Forget North Korea: Pakistan Might Be the Real Nuclear Threat

[Verve]

It got them nowhere

Ask Iraqis if they would have preferred to be mutilated and killed as they have or have nuclear weapons and not be attacked.

Nukes = Survival

Now, please don't bring USSR in. Talk of Russia if need be. Or Yugoslavia that gave up nuclear program and then it was broken up in pieces.

 

[SQ8]

I am Sorry but this is not True.

There is nothing unislamic about nuclear weapons technology or its use.

A nuclear weapon does not stay in the target, it does not spare the survivors, women, children, the old.. it does not spare the environment, it does not stop killing long after a conflcit could stop.

All against what was taught regarding conflict in Islam.

Which means having your nation destroyed with millions killed and many more millions severely disabled, injured and vanquished like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya is HIGHLY Islamic....................which is EXACTLY what would have happened to Pakistan had we NOT had nukes.........

Doesn’t make it right. A necessity but not a right one.

ghamidi ideology.

Reactionary mentality^

 

[El Sidd]

A nuclear weapon does not stay in the target, it does not spare the survivors, women, children, the old.. it does not spare the environment, it does not stop killing long after a conflcit could stop.

All against what was taught regarding conflict in Islam.

You may interpret things in Whatever way you are comfortable with.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[SQ8]

And i used to wonder how come nobody ever points that out?

Fake narrative taught with ignorance to kids since the 90’s. Just a basic look at the dictactes given at the battle of Badr and the Quran for war should show all NBC systems as violating those tenets.

 

[waz]

Same old turd, polished up and put on again for public viewing.
Be more original DePetris.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

A nuclear weapon does not stay in the target, it does not spare the survivors, women, children, the old.. it does not spare the environment, it does not stop killing long after a conflcit could stop.

All against what was taught regarding conflict in Islam.


Doesn’t make it right. A necessity but not a right one.


Reactionary mentality^

Makes it very right. Might is right. The way of the world. Weakness is eradicated. Just ask the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians Libyans etc. They will succinctly confirm and explain it to you.


PS If they kill our women and children, I'm more than happy to do the same to theirs. It will stop our enemies from attacking us in the 1st place.

 

[SQ8]

You may interpret things in Whatever way you are comfortable with.

We can agree to disagree.

I can agree to that

Makes it very right. Might is right. The way of the world. Weakness is eradicated. Just ask the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians Libyans etc. They will succinctly confirm and explain it to you.


PS If they kill our women and children, I'm more than happy to do the same to theirs. It will stop our enemies from attacking us in the 1st place.

Geopolitics is irrelevant to what is theological diktat.
Usury and interest is forbidden but the entirety of Pakistan indulges in it even though on the surface it does no harm.

P.s Salahuddin was victorious in both battles and repute only because he chose not to repeat the crusaders brutality against non-combatants.

 

[Baghial]

1. Depends on Pakistani leadership being compromised including command and control for nuclear deployment which is in itself extremely robust.

2 impossible since 1999.

a lot of countries have ,,,A- bomb
or n- bomb

they are nothing unless the user has balls as big as

https://www.google.be/url?sa=i&sour...aw2T7bE2lYLTFmeNh1jImWyH&ust=1533491813322458

a lot of countries have ,,,A- bomb
or n- bomb

they are nothing unless the user has balls as big as

https://www.google.be/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj2nfeo_NPcAhXQaFAKHT9-AgkQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium&psig=AOvVaw2T7bE2lYLTFmeNh1jImWyH&ust=1533491813322458

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Exactly. No one in their right mind would go through with it.

Fake narrative taught with ignorance to kids since the 90’s. Just a basic look at the dictactes given at the battle of Badr and the Quran for war should show all NBC systems as violating those tenets.

 

[YeBeWarned]

yawn ...

 

[maximuswarrior]

Pakistan gives a big middle finger to hypocritical Americans. The only country to have used nuclear weapons against other human beings.

 

[TOPGUN]

Another BS story of another wet dreamer lolz lmao.

 

[FuturePAF]

The Pakistani Military's job is defense, and the special program is the way to ensure it. In under two years Pakistan will have reached enough material for 200 systems; which if they are enhanced to reach the yield possessed by The Marshall they will be world class and a true deterrent. To survive in this day and age, minimum credible deterrence has to shift to "robust survivable deterrence". The Shell game proposed for the MX system of the 1980's but under our mountains will ensure safe unpredictable launch, and a modern missile with carbon fiber casing and modern fuel will get the range (from a smaller missile to ensure better mobility), some decoys, and a glide warhead like the Russian Avangard, and you have a credible system that will keep all potential opponents at the peace table and wary of threatening the security of the nation. These development are what the SP should focus on and not range or merely numbers of missiles. Quality then quantity when the finances are freed up.

 

[LeGenD]

In part I agree with you. But you also have to realize is that sometimes you have to be rude, blunt and assertive for evil powers to leave you alone. History has shown this. The North Koreans and Iranians always give 2 fingers to the americans yet the americans actually respect them and do not attack them militarily. The Iraqis and Arabs in general virtually worship and lick the a**es of the americans yet the americans routinely destroy their nations and kill millions of their people. If we need R&D we can get help from our Chinese brothers and sisters. They have already done more for Pakistan that any other nation has done for another nation, in the whole history of mankind. Chinese R & D is fast catching up with the americans and Russians.

Bro,

'Evil powers' is a relative term. To some countries, China is an evil power. However, reality is complex and no country is inherently evil.

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US respect North Korea?

Behind-the-scenes, US was preparing for full-scale war with North Korea. FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/14/us/politics/military-exercises-north-korea-pentagon.html

US was planning to use microwave weapons to disable North Korean missile launchers in the opening phase of assault:

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US respect Iran?

US sabotaged Iranian nuclear program with covert operations and overt threats.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph241/holloway1/


US was willing to utilize extremely powerful bunker buster weapons to destroy deeply buried Iranian nuclear facilities.

Donald Trump's recent threat to Iranian President Rouhani:

"Never, ever threaten the United States again or you will suffer consequences the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before."

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US subjected North Korea to extremely harsh sanctions not long ago and arm-twisted China into complying with them:-

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ctions-trump-warns-of-phase-two-idUSKCN1G71RD
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-be-working-heres-why/?utm_term=.f92d2e06395b

North Korea have capitulated and willing to negotiate its way out of crisis.

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US is now subjecting Iran to extremely harsh sanctions, and will arm-twist all of its trading partners into complying with them:-

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/08/her...eturning-after-trump-leaves-nuclear-deal.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sanctions-start-to-pinch-shipping-in-iran-1527586200
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/bus...ency-in-free-fall-as-american-sanctions-loom/

There are already signs of unrest in Iran due to lack of job opportunities and water crisis:-

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ts-in-iran-as-us-sanctions-loom-idUSKBN1KP06X

Now that US have its hands free from Iraq, and War On Terror is also winding down, it is looking forward to punish Iran.

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My point is that showing middle finger to US can backfire spectacularly, and US is a relentless enemy.

Iraq is home to proud people much like Pakistan, and Saddam Hussein was not a fan of US; Saddam made decisions per his mindset and never cared about American retribution. This much is apparent from the fact when he ordered invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and refused to heed calls from the UN to end this occupation. From this point onwards, US perceived Iraq a major threat to American interests in the region, and saw through it.

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Pakistan cannot maintain a low profile in international affairs due to Kashmir, Afghanistan, Terrorism and being a nuclear power. China is undeniably a valuable partner of Pakistan but this world is much bigger than China. Pakistan is a member of UN and have to work with many countries - not just few.

Consider Russia for a moment. Russia have significant issues with NATO but it did not shut the door to diplomacy with the WEST.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/world/europe/putin-trump-moscow-meeting.html

You think Vladimir Putin is not frustrated? With the level of power he has at his disposal, and still not able to address pressing issues with NATO - is most frustrating.

Not to forget the sanctions: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-sanctions-aimed-at-putin-s-russia-quicktake

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Do not loose hope. And more importantly, do not create new enemies.

Sharpen your diplomatic skills and create a positive image.

India's greatest victory would be turn Pakistan into a Pariah state, and we should not let this happen.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bro,

'Evil powers' is a relative term. To some countries, China is an evil power. However, reality is complex and no country is inherently evil.

---

US respect North Korea?

Behind-the-scenes, US was preparing for full-scale war with North Korea. FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/14/us/politics/military-exercises-north-korea-pentagon.html

US was planning to use microwave weapons to disable North Korean missile launchers in the opening phase of assault:

---

US respect Iran?

US sabotaged Iranian nuclear program with covert operations and overt threats.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph241/holloway1/

US was willing to utilize extremely powerful bunker buster weapons to destroy deeply buried Iranian nuclear facilities.

Donald Trump's recent threat to Iranian President Rouhani:

"Never, ever threaten the United States again or you will suffer consequences the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before."

---

US subjected North Korea to extremely harsh sanctions not long ago and arm-twisted China into complying with them:-

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ctions-trump-warns-of-phase-two-idUSKCN1G71RD
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-be-working-heres-why/?utm_term=.f92d2e06395b

North Korea have capitulated and willing to negotiate its way out of crisis.

---

US is now subjecting Iran to extremely harsh sanctions, and will arm-twist all of its trading partners into complying with them:-

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/08/her...eturning-after-trump-leaves-nuclear-deal.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sanctions-start-to-pinch-shipping-in-iran-1527586200
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/bus...ency-in-free-fall-as-american-sanctions-loom/

There are already signs of unrest in Iran due to lack of job opportunities and water crisis:-

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ts-in-iran-as-us-sanctions-loom-idUSKBN1KP06X

Now that US have its hands free from Iraq, and War On Terror is also winding down, it is looking forward to punish Iran.

---

My point is that showing middle finger to US can backfire spectacularly, and US is a relentless enemy.

Iraq is home to proud people much like Pakistan, and Saddam Hussein was not a fan of US; Saddam made decisions per his mindset and never cared about American retribution. This much is apparent from the fact when he ordered invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and refused to heed calls from the UN to end this occupation. From this point onwards, US perceived Iraq a major threat to American interests in the region, and saw through it.

---

Pakistan cannot maintain a low profile in international affairs due to Kashmir, Afghanistan, Terrorism and being a nuclear power. China is undeniably a valuable partner of Pakistan but this world is much bigger than China. Pakistan is a member of UN and have to work with many countries - not just few.

Consider Russia for a moment. Russia have significant issues with NATO but it did not shut the door to diplomacy with the WEST.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/world/europe/putin-trump-moscow-meeting.html

You think Vladimir Putin is not frustrated? With the kind of power he has at his disposal, and still not able to address pressing issues with NATO - is most frustrating.

Not to forget the sanctions: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-sanctions-aimed-at-putin-s-russia-quicktake

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Do not loose hope. And more importantly, do not create new enemies.

I couldn't care less about the world. I am looking at things from a Pakistani POV. If killing millions of innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Japan etc doesn't make you an evil power then perhaps we should all become satanists and start worshipping the devil.........