Why Does India Lag So Far Behind China?

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不，印度在发展上远远领先于中国。印度是与美国并列的超级大国。

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中国在印度努力之前很久就开始了经济革命。他们获得了即使在几十年内也无法弥补的领先优势。

另一个因素是中国由独裁者统治，独裁者可以为了长期利益实施甚至不受欢迎的政策。一旦中国政府决定了一项经济活动，就不会停止。无法发起任何流行运动来阻止它。
在印度，由于诉讼和当地人的抵制，许多大型基础设施和绿地项目停滞不前。这是功能性民主过程的一部分。

中国在过去几十年的发展确实非常出色，没有必要感到心痛，因为这不是一场胜利者将获得奖牌的比赛。

事实上，这是一场创造财富的长跑，这将使所有参与者受益。印度正走在这条道路上。

儿子，忘了劳教所吧。你被你的英国父亲洗脑了，认为除了西方以外的每个国家都是古拉格

 

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这是中国，

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它是一个巨大的监狱。

可以肯定的是，印度没有人希望印度赶上中国。



恭喜你住在世界上最大的监狱里。

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儿子，忘了劳教所吧。你被你的英国父亲洗脑了，认为除了西方以外的每个国家都是古拉格

 

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Not entirely true. North-west Indians do, to some extent anyway, because of some shared cultural and linguistic similarities. Down south they don't care, in fact they barely care about north Indian politics. North Indians, similarly, are mostly clueless about the politics of the south.

Talking about people in general here, not those who study Indian politics either for their line of work or are just political junkies/nerds.


^refer above. To add, I'll say Pakistanis also like to gloat about them being "7 times smaller" (as if that means anything ：哈哈： yet holding out militarily and keeping the enemy at bay (even though there has not been any military aggression for the longest time)


Simple, India is a democracy full of crooked politicians who rabble rouse constantly to remain in power.

可以说，中国人在对异议、公共秩序混乱等采取零容忍政策方面拥有更好、更集权的治理体系。分裂主义被铁腕扼杀，镰刀斩首，残骸被锤子砸成碎片. 该死，他们甚至会把你扔进古拉格集中营，摘取你的器官……然后卖给有需要的外国人以赚取高额利润，尽管这种做法已经停止了大约十五年。他们非常民族主义，现在只有中国人可以享受这些好处。

他们可能是一种“混合”经济，而不是传统方式下的共产主义，但他们保留了它的某些方面以维持对民众的控制。在可能的范围内，他们试图对他们的臣民/公民可能消费的新闻和信息保持非常严格的控制。有人可能会说印度也这样做，但与中共的方式相比，它的规模微不足道。

印度中产阶级人数约为 5000 万。那些至少有经济能力的人可以出去购买最新款的 iPhone、索尼或三星，无论什么大电视等等。

与中国相比，这些数字可能一度显得苍白无力，但它们仍然意义重大，尤其是在生产该产品的公司眼中。

作为一个可能微不足道的小轶事……所以，前几天晚上从某个地方点了食物，一到这里就给送货员做了一个移动数字传输……他正在摇晃一部超级昂贵的最新高端手机


Riaz sb，我关注你的博客有一段时间了。你能不能写一篇关于 Pk 中产阶级/上中产阶级的消费习惯的文章，以及有多少人口属于其中。我们将感谢您对这一切的统计数据、图表、深入的知识和经验洞察力。

非常感谢，Shukriya。

孩子，忘记古拉格吧，你被你的英国父亲洗脑了，看谁都像古拉格

 

[Tafob]

That’s why I only did an economic comparison and didn’t get into these aspects.

Economically, China is doing well and is commendable. This has come at a huge cost to citizen rights. It’s citizens are under an autocrat and dictator which has its own cost.

Dig a little deeper and you get to know the REAL china and its economy,

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Unless the gap per capita is not $18,000 as of 2023, a nation will remain a poor and underdeveloped.

 

[RiazHaq]

In spite of their recent troubles, the Pakistanis (rank 108) are still happier than Indians (rank 126) and Bangladeshis (rank 119), according to the World Happiness Report 2023 released today.

The country rankings show life evaluations (answers to the Cantril ladder question) for each country, averaged over the years 2020-2022.

This is the Cantril ladder: it asks respondents to think of a ladder, with the best possible life for them being a 10 and the worst possible life being a 0. They are then asked to rate their own current lives on that 0 to 10 scale. The rankings are from nationally representative samples for the years 2019-2021.

World Happiness Rankings 2023 based on 3 year average among 137 countries

Finland Rank 1 Score 7.804

China Rank 64 Score 5.818

Pakistan Rank 108 Score 4.555

Bangladesh Rank 119 Score 4.282

India Rank 126 Score 4.036

Lebanon Rank 136 Score 2.392

Afghanistan Rank 137 Score 1.859

Happiness Gap Between Top Half and Bottom Half

Pakistan 4.427

India 4.64

Country name Ladder score Standard error of ladder score upper whisker lower whisker Logged GDP per capita Social support Healthy life expectancy Freedom to make life choices Generosity Perceptions of corruption Ladder score in Dystopia Explained by: Log GDP per capita Explained by: Social support Explained by: Healthy life expectancy Explained by: Freedom to make life choices Explained by: Generosity Explained by: Perceptions of corruption Dystopia + residual

Finland 7.804 0.036 7.875 7.733 10.792 0.969 71.150 0.961 -0.019 0.182 1.778 1.888 1.585 0.535 0.772 0.126 0.535 2.363

China 5.818 0.044 5.905 5.731 9.738 0.836 68.689 0.882 -0.041 0.727 1.778 1.510 1.249 0.468 0.666 0.115 0.145 1.666
5.818 0.044 5.905 5.731 9.738 0.836 68.689 0.882 -0.041 0.727 1.778 1.510 1.249 0.468 0.666 0.115 0.145 1.666

Pakistan 4.555 0.077 4.707 4.404 8.540 0.601 57.313 0.766 0.008 0.787 1.778 1.081 0.657 0.158 0.511 0.141 0.102 1.907

Bangladesh 4.282 0.068 4.416 4.148 8.685 0.544 64.548 0.845 0.005 0.698 1.778 1.133 0.513 0.355 0.617 0.139 0.165 1.361

India 4.036 0.029 4.092 3.980 8.759 0.608 60.777 0.897 0.072 0.774 1.778 1.159 0.674 0.252 0.685 0.175 0.111 0.979

Lebanon 2.392 0.044 2.479 2.305 9.478 0.530 66.149 0.474 -0.141 0.891 1.778 1.417 0.476 0.398 0.123 0.061 0.027 -0.110

Afghanistan 1.859 0.033 1.923 1.795 7.324 0.341 54.712 0.382 -0.081 0.847 1.778 0.645 0.000 0.087 0.000 0.093 0.059 0.976

 

[K_Bin_W]

Why Does India Lag So Far Behind China?

Indian mainstream media headlines suggest that Pakistan's current troubles are becoming a cause for celebration and smugness across the bord...

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Indian mainstream media headlines suggest that Pakistan's current troubles are becoming a cause for celebration and smugness across the border. Hindu Nationalists, in particular, are singing the praises of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and some Pakistani analysts have joined this chorus. This display of triumphalism and effusive praise of India beg the following questions: Why are Indians so obsessed with Pakistan? Why do Indians choose to compare themselves with much smaller Pakistan rather than to their peer China? Why does India lag so far behind China when the two countries are equal in terms of population and number of consumers, the main draw for investors worldwide? Obviously, comparison with China does not reflect well on Hindu Nationalists because it deflates their bubble.

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Comparing China and India GDPs. Source: Statistics Times

China was poorer than India until 1990 in terms of per capita income. In 2001, both nations were included in Goldman Sachs' BRICs group of 4 nations seen as most favored destinations for foreign direct investment. Since the end of the Cold War in 1990, the western nations, including the United States and western Europe, have supported India as a counterweight to China. But a comparison of the relative size of their economies reveals that China had a nominal GDP of US$17.7 trillion in 2021, while India’s was US$3.2 trillion. India invests only 30% of its GDP, compared with 50% for China; and 14% of India's economy comes from manufacturing, as opposed to 27% of China, according to the World Bank.

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Manufacturing Value Added as Percentage of GDP. Source: World Bank

A recent SCMP opinion piece by Sameed Basha titled "Is India ready to take China’s place in the global economy? That’s just wishful thinking" has summed it up well:

"Comparing China to India is like comparing apples with oranges, with the only similarity being their billion-plus populations.......China is transforming itself into a technologically driven economy in order to exceed the potential of the US. In contrast, India is attempting to position itself as a market-driven economy utilizing its large population as a manufacturing base to compete with China........In its 2022 Investment Climate Statement on India, the US State Department called the country “a challenging place to do business” and highlighted its protectionist measures, increased tariffs and an inability to adjust from “Indian standards” to international standards".
With growing Washington-Beijing tensions, the United States is trying to decouple its economy from China's. The Wall Street Journal has reported that the Biden administration is turning to India for help as the US works to shift critical technology supply chains away from China and other countries that it says use that technology to destabilize global security.
The US Commerce Department is actively promoting India Inc to become an alternative to China in the West's global supply chain. US Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo recently told Jim Cramer on CNBC’s “Mad Money” that she will visit India in March with a handful of U.S. CEOs to discuss an alliance between the two nations on manufacturing semiconductor chips. “It’s a large population. (A) lot of workers, skilled workers, English speakers, a democratic country, rule of law,” she said.
India's unsettled land border with China will most likely continue to be a source of growing tension that could easily escalate into a broader, more intense war, as New Delhi is seen by Beijing as aligning itself with Washington.
In a recent Op Ed in Global Times, considered a mouthpiece of the Beijing government, Professor Guo Bingyun has warned New Delhi that India "will be the biggest victim" of the US proxy war against China. Below is a quote from it:
"Inducing some countries to become US' proxies has been Washington's tactic to maintain its world hegemony since the end of WWII. It does not care about the gains and losses of these proxies. The Russia-Ukraine conflict is a proxy war instigated by the US. The US ignores Ukraine's ultimate fate, but by doing so, the US can realize the expansion of NATO, further control the EU, erode the strategic advantages of Western European countries in climate politics and safeguard the interests of US energy groups. It is killing four birds with one stone......If another armed conflict between China and India over the border issue breaks out, the US and its allies will be the biggest beneficiaries, while India will be the biggest victim. Since the Cold War, proxies have always been the biggest victims in the end".
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Why Does India Lag So Far Behind China?

Indian mainstream media headlines suggest that Pakistan's current troubles are becoming a cause for celebration and smugness across the bord...

www.southasiainvestor.com

You cannot trust India's numbers......PEROID... it never has tangible progress on the ground to back those numbers up. India either compete with itself or sub Saharan Africa at best.

 

[beijingwalker]

You cannot trust India's numbers......PEROID... it never has tangible progress on the ground to back those numbers up. India either compete with itself or sub Saharan Africa at best.

True, if those impressive growth numbers were true, how come India's global hunger index ranking slides year on year, they just don't add up.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Indians are

1) Dumb
2) Lazy
3) No work Ethics
4) Unclean and dirty
5) Unskilled
6) Lack Dsicipline
7) Fascists
8) Liars
9) Pagans
10) Ugly
11) Slaves

 

[beijingwalker]

Based on China;s past experience, economic growth and advancement of the solccial development level should be hand in hand, not move to different directions. this is something really odd about India.

 

[renhai]

That’s why I only did an economic comparison and didn’t get into these aspects.

Economically, China is doing well and is commendable. This has come at a huge cost to citizen rights. It’s citizens are under an autocrat and dictator which has its own cost.

Dig a little deeper and you get to know the REAL china and its economy,

That’s why I only did an economic comparison and didn’t get into these aspects.

Economically, China is doing well and is commendable. This has come at a huge cost to citizen rights. It’s citizens are under an autocrat and dictator which has its own cost.

This is the super power India

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[Jeeten Parikh]

It is not India behind China, It is China pulling ahead of India. How did that happen? 2 factors

1. US companies like Walmart providing huge orders and exploited slave labor in China
2. Chinese state supported companies simply stealing IP, designs and undercutting original inventors and designers

Both contributed significant economic and some knowledge advantage. This combined with the autocratic style of decisioning and execution efficiencies meant great infrastructure.

Meanwhile India has to inevitably and willingly bungle through things like freedom, human rights, fairplay etc etc

 

[S10]

I am trying to be fair as possible, even though I've made fun of India many times in the past.

Realistically, India is only lagging behind approximately 15 years. If you look at where China was around 2005 to 2010, that's where India is on the curve. India's development has been steady, if not spectacular like China's. As long as it's not compared to China, it's actually outpacing most developing countries. They will become the third largest economy in the world around mid 2030's. More importantly, they might have a chance to catch up with China due to China's demographic decline somewhere around 2060.

You can see an explosion of Indian wealth and middle class families immigrating to US/Canada in the past few years. It follows a similar trend like the how the 2005 to 2015 wave of Chinese immigration went.

 

[Skimming]

The princely states of India would have outpaced China. Human development along with the geographical economy took a great hit in 1947.

Princely states or not, India was better off free from British rule. I don't know about Pakistan. @Indus Pakistan has only praise to say about the British colonial rule. So it must be good for Pakistan.