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Forget North Korea: Pakistan Might Be the Real Nuclear Threat

I have reiterated from time to time that Pakistan cannot take US for granted anymore. We should strive for a mutually beneficial relationship with them in which 'economic matters' take precedence. We need get rid of PPPP and PML(N) style diplomacy and task our experts to craft a long-term foreign policy for the US.

Pakistan should avoid becoming North Korea 2.0, period.



I'd rather be North Korea parts 1 AND 2 then be the american "success" stories of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc. Those nations are destroyed with millions upon millions killed and depleted uranium contamination is everywhere. americans can't be trusted. They have a habit of annihilating ultra weak Muslim countries. Pakistan NEEDS to continue building more advanced nukes, with higher yields, H-bombs and longer ranges.
 
I use to constantly see those article between 2008-2012 , danger of Pakistan's nuclear weapons getting taken over by Talibans or Al Qaeda, nothing happened. Pakistan defeated terrorism , indian plans were ruined.

Now they are coming up with same old shit, nobody is gonna buy.
 
I'd rather be North Korea parts 1 AND 2 then be the american "success" stories of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc. Those nations are destroyed with millions upon millions killed and depleted uranium contamination is everywhere. americans can't be trusted. They have a habit of annihilating ultra weak Muslim countries. Pakistan NEEDS to continue building more advanced nukes, with higher yields, H-bombs and longer ranges.
Bro,

North Korean people lived the life of an inmate, devoid of quality education, facilities and democracy. Meanwhile North Korean establishment was busy building bigger bombs and missiles. It got them nowhere.

North Korea was heavily sanctioned, threatened with fire and fury, and eventually capitulated.

You want Pakistan to repeat mistakes of North Korea? Hell NO.

Enough with polarized way of politics and thinking. We need to get rid of PPPP and PML(N) style diplomacy and task our experts to craft a long-term foreign policy for US on mutually beneficial grounds. No other way through.

Amreeka nahin tu cheen? Cheen nahin tu Ruus? Not this nonsense. Work with everybody.
 
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Could Pakistan be more of a nuclear security threat to Israel than Iran?

by Daniel R. DePetris

Despite all of the attempts from the nuclear non-proliferation community, Pakistan will continue to develop and strengthen its nuclear deterrent as long as the high brass in the Pakistani military continues to have an India-centric mindset in its defense policy. India and Pakistan have fought three wars since Islamabad’s independence in 1947, and in each case, the Pakistanis were the either the losers are forced into a stalemate before acceding to a ceasefire (the 1971 breakaway of eastern Pakistan, which would later be named Bangladesh, was an especially embarrassing defeat for the Pakistanis). Islamabad hasn’t forgotten these cases ever since. And for the Pakistanis, the lessons of these past conflicts are all the same: we cannot repeat history.


Could Pakistan be more of a nuclear security threat to Israel than Iran? Conventional wisdom suggests that a nuclear-armed Iran is the most pressing potential nuclear threat to Israel. It’s a country run by a Shia theocracy espousing invective for Israel on a daily basis. Indeed, Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ranted about the possibility of Israel’s forthcoming destruction as recently as this week. However, Azriel Bermant, a research associate at the Tel Aviv-based Institute for National Security Studies, offered a different take earlier this year in a column he wrote for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz: the real threat might come from Pakistan.


(This first appeared in 2015.)


Bermant postulated that despite the worries of both Israeli and American policymakers alike, Iran may not be the nuclear threat that Israel should focus on. After all, Tehran doesn’t have a single nuclear weapon at its disposal. Further, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action signed in July will forestall the Iranians from the nuclear threshold for the next fifteen to twenty-five years. Rather, Bermant argues, “one could argue that Islamabad poses more of a threat to Israel than Tehran does.”

It’s worth considering because the Pakistani government possesses a fairly large nuclear arsenal. Over the years, President Barack Obama has expressed reservations about the continuing growth and stability of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program. Only three months into his first term in April 2009, President Obama voiced his concerns: “ We have huge …national-security interests in making sure that Pakistan is stable and that you don’t end up having a nuclear-armed militant state.”


Here is why the United States likely continues to have those worries, nearly seven years later:

1. Pakistan’s Growing Arsenal

There are thousands of nuclear weapons in the world today. According to the latest count from the Federation of American Scientists, the five original nuclear powers have a combined 15,465 nuclear weapons between them, most of which are divided amongst the United States and Russia. Yet the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world is not included in this number. While Pakistan has a range of 100-120 nuclear weapons in its possession — a figure that pales in comparison to the United States or Russia — Islamabad has devoted a tremendous amount of its military budget to growing its arsenal and procuring the associated delivery systems that are needed to launch them.

More alarming than Pakistan’s current stockpile is the projected growth of its arsenal over the next decade. In a wide-ranging report for the Council on Foreign Relations, professor Gregory D. Koblentz of George Mason University assessed that Pakistan had enough highly enriched uranium to increase its stockpile to 200 nuclear weapons by 2020 if fully utilized. Percentage wise, this would mean that the Pakistani army would be projected to increase its nuclear weapons arsenal by roughly sixty-seven percent over the next five years. In other words, Pakistan could have as many nuclear weapons as the United Kingdom by 2020. Moreover, Pakistan falls outside the purview of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

To guarantee that they the ability to rapidly expand their stockpile, the Pakistani military is investing in reprocessing plutonium in addition to enriching uranium. In January 2015, the Institute for Science and International Security reported that the Pakistanis opened up their fourth plutonium facility at Khushab, which provides Islamabad with an additional channel to construct nuclear bomb material in a relatively short period of time. “Its expansion appears to be part of an effort to increase the production of weapons-grade plutonium,” the ISIS report (not to be confused with the terrorist group) reads. “Allowing Pakistan to build a larger number of miniaturized plutonium-based nuclear weapons that can complement its existing highly enriched uranium nuclear weapons.”

2. Pakistani Nukes a Major U.S. Intelligence Priority

To say that the U.S. intelligence community is closely monitoring the development of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program would be an understatement. The U.S. government is doing more than just monitoring: they are actively preparing for a terrible catastrophe and engaging Pakistani officials in the hopes that they will stop pouring resources into the expansion of their program. The last thing Washington wants or needs is a nuclear crisis flashpoint in a dangerous and unpredictable region filled with an alphabet soup of Islamist terrorist groups. The U.S. government under both George W. Bush and Barack Obama has been trying to prevent such a crisis scenario from occurring.

Thanks to the 2010 Wikileaks disclosures, we can glean how seriously the State Department took the problem. In September 2009 , on the margins of a nuclear security meeting among the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, Undersecretary for Arms Control Ellen Tauscher discussed with China’s foreign minister about how intransigent Islamabad had been in implementing the Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty (FMCT). In response to Tauscher’s concerns, China’s representative agreed to discuss the treaty problems with Islamabad directly.

The prospect of Pakistan losing control of its nuclear materials has been a persistent headache for the United States. It is a scenario that military planners and intelligence officials have been planning for even before the September 11, 2001 attacks. NBC News ran a long investigative piece on U.S. plans to unilaterally secure Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal if a situation erupted that would put U.S. interests at risk — whether it included nuclear materials being stolen by a terrorist group; extremists infiltrating the ranks of the Pakistani army or a quick escalation of violence between Pakistan and India. The investigation found that “Pakistan’s weaponry has been the subject of continuing discussions, scenarios, war games and possibly even military exercises by U.S. intelligence and special operations forces regarding so-called ‘snatch-and-grab’ operations.”

The safety of Pakistan’s nuclear stockpile remains a key action item for the U.S. intelligence community today — so much so that Pakistan-specific analytical cells were created in order to address the lack of information that America’s intelligence professionals were receiving about Islamabad’s proliferation activities.


3. Nukes Have Gotten Pakistan Into Trouble With the U.S.

Pakistan’s high enrichment of uranium is not a new problem — it has complicated the U.S.-Pakistan bilateral relationship since the mid 1970’s, when U.S. lawmakers first enacted a strict set of economic sanctions on Islamabad’s nuclear weaponization activities. The 1977 Glenn amendment added to the Foreign Assistance Act was the first of many congressional efforts to pressure Pakistan (and any other non-nuclear weapons state not party to the NPT) to refrain from conducting a nuclear explosive test. That legislation came in handy in May 1998, when President Bill Clinton enacted sanctions on Pakistan in retaliation for a nuclear test that occurred two weeks after India’s own testing (New Delhi was also sanctioned at the time). Those sanctions prevented the U.S. from sending any foreign assistance to Pakistan — a restriction that was eventually eased later in the year under a new statute.

President Clinton’s predecessor also had his run-ins with the Pakistanis when it came to nuclear proliferation. In 1990, President George H.W. Bush was unable to certify to Congress that Pakistan did not possess a nuclear device. Because President Bush could not make the certification required under U.S. law, Washington was compelled to substantial cut off military and economic assistance to the Pakistani Government — a provision that was in effect until 1996, when the Brown amendment relaxed the restrictions on economic aid.

All of the country-wide sanctions were in addition to the numerous penalties on companies who violated U.S. arms control export policies, which forbid corporations around the world from delivering “material, equipment, or technology…to be used by Pakistan in the manufacture of a nuclear explosive device.” Dealings between Washington and Islamabad were very tense over the nuclear issue throughout the 1980’s and 1990’s. That all changed after 9/11, when Washington enlisted Pakistan’s support against Al-Qaeda.


4. Pakistan Needs Nukes for its Defense

Pakistan likes to fancy itself as a peer competitor to its historical rival India in the South Asia region. But if we’re going to be perfectly honest, Islamabad cannot compete with India in conventional capabilities. By virtue of New Delhi’s large population, impressive economic growth, and potential to continue improving its GDP in the years ahead, Pakistan will always be second-fiddle to its principal adversary in terms of army strength, battle tanks and combat jets. India spent nearly $50 billion on modernizing and building up its armed forces in 2014; Pakistan spent slightly more than $10 billion. The figures are not even close.

And that is why the Pakistani military views its nuclear weapons with such importance. For Islamabad, ensuring that nuclear weapons of all types — from stand-alone strategic weapons to tactical battlefield nukes — are primed and ready for use in a short period of time is a way to keep a vastly more powerful India in check. Unlike India, Islamabad has refused to accept a “no first use” doctrine, meaning that the Pakistani army is authorized to deploy nuclear weapons on the battlefield if the country’s national security is seriously at risk from an Indian incursion. Keeping the nuclear stockpile on stand-by is a way for the Pakistani Government to deter an India that is more populated, wealthier and has more men in uniform.


5. The Bottom Line

Despite all of the attempts from the nuclear non-proliferation community, Pakistan will continue to develop and strengthen its nuclear deterrent as long as the high brass in the Pakistani military continues to have an India-centric mindset in its defense policy. India and Pakistan have fought three wars since Islamabad’s independence in 1947, and in each case, the Pakistanis were the either the losers are forced into a stalemate before acceding to a ceasefire (the 1971 breakaway of eastern Pakistan, which would later be named Bangladesh, was an especially embarrassing defeat for the Pakistanis). Islamabad hasn’t forgotten these cases ever since. And for the Pakistanis, the lessons of these past conflicts are all the same: we cannot repeat history.

India-Pakistan relations remain a sore spot for both nations, from the ongoing and never-ending Kashmir dispute to allegations of meddling in one another’s domestic affairs (India continues to strongly believe that the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate fosters a deep partnership with a number of anti-India terrorist groups, while Islamabad has levied accusations about India’s covert connections with the Pakistani Taliban). With so much bad blood between the two, it’s unfathomable to believe that Pakistan would voluntary cap the number of nuclear warheads or agree to put its entire nuclear program under IAEA supervision. President Obama recognized this dynamic early in his presidency, telling Joe Klein with Time magazine that the Kashmir conflict is a constant irritant to peace in South Asia and that a special U.S. envoy may need to be appointed in order to prod both sides to start negotiating a long-term solution in a serious way. Progress on that front, however, has been nonexistent: violence in Kashmir still flares up occasionally, and with every death, the Indo-Pakistani relationship suffers another blow.

In the current environment, we all better get used to Pakistan becoming the third-largest nuclear weapons state in the world.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/forget-north-korea-pakistan-might-be-real-nuclear-threat-27647?page=0,2

@MastanKhan @Oscar @HRK @Sheepistanis @Psychic

Two things worrying for us...

1. US ability to stop Pakistan using nukes in war against India

2. US ability to capture our nukes in any certain scenario
Myopic view one sided view could better serve American design.
 
Everything about a nuclear weapon is unislamic.
ghamidi ideology.
 
Bro,

North Korean people lived the life of an inmate, devoid of quality education, facilities and democracy. Meanwhile North Korean establishment was busy building bigger bombs and missiles. It got them nowhere.

North Korea was heavily sanctioned, threatened with fire and fury, and eventually capitulated.

You want Pakistan to repeat mistakes of North Korea? Hell NO.

Enough with polarized way of politics and thinking. We need to get rid of PPPP and PML(N) style diplomacy and task our experts to craft a long-term foreign policy for US on mutually beneficial grounds. No other way through.

Amreeka nahin tu cheen? Cheen nahin tu Ruus? Not this nonsense. Work with everybody.




I somewhat agree with you. But is living the life of an inmate better than watching your family and fellow country people having their brains blown out and splattered in front of you in their millions? Is living the life of an inmate better than watching your people being murdered and women being raped by black american soldiers? Just ask the Iraqis and Afghans, they will tell you from 1st hand experience. Yes I agree that both the PPP and PMLN need to be destroyed and annihilated from the face of the earth.
 
I somewhat agree with you. But is living the life of an inmate better than watching your family and fellow country people having their brains blown out and splattered in front of you in their millions? Is living the life of an inmate better than watching your people being murdered and women being raped by black american soldiers? Just ask the Iraqis and Afghans, they will tell you from 1st hand experience. Yes I agree that both the PPP and PMLN need to be destroyed and annihilated from the face of the earth.
We need to undo the poison of Hussain Haqqani in the US and create an effective lobby there much like Israel. This is doable, and we have people who can deliver on this front.

Humain hoshmandi sey kaam leina hai, mere dost. Bandook challaney sey masley hal nahin hotey.
 
Everything about a nuclear weapon is unislamic.
And i used to wonder how come nobody ever points that out?
 
I have reiterated from time to time that Pakistan cannot take US for granted anymore. We should strive for a mutually beneficial relationship with them in which 'economic matters' take precedence. We need to get rid of PPPP and PML(N) style diplomacy and task our experts to craft a long-term foreign policy for the US.

Pakistan should avoid becoming North Korea 2.0, period.


Pakistan is never going to be North Korea as hard as India and America try
 
We need to undo the poison of Hussain Haqqani in the US and create an effective lobby there much like Israel. This is doable, and we have people who can deliver on this front.

Humain hoshmandi sey kaam leina hai, mere dost. Bandook challaney sey masley hal nahin hotey.



To hell with lobbying with the americans. F**k em. They're a bunch of murdering psychopaths. Got a better idea. Lets make Pakistan so militarily and economically powerful that NO nation on earth can mess with us. I rather be feared and respected than liked and annihilated like the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians etc.
 
To hell with lobbying with the americans. F**k em. They're a bunch of murdering psychopaths. Got a better idea. Lets make Pakistan so militarily and economically powerful that NO nation on earth can mess with us. I rather be feared and respected than liked and annihilated like the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians etc.
Bro,

These views are reassuring in theory but reality is very complex. Arms race is unfortunately a continuous development; what we have today might be obsolete for our needs tomorrow.

Check situation of Pakistan in R&D spending: http://uis.unesco.org/apps/visualisations/research-and-development-spending/

Abysmal to say the least.

Therefore, it is just as important to sharpen our diplomacy skills. The friends we have today might be enemies tomorrow. What will we do then? Never close your door to diplomacy with any country.
 
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I have reiterated from time to time that Pakistan cannot take US for granted anymore. We should strive for a mutually beneficial relationship with them in which 'economic matters' take precedence. We need to get rid of PPPP and PML(N) style diplomacy and task our experts to craft a long-term foreign policy for the US.

Pakistan should avoid becoming North Korea 2.0, period.
In order to avoid North Korea 2.0, Pakistan MUST give up her Nukes, decrease her military etc etc, so Pakistan has two choices....

I use to constantly see those article between 2008-2012 , danger of Pakistan's nuclear weapons getting taken over by Talibans or Al Qaeda, nothing happened. Pakistan defeated terrorism , indian plans were ruined.

Now they are coming up with same old shit, nobody is gonna buy.
People in the West will buy, these articles are not to convince Pakistanis. It is about generate support for their nefarious foreign policies or at least indifference towards them so they can try and carry them out without too much fuss...
 
This was the original article published in Israeli newspaper haaretz back in 2015.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...erical-over-pakistan-s-nuclear-bomb-1.5364286

Pakistan Is the Only Muslim Nuclear State – So Why Is Israel's Hysteria Reserved for Iran?
Unlike Iran, Pakistan doesn't call for Israel's destruction. But in certain ways, Islamabad poses more of a threat to Israel than Tehran does.



The game plan was, is and will remain to break Pakistan economy with economic hitmen like Zardari, nawaz , Ishaq Dar etc. Asad Umer hinted in his recent interview to kamran Khan about going to IMF and American shenanigans. He said about our red lines when trying to draw political mileage out of IMF assistance to Pakistan.

America is controlled by these Zionist pigs. Unless and until America is not free from these leeches, its futile to have any mutually beneficial relationship with it. Pakistan must treat America as existential threat and plan accordingly.
 
Bro,

These views are reassuring in theory but reality is very complex. Arms race is unfortunately a continuous development; what we have today might be obsolete for our needs tomorrow.

Check situation of Pakistan in R&D spending: http://uis.unesco.org/apps/visualisations/research-and-development-spending/

Abysmal to say the least.

Therefore, it is just as important to sharpen our diplomacy skills. The friends we have today might be enemies tomorrow. What will we do then? Never close your door to diplomacy with any country.


In part I agree with you. But you also have to realize is that sometimes you have to be rude, blunt and assertive for evil powers to leave you alone. History has shown this. The North Koreans and Iranians always give 2 fingers to the americans yet the americans actually respect them and do not attack them militarily. The Iraqis and Arabs in general virtually worship and lick the a**es of the americans yet the americans routinely destroy their nations and kill millions of their people. If we need R&D we can get help from our Chinese brothers and sisters. They have already done more for Pakistan that any other nation has done for another nation, in the whole history of mankind. Chinese R & D is fast catching up with the americans and Russians.

This was the original article published in Israeli newspaper haaretz back in 2015.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...erical-over-pakistan-s-nuclear-bomb-1.5364286

Pakistan Is the Only Muslim Nuclear State – So Why Is Israel's Hysteria Reserved for Iran?
Unlike Iran, Pakistan doesn't call for Israel's destruction. But in certain ways, Islamabad poses more of a threat to Israel than Tehran does.



The game plan was, is and will remain to break Pakistan economy with economic hitmen like Zardari, nawaz , Ishaq Dar etc. Asad Umer hinted in his recent interview to kamran Khan about going to IMF and American shenanigans. He said about our red lines when trying to draw political mileage out of IMF assistance to Pakistan.

America is controlled by these Zionist pigs. Unless and until America is not free from these leeches, its futile to have any mutually beneficial relationship with it. Pakistan must treat America as existential threat and plan accordingly.



israelis can't do nothing to us as we are not helpless Palestinaians or Arabs. The above article is actually quite a compliment. The israelis/Jews know FULL well about the potential of us Pakistanis and what Pakistan could one day be capable of. They are wary of this. As long as they leave Pakistan alone, we won't bother them. I don't have a problem with them as long as they mind their own business as far as Pakistan is concerned.
 
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