Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[kalu_miah]

I fully agree..this is just an Idea, still a very long way to get approved. Even if China want to divert some water from Tibet, it should chose the ones that is not affect downstream such India, BD or the rest. Maybe create artificial canal with nuclear plan to melt those icy snow is also an Idea.

Good to hear such sentiments. But the reality on the ground is that dams are being built and it is already affecting flow of existing rivers at sources in Tibet.

Regional rivers that is shared by many nations should be managed by multiple nations that share that river. Unilateral management like India has been doing since its birth in 1947 has already contributed to ecological disasters (desertification, rising Arsenic level etc.) and economic hardship in Bangladesh:
.:: International Farakka Committee ::.
.:: International Farakka Committee ::.

This is one reason I promote regionalism. In Asia, we need regional management of Asian resources. Asian regional effort for conflict management and resource sharing will be very important for the future of the region to avoid hostile moves by bigger nations, specially to protect interest of smaller nations.

Melting ice artificially is not an option. Glaciers are already melting due to global warming and they are getting smaller and smaller at higher elevations. Glaciers and high elevation ice is the only reservoir of water that keeps water flowing in the dry season. Once they are gone due to global warming, it will just be huge flow of water in the rainy season and not much in the rest of the seasons. What this means is that there will be bigger floods in the wet season and leaner rivers in the dry season.

I think it is possible to build reservoir in the higher elevations between mountains and control the flow of rivers, so it can be beneficial for all downstream countries, if projects are taken up as regional efforts. Even if glaciers are gone, there is enough snow and rain fall in Tibet and Himalayan foot hills for all downstream populations. If it can be stored properly, floods can be controlled and some diversions may also be possible, after existing downstream flow concerns are met.

The key is multilateral regional efforts and regionalism, rather than unilateral national efforts.

 

[DV RULES]

The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region is the western edge of China (Xinjiang means the new frontier in Chinese). It borders on Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Mongolia and the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. 9 million Uyghurs (Sunni Muslims) make up 45% of the total population of the Region. From time to time protests hit the streets calling for independence from China. The USA has a role to play here, it defends the separatists on international scene. The Uygur culture or rights don’t mean anything for Washington, but the Region enjoys strategically important geographic position being situated in the heart of Eurasia which is viewed as an area of its vital interests by the United States.

For the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union the Xinjiang Uygur Region was an area where its interests conflicted with Great Britain. The region provided access to India. Today there is a conflict of interests with the United States, which finds it important strategically to deny Russia and China an access the Indian Ocean.

Establishing control over the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region means getting a springboard for US penetration into the heartland of Eurasia. For instance, the geographic position of Kazakhstan makes it kind of a buffer zone against the Islamic radicalism coming from Afghanistan. Crossing the Kazakh territory, radicals would get to Russia (Kazakhstan borders on Astrakhan, Chelyabinsk, Saratov, Volgograd, Novosibirsk, Omsk and Tyumen regions of the Russian Federation). Muslim Bashkiria and Tatarstan are in the vicinity. While the USSR contained the spread of Islamic extremism, having tightly closed the southern border, Kazakhstan and Western Siberia remained parts of the Soviet Union. It has all changed by now. The US intervention into Afghanistan has exacerbated the situation near the southern part of Russia. In case the US gets a foothold in the Xinjiang Uygur Region, the things will exponentially worsen, there are many Uyghurs living in Central Asia (250000 in Kazakhstan, 60000 in Kyrgyzstan, 50000 in Uzbekistan etc).

The Region is rich in oil and gas, as well as rare-earth metals. There are 52 minerals extracted there. It’s an important trade and transportation hub, an economic center of western China. The Chinese commodities cross its territory to get transported to the Pakistani port of Karachi and then to South Asia. Pakistan and China are strategic allies, the destabilization of Xinjiang would hinder the flow of goods from Islamabad to Beijing. The Chinese law enforcement agencies report there are people on the wanted list in Pakistan among the dead Uyghur separatists. At that Beijing does its best to have good relations with Islamabad (1).

There is a major telecommunications project under construction - the Trans-Asia-Europe Fiber Optic Line, which is to connect Shanghai, China and Frankfurt, Germany passing through the Region (2). Oil and gas flows from the Caspian will cross it on the way to the Asia-Pacific. The Region borders on Tibet. The hue and cry raised by Washington from time to time over the human rights violations in Tibet is a trick the US propaganda machine resorts to while waging an information war against China.

The US goes to any length to support the Uygur separatists abroad, for instance the World Uyghur Congress headed by Rabiya Kadir , one of the richest Chinese in the world… She meets US congressmen and even has had a meeting with George Bush. She is a hyped symbol of Uyghur resistance. The 10 Conditions of Love movie devoted to her was shot in 2009. Despite the protests from Beijing, it was included into the Melbourne festival’s program.

The World Uyghur Congress cooperates with the so-called Tibetan government in exile and has branches in many countries, even in Australia. It should be noted that Anglo-Saxon powers (the United States of America, Great Britain, New Zealand and Australia) have been including China into their agenda for a number of years, some time ago Australia became a host country to US Marine Corps unit.

Washington predominantly uses three issues to exert pressure on China: Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang, where separatist protests are on the rise. That’s why the United States is well disposed towards the growth of Uyghur nationalism, using every opportunity to spur its radicalization…


Vladislav Gulevich - Xinjiang in Focus of US Foreign Policy - Strategic Culture Foundation - on-line journal > Xinjiang in Focus of US Foreign Policy > Strategic-Culture.org - Strategic Culture Foundation

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The same types they send to fight in Syria they will hope to kill 2 birds with one stone by supporting them against Chinese and by disturbing relations between Pak and China (or attempting to, rather)

We better be on high alert for such evil designs


After Syria, anything is possible

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

US always loves to meddle other nations' sovereignty, the divide and conquer is always their usual tactics, nothing new here.

 

[zxmint]

Free Hawaii! And free Texas republic!

 

[DV RULES]

US always loves to meddle other nations' sovereignty, the divide and conquer is always their usual tactics, nothing new here.

Yes, not new but need to prepare for counter productivity. What happened in Doha Summit was open violation of a country's integrity so if it could be possible than China has to remember that these CIS countries are purchase able in very reasonable amount.

 

[Paan Singh]

and people think US will leave afghanistan?

 

[asianamerican]

Free Hawaii! And free Texas republic!

If often wonder why China doesn't go the assassianation route. Sure is painful in the short run, but most people have short memory and forget it about it after a few years. I mean look at the US. After annexing Hawaii and going to war constantly for the last 70 years, people still gush about supposed freedom and human rights. China is not dirty enough.

They need to be more like Americans and Israelis. If these people were on the opposite end of American's interest supporting separatism and terrorism, they would been killed by now.

 

[S10]

If often wonder why China doesn't go the assassianation route. Sure is painful in the short run, but most people have short memory and forget it about it after a few years. I mean look at the US. After annexing Hawaii and going to war constantly for the last 70 years, people still gush about supposed freedom and human rights. China is not dirty enough.

They need to be more like Americans and Israelis. If these people were on the opposite end of American's interest supporting separatism and terrorism, they would been killed by now.

Zhou Enlai, who started China's intelligence agencies, explicitly forbid the practice of political assasination and sex as tools for intelligence activites. Since he was a paramount figure in China, the rule is set in stone.

 

[kalu_miah]

Xinjiang Uighurs are not seeking independence, all they want is better treatment, less discrimination, more jobs and investment of some of the resources extracted from their land. USA as usual is poking its nose where it does not belong. China needs to pay attention and do a better job to not to give any opportunity to USA or any others that want to create trouble.

I have been to Xinjiang and some former Soviet stans. Xinjiang economy is going up, standard of living of people is also going up, including those of minorities such as Uighur, Kazakh and Kyrgyz in Xinjiang. In some former Soviet states like Kyrgyz republic, some people still wish that Soviet Union did not break up, life was better in the Union. Many poor Tajik, Kyrgyz and Uzbek now go to Russia to do work as guest worker. Independence just to get a small less powerful state is almost always a wrong geopolitical move for any nation or people, unless its a unworkable situation and their life and property is under imminent threat.

Hopefully by 2014, USA will leave Afghanistan for good and never come back to meddle in Central Asia. China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan need to play active role to keep Afghanistan stabilized so USA do not find another opportunity to step in and make a mess.

Here is the road map I predict for this region:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180767-geopolitics-eurasia-region.html

 

[iajj]

xinjiang is in our hands because all of turkics' terrorist tactics and anglo-saxons' warmachines cannot win a war against chinese arms in xinjiang, not because of the good-heartedness of the turkics and the "negligence" of american foreign policy. american foreign policy and turkic terrorism conspire constantly to harm and murder hans in the area, and so our possession of xinjiang was made and is constantly reinforced by hunting down turkics and any american assets in the area

 

[iajj]

Xinjiang Uighurs are not seeking independence, all they want is better treatment, less discrimination, more jobs and investment of some of the resources extracted from their land.

who the hell are you to speak for the turkics and their rampage and murders in chinese land? and keep selling your retarded roadmaps to people who don't give a **** because they know that that you are on the payroll of some pan-turkicist organization is a transparent fact. peace is easily restored in xinjiang by turkics' recognizing the simple fact that chinese sovereignty on chinese land is first and foremost the exclusive, judicial right to kill their lot.

and even if the turkics put down their arms, there is no guarantee that the state won't kill them anyway: just like that lamaist terrorist who engaged in all sorts of militancy and terrorism back when that pig was young, and now he is old and spent and wants to sleep with hollywood, so he wants peace and not war, autonomy and not independence? he couldn't want war and autonomy because he failed and was defeated after killing so many innocent tibetans and chinese, and with so much blood on his hand, he doesn't get to call it quits: beijing gets to decide when to quit and when to stop targeting his sect. again, we have the right to kill his followers because we won the war that that lama started, and all peace is a vengeful, victor's peace, and all the lamaists and turkicists just need to live with this peace.

 

[kalu_miah]

who the hell are you to speak for the turkics and their rampage and murders in chinese land? and keep selling your retarded roadmaps to people who don't give a **** because they know that that you are on the payroll of some pan-turkicist organization is a transparent fact. peace is easily restored in xinjiang by turkics' recognizing the simple fact that chinese sovereignty on chinese land is first and foremost the exclusive, judicial right to kill their lot.

and even if the turkics put down their arms, there is no guarantee that the state won't kill them anyway: just like that lamaist terrorist who engaged in all sorts of militancy and terrorism back when that pig was young, and now he is old and spent and wants to sleep with hollywood, so he wants peace and not war, autonomy and not independence? he couldn't want war and autonomy because he failed and was defeated after killing so many innocent tibetans and chinese, and with so much blood on his hand, he doesn't get to call it quits: beijing gets to decide when to quit and when to stop targeting his sect. again, we have the right to kill his followers because we won the war that that lama started, and all peace is a vengeful, victor's peace, and all the lamaists and turkicists just need to live with this peace.

The road map can be wrong, its just my own idea, nothing more. Time will tell if that idea is worth anything.

I don't claim to speak for Turkics, instead I tried to give a neutral assessment with an outsiders perspective, because I have some first hand experience.

I am aware that both Tibetans and Turkics lost their wars against the PLA in 1950's and killings are justified in war.

But, you cannot maintain moral high ground and gain international leadership, if you have this my way or highway kind of attitude. I am sure responsible Chinese leaders do not think like this.

 

[S10]

Xinjiang Uighurs are not seeking independence, all they want is better treatment, less discrimination, more jobs and investment of some of the resources extracted from their land. USA as usual is poking its nose where it does not belong. China needs to pay attention and do a better job to not to give any opportunity to USA or any others that want to create trouble.

I have been to Xinjiang and some former Soviet stans. Xinjiang economy is going up, standard of living of people is also going up, including those of minorities such as Uighur, Kazakh and Kyrgyz in Xinjiang. In some former Soviet states like Kyrgyz republic, some people still wish that Soviet Union did not break up, life was better in the Union. Many poor Tajik, Kyrgyz and Uzbek now go to Russia to do work as guest worker. Independence just to get a small less powerful state is almost always a wrong geopolitical move for any nation or people, unless its a unworkable situation and their life and property is under imminent threat.

Hopefully by 2014, USA will leave Afghanistan for good and never come back to meddle in Central Asia. China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan need to play active role to keep Afghanistan stabilized so USA do not find another opportunity to step in and make a mess.

Here is the road map I predict for this region:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180767-geopolitics-eurasia-region.html

News flash, they already receive better treatment than 90% of the country. They go to university with lower grades than average, have 50% government job reserved for them, and get their sentences reduced in case they break the law. When they are getting the special treatment and still get rebellious, it's time to put them down like dogs. If they don't want to be Chinese citizens, they can be foreign corpses.

Keep in mind, they are outsiders to the region, while Han people were there more than a thousand years before the Turks arrived.

 

[canadian icehole]

Free Hawaii! And free Texas republic!

Don't forget to support the NRA and it's members if the FED comes for their guns. You never know, it could be 1776 all over again!

Zhou Enlai, who started China's intelligence agencies, explicitly forbid the practice of political assasination and sex as tools for intelligence activites. Since he was a paramount figure in China, the rule is set in stone.

I call bullsh!t on relying on honey traps. I can think of a recent US espionage case where it involved a Chinese female.