While raising Indus, India must not forget China

[hussain0216]

If you are so much in love with the muslims of kashmir, then open your gates and take them in. Kashmir is going to be part of India until sun raise in east . coming to the muslim majority thing wait for few more yrs, as Indian economy starts growing the demography of kashmir will start changing too..

Muslims of Kashmir are in their own land and we will support them to get freedom as they fight their oppressors

 

[itachii]

Muslims of Kashmir are in their own land and we will support them to get freedom as they fight their oppressors

All the best ..

 

[Grevion]

Him being a hindu was the basic reason

The desires of a muslim majority state were disregarded

The rest of Pakistan got partition and the Kashmiris got occupation

But the maharaja wanted a separate state from India and Pakistan. A separate nation of Jammu and Kashmir. Why made him change his mind? What suddenly made him join India?

Surely it doesn't have anything to do with him being a Hindu and India being a Hindu majority. If that was the case then he wouldn't have demanded a separate nation in the first place. Why did he signed the instrument of accession? Why did the Indian army was rushed to Srinagar?

You should read up a bit of history from a neutral source if you really want to know the right answer to these questions.

 

[somebozo]

India is only carrying forward time honoured tradition of diplomacy by crying foul. By raising issue of dams on Brahmaputra or CPEC passing through Giligit-Baluchistan ,which India considers its own territory, India gets a justification of doing same in SCS.

These are age old pressurizing tactics. Truth is there in hydrology data for Brahmaputra which points to insignificance of discharge from barren Tibet plateau. I have seen pictures of Brahmaputra flowing through Tibet. At some points it is just inches deep and you could cross it without getting your ankles wet.

Diplomacy is 90% mind game and 10% content.

I will remember onwards that India is little american pet in SCS!

All the best ..

All the best to Jinnah as well...how long did it take for him to go from united India to divided India?

But the maharaja wanted a separate state from India and Pakistan. A separate nation of Jammu and Kashmir. Why made him change his mind? What suddenly made him join India?

Surely it doesn't have anything to do with him being a Hindu and India being a Hindu majority. If that was the case then he wouldn't have demanded a separate nation in the first place. Why did he signed the instrument of accession? Why did the Indian army was rushed to Srinagar?

You should read up a bit of history from a neutral source if you really want to know the right answer to these questions.

Buddy...there is no neutral source...you are telling me that there were historians with scrolls of papers following the maharajah everywhere?? All history is best of perception....

further on what authority did the maharaja represent his people?? Once he is made to retreat..it is a clear millitary and tactical win for Pakistan. How many Kashmiri came on streets to fight for maharaja??? How many of his own defended him? It was clear that maharaja was a sinking boat...and at the last moment he decided..if not me..the nobody...and made a hasty accession to India....

 

[Grevion]

Buddy...there is no neutral source...you are telling me that there were historians with scrolls of papers following the maharajah everywhere?? All history is best of perception....

There was lord Mountbatten. He was friends with Jinnah. There was the UN which invoked the ceasefire and set forward the conditions of plebiscite. What more neutral source do you want.

 

[somebozo]

There was lord Mountbatten. He was friends with Jinnah. There was the UN which invoked the ceasefire and set forward the conditions of plebiscite. What more neutral source do you want.

Nope..if memory serves me right...he was cuckold of Nehru Mistress....and therefore cannot be taken as a neutral source..because obviously the power lay somewhere else..


Can you show me any neutral source where people of Kashmir as asking for Indian assistance to host 700K security personal and riot control by firing pellet guns? Did J&K pariliment passed a resolution on permitting the presence of Indian trools and security personals on Kashmiri soil? Considering that India constitutionally treats Kashmir as a semi-dependency.. These incidents are relatively recent as opposed to going back 70 years on instrument of accession..

 

[hussain0216]

But the maharaja wanted a separate state from India and Pakistan. A separate nation of Jammu and Kashmir. Why made him change his mind? What suddenly made him join India?

Surely it doesn't have anything to do with him being a Hindu and India being a Hindu majority. If that was the case then he wouldn't have demanded a separate nation in the first place. Why did he signed the instrument of accession? Why did the Indian army was rushed to Srinagar?

You should read up a bit of history from a neutral source if you really want to know the right answer to these questions.

The Maharaja may have initially wanted a separate state, but the muslim majority was no longer willing to accept him as a king. When the writing was on the wall and ceding to Pakistan as per partition a certainty he signed accession to India.

The base problem being the muslim majority wanted the same right to get away from India and be part of a muslim majority Pakistan


Indian greed made it occupy a muslim majority state that wanted to get away fron hindus like the rest of us



All problems, deaths, chaos start with indian occupation
You blame us for helping Kashmiris who are our people but it is you who are occupying them

 

[Grevion]

Nope..if memory serves me right...he was cuckold of Nehru Mistress....and therefore cannot be taken as a neutral source..because obviously the power lay somewhere else..


Can you show me any neutral source where people of Kashmir as asking for Indian assistance to host 700K security personal and riot control by firing pellet guns? Did J&K pariliment passed a resolution on permitting the presence of Indian trools and security personals on Kashmiri soil? Considering that India constitutionally treats Kashmir as a semi-dependency.. These incidents are relatively recent as opposed to going back 70 years on instrument of accession..

The relationship between lady Mountbatten and Nehru is again something debatable on some other thread and it in no way affected the kashmir conflict back in 1947.

The Constitution adopted by the J&K legislative assembly (which represents the people of J&K) declares J&K as an integral part of India and Indian troops don't need special permission to operate from any part of India.

What happened 70 years back is the basic root of all the problems in Kashmir. One simply cannot ignore them.

The Maharaja may have initially wanted a separate state, but the muslim majority was no longer willing to accept him as a king. When the writing was on the wall and ceding to Pakistan as per partition a certainty he signed accession to India.

The base problem being the muslim majority wanted the same right to get away from India and be part of a muslim majority Pakistan


Indian greed made it occupy a muslim majority state that wanted to get away fron hindus like the rest of us



All problems, deaths, chaos start with indian occupation
You blame us for helping Kashmiris who are our people but it is you who are occupying them

The Maharaja wanted a separate state which was not accepted to Pakistan. Hence the brutal attack on the local kashmiris by the pashtun tribesmen took place which had the backing of Pakistan. Indian army moved in only after the accession was signed.

So you were the aggressors, the illegal occupiers. Stop blaming India for all the mess you created in kashmir. Neither India nor Pakistan had any right on Jammu and Kashmir but that was not acceptable to your leaders.

 

[itachii]

All the best to Jinnah as well...how long did it take for him to go from united India to divided India?

There is a chance of pakistanis forgetting jinnah but Indians would never forget him. He is one of the best thing to happen to India in recent times. At the same time we would make sure that there are no more jinnahs from India, not the same for pak though u never knw from where new Sheikh Mujibur Rahman is going rise.