with an extra modular fuel tank---or any other EW device helpfull to the aircraft etc etc etc---.
If you are so correct why does Pakistan focus so heavily in close quarter combat? Do u know more than them????ummm
 

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