Will ‘Dostumistan’ Be Established Near Afghanistan’s Border With Uzbekistan?

[Ayush]

Say the word 'Pashtunistan' once more & I'd be forced to have you neutered with a pair of rusty garden scissors !

oye how does kashmiristan sound?

 

[vK_man]

Another sikh troll, how original.

Lets see sikh bravery. 65 war, perfect oportunity to capture Lahore. 25% of indian army is sikh back then. With support of hindus Indian army was several times bigger then us still were beaten to death. In 84, only one operation was needed for hindus to completly finish any sikh freedom movement. In 2008 you guys were beaten to death by marathis police.

Basically Indian sikhs have become a joke, always beaten around. And Iran shouldnt dream about things which they can't accomplish. They are opressing sunni Baloch. We will soon liberate our Baloch brothers also from Iran.

Another sikh troll, how original.

Lets see sikh bravery. 65 war, perfect oportunity to capture Lahore. 25% of indian army is sikh back then. With support of hindus Indian army was several times bigger then us still were beaten to death. In 84, only one operation was needed for hindus to completly finish any sikh freedom movement. In 2008 you guys were beaten to death by marathis police.

Basically Indian sikhs have become a joke, always beaten around. And Iran shouldnt dream about things which they can't accomplish. They are opressing sunni Baloch. We will soon liberate our Baloch brothers also from Iran.

• In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[7] –

India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2(190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.

• Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[78]

Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

• BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[79]

The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.

• "A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[8] –

India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.
Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Moreover, Pakistan had lost more ground than it had gained during the war and, more importantly, failed to achieve its goal of capturing Kashmir; this result has been viewed by many impartial observers as a defeat for Pakistan.[121][122][123]

Many high ranking Pakistani officials and military experts later criticized the faulty planning of Operation Gibraltar that ultimately led to the war. The Tashkent declaration was also criticized in Pakistan, though few citizens realised the gravity of the situation that existed at the end of the war. Political leaders were also criticized. Following the advice of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Pakistan's foreign minister, Ayub Khan had raised very high expectations among the people of Pakistan about the superiority – if not invincibility – of its armed forces,[124] but Pakistan's inability to attain its military aims during the war, created a political liability for Ayub.[125] The defeat of its Kashmiri ambitions in the war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition.[79]

Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[Armstrong]

oye how does kashmiristan sound?

Like the name of my yet-to-be-born-kid's potty trainer !

 

[guluchulo]

While you are negotiating with terrorists to hand over the tribal areas

Negotiating because those who surrender will be pardoned. We are not savages, similar warning will be given to your forces. Leave sistan or face death.

 

[vK_man]

What the hell is going on in this thread ?

A bunch of Pakistanis and an Iranian fighting over who will take over what part of Afghanistan ?

Did you guys ever bother to ask the Afghans what they want for themselves ?

Very sad. I feel bad for the unfortunate Afghans.

afghanistan has been battleground of powers .

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

afghanistan has been battleground of powers .

Okay. So ? It's time for change.

 

[guluchulo]

• In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[7] –

India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2(190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.

• Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[78]

Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

• BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[79]

The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.

• "A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[8] –

India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.
Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Moreover, Pakistan had lost more ground than it had gained during the war and, more importantly, failed to achieve its goal of capturing Kashmir; this result has been viewed by many impartial observers as a defeat for Pakistan.[121][122][123]

Many high ranking Pakistani officials and military experts later criticized the faulty planning of Operation Gibraltar that ultimately led to the war. The Tashkent declaration was also criticized in Pakistan, though few citizens realised the gravity of the situation that existed at the end of the war. Political leaders were also criticized. Following the advice of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Pakistan's foreign minister, Ayub Khan had raised very high expectations among the people of Pakistan about the superiority – if not invincibility – of its armed forces,[124] but Pakistan's inability to attain its military aims during the war, created a political liability for Ayub.[125] The defeat of its Kashmiri ambitions in the war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition.[79]

Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Sikhs were dreaming about having lunch in Lahore. Pak pushed them back despite most of our army being in LOC. Seriouslu sikhs now days are nothing more then a joke. Kashmiri muslims have shown more guts and will soon be free.

 

[EyanKhan]

I don't want a Pashtunistan within Pakistan or any other Province which, even implicitly, gives patronage to one ethnicity !

If I had my way I'd have Punjab broken down into all the 'divisions' that constitute present day Punjab & do the same in Baluchistan, Sindh & KPK !

A Province by the name of Masehra, Abbottabad, Lahore, Multan, DI Khan, Gwadar, Larkana etc. are considerably better than having a Province of Punjab or Khyber-Pukhtoonkhwa & thereby implying by extension that the Province's dominant identity is intrinsically linked to Punjabis or Pukhtoons respectively !

Imagine how much the poison of Provincialism or Ethno-Linguistic Nationalism would dissipate if we had such smaller Provinces & how effective & efficient Administration of those Provinces would be ?

Calm down Kashmir kun
Just the initial strategy to make them join the country
waise the provincial system is old and outdated the state system like India's and that of US is much better( debatable just initial thoughts)
Ethno nationalism disappears with education and preper functioning of state, one can be proud of his ethnicity/ancestral history but that is it. Pakistan is a young state and basically Pakistanism hasn't sunk in yet.
This is nothing new , creating a new nation a new identity takes decades to centuries .
It took America nearly 200 years to get its shit (society) together.

What the hell is going on in this thread ?

A bunch of Pakistanis and an Iranian fighting over who will take over what part of Afghanistan ?

Did you guys ever bother to ask the Afghans what they want for themselves ?

Very sad. I feel bad for the unfortunate Afghans.

Calm down man , nobody is taking an inch of Afghanistan can't say about the Iranians but we are kidding i thought that was quiet visible. Check our initial posts that is when we were serious now this is a troll thread.
P.s we (Pakistanis) never siad anything about forcing or annexing them ,it would be great if they join Pakistan of their own free will as they don't accept the Durran themselves and we won;t want anything better then to have our brothers and sisters with us in the same country

 

[Armstrong]

Calm down Kashmir kun
Just the initial strategy to make them join the country
waise the provincial system is old and outdated the state system like India's and that of US is much better( debatable just initial thoughts)
Ethno nationalism disappears with education and preper functioning of state, one can be proud of his ethnicity/ancestral history but that is it. Pakistan is a young state and basically Pakistanism hasn't sunk in yet.
This is nothing new , creating a new nation a new identity takes decades to centuries .
It took America nearly 200 years to get its shit (society) together.

Quaid-e-Azam also said something to the effect that it'll take Pakistanis a 100 years to become a Nation !

But my time is done....us old timers are a thing of the past !

Its now your turn my young Brother....you have to build Pakistan up !

P.S I will never understand why Pakistani Pukhtoons have fraternal ties with Afghans; I don't give a wooden nickle about Pro-Independence or Pro-India Kashmiris but you guys are strange in this !

They - the Afghan Pukhtoons - have brought nothing but misery to Pakistan & still you'd want them to be a part of Pakistan ?

 

[EyanKhan]

Quaid-e-Azam also said something to the effect that it'll take Pakistanis a 100 years to become a Nation !

But my time is done....us old timers are a thing of the past !

Its now your turn my young Brother....you have to build Pakistan up !

P.S I will never understand why Pakistani Pukhtoons have fraternal ties with Afghans; I don't give a wooden nickle about Pro-Independence or Pro-India Kashmiris but you guys are strange in this !

They - the Afghan Pukhtoons - have brought nothing but misery to Pakistan & still you'd want them to be a part of Pakistan ?

Pakistan's misery was brought by its own failures, weak politics , Islamism . It meddled in alot of things i wouldn't want to mention.But outrightly saying Pak's misery was brought by them is not true (they had a part in it but we are our own biggest victims)

 

[vK_man]

Sikhs were dreaming about having lunch in Lahore. Pak pushed them back despite most of our army being in LOC. Seriouslu sikhs now days are nothing more then a joke. Kashmiri muslims have shown more guts and will soon be free.

kashmiri muslims have good priveileges .Thats why they are so vocal.

Sikhs were dreaming about having lunch in Lahore.

Wrong.It was known that lahore would have to be returned in negotiations. At that time ,we had no soviet union/russia behind us.You had usa behind you. So no point in capturing lahore as it would have been returned during negotiations.

 

[Armstrong]

Pakistan's misery was brought by its own failures, weak politics , Islamism . It meddled in alot of things i wouldn't want to mention.But outrightly saying Pak's misery was brought by them is not true (they had a part in it but we are our own biggest victims)

Oh come on those things are a given but when someone is claiming nearly 2/3rd of your land, has supported insurgents against you for the past 65 years, is now reportedly arming & supporting the TTP, allowed its land to be used against you in the '90s & have never let a single opportunity pass to aggressively posture on the Durand Line whenever they could culminating in even crossing it over onto Pakistani Territory numerous times, you don't go & say 'Okay so maybe they did that too but most of it was our fault' !

Of course it was our fault - We should've realized that saving Afghan skin from the Soviets & in the manner we all decided too would create a hell lot of troubles for Pakistan & we should've realized that giving refuge to millions of Afghans for more than 3 decades is going to create problems for us but thats a given....I'm not defending us on that but the Afghans had more than 'just a part' in it - Their Governments, their continued infatuation with a Greater Afghanistan & their hate....yes 'hate' for Pakistan & Pakistanis played a huge.....huge part in all of that !

Therefore I really don't understand when some Pakistani Pukhtoons hate Afghans to their core whilst others are like 'they - the Afghans - are Our Brothers' - If it were up to me I'd have the Border mined & fenced & every single Afghan sent across the Durand Line to realize their dreams & continue hating Pakistan & Pakistanis from across the International Border !

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@EyanKhan Confederation between Pakistan and Afghanistan is better idea then absorbing pashtun portion of it. No matter how much afghanistan is in the ruins, it is cultural and historical reservior of not just pakhtuns but also uzbeks and tajiks who are more cultural and islamic than their russified kinsmen in central asia.
I was watching pashto interview of shahid afridi, he was using so many urdu words like @Abu Zolfiqar. What kind of fate is awaiting for pakistani pakhtuns, are they going to become irfan pathans in next century?

 

[guluchulo]

kashmiri muslims have good priveileges .Thats why they are so vocal.



Wrong.It was known that lahore would have to be returned in negotiations. At that time ,we had no soviet union/russia behind us.You had usa behind you. So no point in capturing lahore as it would have been returned during negotiations.

And Zaid Hamid would have captured whole Bharat if it wasnt for UN lol hababa

Next time come up with better excuse, fact is sikhs were trashed in 65 by us.

84 by hindus and 2008 by marathis

 

[vK_man]

Pakistan's misery was brought by its own failures, weak politics , Islamism . It meddled in alot of things i wouldn't want to mention.But outrightly saying Pak's misery was brought by them is not true (they had a part in it but we are our own biggest victims)

islamism is the biggest reason. If pakistan were following communist style atheism,buddhism ,bahaism or even sikhism ,it would have been stronger than what it is now.

You need pakistan to improve? Solution is simple .Shoot majority of mullahs. Moderate islam. Even better follow the turkey model or kazakh model or libyan model(under ghaddafi) .

Want to conquer India? implement communism and atheism/syncretism and make it successful .Likely in event of invasion you will see the indian poor side with Pakistan .You will achieve rule by conquest or consent.