Warsi: Minority of Pakistani men see white girls as 'fair game'

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Warsi: Minority of Pakistani men see white girls as 'fair game'
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A "small minority" of Pakistani men see white girls as "fair game", Baroness Warsi has said.

It is important to "speak out" and acknowledge the problem in order to tackle it, she added.

Lady Warsi, the daughter of Pakistani immigrants, is co-chair of the Conservative party.

Her comments follow the jailing of nine men, eight of whom were of Pakistani origin, in Rochdale for sexually abusing young girls.

Speaking to the London Evening Standard, Lady Warsi said: "There is a small minority of Pakistani men who believe that white girls are fair game.

"And we have to be prepared to say that. You can only start solving a problem if you acknowledge it first.

"This small minority who see women as second class citizens, and white women probably as third class citizens, are to be spoken out against."
'Truly dreadful'

Earlier in May, a group of Rochdale men was found guilty of a number of offences including including rape and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child, after exploiting vulnerable girls as young as 13.

David Cameron has described the case as "truly, truly dreadful".

Following the trial, Greater Manchester Police (GMP), which led the investigation, played down suggestions there was a racial element to the case.

GMP Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood said: "It just happens that in this particular area and time, the demographics were that these were Asian men."

And head of the Crown Prosecution Service in the North West, Nazir Afzal, said it was wrong to put race at the centre of the case.

But Baroness Warsi said she had decided to speak out after her father urged her to "show leadership" on the controversial issue.

She said it was important for communities to take responsibility for condemning this kind of behaviour.

"In mosque after mosque, this should be raised as an issue so that anybody remotely involved should start to feel that the community is turning on them,"

"Communities have a responsibility to stand up and say, 'This is wrong, this will not be tolerated'", she added.

A spokesman for the Conservative Party said Baroness Warsi's comments spoke for themselves and they did not want to elaborate on them.
'Easy meat'

BNP leader Nick Griffin, who is also an MEP for the area, has called for a public inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the Rochdale case.

He said his party's supporters had demonstrated throughout the trial to draw attention to the issues it raised.

Lady Warsi echoes comments made by Rochdale MP, Simon Danczuk who said it would be "daft" to ignore a "race element" to the case.

Trevor Phillips, chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said it was "fatuous" to deny racial and cultural factors.

But Labour MP and chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee Keith Vaz has said it is wrong to focus on a particular racial or religious group.

"There is no excuse for this kind of criminality, whoever is involved in it but I don't think it is a particular group of people, I don't think it's a particular race or religion," he said.

Last year former home secretary Jack Straw caused controversy when speaking about a similar case of abuse in Derby.

Mr Straw suggested some men of Pakistani origin see white girls as "easy meat".

"There is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men... who target vulnerable young white girls", he said.

Meanwhile, Samantha Roberts, a rape victim who has waived her right to anonymity, has written to David Cameron asking for a parliamentary inquiry into child exploitation.

Ms Roberts was attacked by 39-year-old Shakil Chowdhury and three other men in 2006 at the age of 12. He was later sentenced to six years in jail, but her other attackers have not been caught.

She told her local paper the Oldham Chronicle: "It's ridiculous that it has to take five girls, as in this case, for people to take notice.

"People have now realised that things like this do go on in places like Oldham and Rochdale. There are cultural problems."

Since the conviction of the nine men, further arrests have been made in a second sexual grooming inquiry in Rochdale.

BBC News - Warsi: Minority of Pakistani men see white girls as 'fair game'

 

[Safriz]

Yes they do..
Because white Girls are out there "Available" unlike Asian / Muslim girls...

But you got to see these people going after white teens...Druggies and alcoholics and weirdos....
Any man with his dignity intact wont go after such young girls...be him Muslim or any other.

 

[Don Jaguar]

Yes they do..
Because white Girls are out there "Available" unlike Asian / Muslim girls...

But you got to see these people going after white teens...Druggies and alcoholics and weirdos....
Any man with his dignity intact wont go after such young girls...be him Muslim or any other.

Safriz even after 6000 plus posts you cannot identify who is in a mode of trolling?

 

[fd24]

I find anything that this woman says difficult to swallow. A woman that "steals" someones husband gets no respect from me in the manner she did. She has never won an election of ANY sort and constantly talks nonsense.
She has no respect in the Asian community and is a mouth piece of Cameron. I suggest she gets her own house in order before advising the rest of us.

What knowledge has she on this subject - how does she know? She should realize the men involved in these hideous crimes are in a very small minority and she really doesnt know their mindset - nor is she qualified to say anything on the subject.

Did this wife know she was being divorced- and husband was to wed top Tory Muslim? | Mail Online

 

[Safriz]

Safriz even after 6000 plus posts you cannot identify who is in a mode of trolling?

This is the dozenth thread on the same matter,i know....

 

[Contract Killer]

Safriz even after 6000 plus posts you cannot identify who is in a mode of trolling?

When you do, its Magic.
When I do, its Tragic.

 

[Safriz]

I find anything that this woman says difficult to swallow. A woman that "steals" someones husband gets no respect from me in the manner she did. She has never won an election of ANY sort and constantly talks nonsense.
She has no respect in the Asian community and is a mouth piece of Cameron. I suggest she gets her own house in order before advising the rest of us.

Did this wife know she was being divorced- and husband was to wed top Tory Muslim? | Mail Online

She is a troll sat in the House of commons..Put it that way..
Hand picked by the Anti-Muslim,Anti immigrant conservative party to further degrade Muslims/Asians.
While UK economy is down in the gutter and further sinking...
Our dear Prime minister is wasting time in Muslim bashing....

 

[Contract Killer]

I find anything that this woman says difficult to swallow. A woman that "steals" someones husband gets no respect from me in the manner she did. She has never won an election of ANY sort and constantly talks nonsense.
She has no respect in the Asian community and is a mouth piece of Cameron. I suggest she gets her own house in order before advising the rest of us.

What knowledge has she on this subject - how does she know? She should realize the men involved in these hideous crimes are in a very small minority and she really doesnt know their mindset - nor is she qualified to say anything on the subject.

Did this wife know she was being divorced- and husband was to wed top Tory Muslim? | Mail Online

Question on her credibility....

What about this............
Jack Straw: Pakistani men prey on young white girls!!?! (07Jan11) - YouTube

 

[Safriz]

Question on her credibility....

What about this............

Jack straw is a grumpy old man who has no further use of his sorry life.....
His remarks did spark a debate and he blatantly failed to outline the need of good parenting so that white girls know who to fcuk and who not to fukc.
None of the girls in question were forcibly abducted..All of them came for sex out of their own wish.

While it does put the so called Pakistani/Muslim men in the wrong..They being adults should have shame and shouldnt go after such young girls..But the thing is these girls do anything for a bottle of booze.

 

[Contract Killer]

Jack straw is a grumpy old man who has no further use of his sorry life.....
His remarks did spark a debate and he blatantly failed to outline the need of good parenting so that white girls know who to fcuk and who not to fukc.
None of the girls in question were forcibly abducted..All of them came for sex out of their own wish.

While it does put the so called Pakistani/Muslim men in the wrong..They being adults should have shame and shouldnt go after such young girls..But the thing is these girls do anything for a bottle of booze.

So you mean to say, One goes to there country to earn their livelihood but Britishers shd change there way of living and culture as per the immigrants. Other wise immigrants will prey on them.

Is that you want to say?

 

[lem34]

Did this wife know she was being divorced - and husband was to wed top Tory Muslim?

By Jo Macfarlane and Alan Rimmer
UPDATED: 02:10, 13 September 2009


One of David Cameron’s rising frontbench stars was dragged into an embarrassing row last night over the treatment of the Muslim ex-wife of her new husband.

Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, the Shadow Community Cohesion Minister, was accused of ‘stealing’ the husband of a vulnerable Pakistani whose grasp of English is so poor that she did not realise she was being divorced.

Three weeks after Baroness Warsi’s marriage to Iftikhar Azam, members of his former wife’s family have claimed that she realised that Mr Azam had dissolved their 18-year marriage only when relatives read the decree nisi – which she had originally believed to be a domestic bill.
Massarat

Massarat Bi, 34, whose grasp of English is so poor that it is thought she did not realise she was being divorced

The allegations are particularly awkward for Mr Cameron because Baroness Warsi has been heavily promoted as the multicultural face of the new Tory Party.

A frequent guest on BBC1’s Question Time, she has been a high-profile champion of Muslim women’s rights and was recently voted the country’s most powerful female Muslim.

The marriage to Mr Azam, 36, her second, took place on August 20 in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, where the 38-year-old Baroness unsuccessfully fought the 2005 General Election. Shortly after the Election, Mr Cameron handed her a seat in the Lords and a key role in his policy team.

Mr Azam’s ex-wife, Massarat Bi, 34, who has four children with him, is said to be ‘devastated’ by his desertion.

Ghafar Azam, Iftikhar’s brother, told The Mail on Sunday that Massarat had been oblivious to the divorce process.

‘Massarat told me that she received papers through the post but she didn’t understand what they said,’ said Ghafar, a traffic policeman.

‘They were served at her home address and her son took them and said, “Mum, this is for you.” But she thought it was just a bill or something.

‘When more papers came through, she showed them to family and friends and they all told her not to worry about it. But when she showed them to me, I was shocked and told her they were divorce papers.’

Yesterday, Baroness Warsi’s first husband, Naeem, inflamed the row when he said that Mr Azam’s treatment of Massarat was ‘common knowledge’ in the local community.

‘It is well known that Iftikhar sent Massarat divorce papers but obviously her English is not good at all, so she found out about the divorce plans only after showing them to people,’ said Naeem. ‘But she doesn’t accept it and still believes he is her husband.

‘She’s very naive in lots of ways and needs lots of help to get through this. She’s been treated very badly and she’s stuck with four kids in a two-bedroom house. She tells people that Sayeeda has taken her husband away. The Muslim community here is against them both for what they have done.’
David Cameron David Cameron and Baroness Sayeeda Warsi

David Cameron and the Shadow Cohesion Minister Baroness Sayeeda Warsi (centre), meet women from the Savayra Foundation that aims to empower female divorcees

Last night, in a statement released through the Conservative Party, Mr Azam said: ‘My ex-wife Massarat was represented by solicitors in matrimonial proceedings.

‘At no stage have either Massarat or her solicitors raised this issue before these comments to the Press.

‘Massarat speaks and understands English. She has a job and has held a British driving licence for many years. My wife, Sayeeda, has campaigned long and hard for the rights and plight of Muslim women. I deeply admire and support her commitment to such causes. Neither my wife Sayeeda nor I would ever condone or support behaviour outlined in the allegations.’

When The Mail on Sunday first approached Massarat on Friday to ask her about the allegations, she invited our reporter in and told her through an interpreter that she was frightened to speak to us for fear of violent retribution from her children. She requested that if the reporter and interpreter were discovered by family members, they pretend to be doctors. No such subterfuge was necessary.

The only English words used by Massarat were ‘Come in’ when she invited our reporter into her home.

After approaching Baroness Warsi and Mr Azam for a comment yesterday, we were contacted by Arfan Azam, 17, Massarat’s eldest son, who accused our reporter of posing as a doctor and demanded she return to the house to hear the ‘truth’ from his mother.

When our reporter did so, she witnessed a distressing confrontation between the children and their mother.

After asking our reporter why she had posed as a doctor to gain entry to the house, Arfan said: ‘Who are you? Did you come round to our house yesterday? I need to see your identification and I want to know how come you told my mum you were a doctor when you came round. You have no right to come into someone’s house and ask questions about a story. Why did you come into the house?’


At this point, Massarat, looking pale and tearful, came into the room and began to cry. She was grabbed by the arms and pushed violently back through the door, which was then slammed behind her as the children screamed, ‘No! Go away!’

Her sobs could be heard from the hallway. Massarat again entered the room in tears and was forced down on to the sofa while the children shouted at her. She could be heard to implore, ‘Please, please’ – her only words in English – before our reporter was asked to leave. Further screaming could be heard as the door closed.

Baroness Warsi, who divorced Naeem – they have an 11-year-old daughter – after a 17-year arranged marriage, in December 2007, held a traditional Nikar wedding with Mr Azam at her parents’ detached sandstone property in Dewsbury on August 20.

According to Ghafar, his brother instigated divorce proceedings against Massarat in the summer of 2008, with the decree absolute coming through in December that year.

He said Massarat had regarded Baroness Warsi as her friend after she started visiting the house to talk to her husband, an executive with a food company, about politics during the 2005 Election campaign.

Ghafar claims that before Iftikhar’s divorce was finalised, he had travelled to Pakistan with Baroness Warsi and Mr Cameron in September 2008. Mr Cameron was holding talks with political leaders to boost the party’s foreign policy credentials.

Ghafar says Iftikhar and Warsi stayed together in the opulent Pearl Continental hotel in Islamabad, the only deluxe hotel in the capital, which boasts of its ‘sensuality, temptation and serenity’. He claims they also visited cricketer and politician Imran Khan at his farmhouse.
Iftikar Azam


‘Massarat says she didn’t realise what was happening. She still does not understand properly that they are actually divorced,’ said Ghafar. ‘By the time we got the decree absolute, there was nothing we could do. She still hopes he’ll come back.’

Legal experts say that it is possible for someone who does not understand English to be divorced without their knowledge.

Although it is ‘good practice’ for paperwork to be translated, it is not necessary under law. If a man or woman does not respond to a divorce petition within 14 days, the other party can apply for a decree nisi. There would not be any notification of the decree nisi.

Then, within six weeks, a decree absolute can be granted.

In Massarat’s case it was several weeks before she showed the decree nisi to Ghafar and by then, according to Ghafar, it was too late to prevent a decree absolute.

Baroness Warsi has set up a charity, the Savayra Foundation, to help disadvantaged Pakistani women and support them through divorces which can leave them poor and homeless.

On the Foundation’s website, Baroness Warsi says: ‘Community cohesion is how we all live together with ease, how we feel comfortable in our communities and the way in which we bind together as a nation.

As Shadow Minister for community cohesion and social action, I am working towards a Britain where everyone has equal opportunities to succeed and a valued place in society.’

Ghafar said Massarat was suffering from depression and was struggling to comprehend what had happened to her. ‘This Baroness has destroyed her, she really has,’ he said. ‘Just for a second, let’s assume nothing untoward was going on. Why then, would a Baroness marry someone who’s just been divorced for eight months?’

In stark contrast to Warsi’s middle-class upbringing, Massarat came from a simple farming family in rural Pakistan. She arrived in the UK in 1991 and was introduced to her first cousin, Iftikhar, then 18. Their families decided they should marry.

In accordance with tradition, Massarat, who was 16 and her family’s eldest daughter, was given the family’s ‘treasure trove’ of jewellery – said by relatives to be worth £20,000.

She had four children, three boys and a girl. Despite living in Dewsbury for 18 years, she speaks very little English and associates mainly with other Muslim Pakistani families.

She works part-time as a school dinner lady at Manorfield Infant and Nursery School in Batley, near Dewsbury, and also has a cleaning job.

She holds highly traditional views, and is believed to fear that her children’s relationship with Baroness Warsi will lead to her becoming estranged from them because of the Baroness’s more modern outlook.

Last night, Ghafar told The Mail on Sunday that Massarat was under ‘tremendous pressure’ from her family to deny everything. He said: ‘Her children have threatened to leave her and she is in total bits. She’s on the phone to me all the time in tears. It’s terrible what they’re doing to her.’

Baroness Warsi married Mr Azam in a traditional Nikar wedding. During a Nikar, an imam – a Muslim spiritual leader – first asks the groom to repeat three times that he agrees to the union and instructs him to sign an Islamic marriage certificate known as a Nikar nama. The ceremony is then repeated for the bride.

For the Nikar to be official, two witnesses must also sign the document. The couple are given a copy of the certificate and the imam retains the original.

Baroness Warsi’s Nikar, which was attended by only close family, was followed three hours later by a wedding celebration at a well-known Indian restaurant and function rooms called Nawaab in Manchester.

It was attended by more friends and family, including two of Iftikhar’s brothers, although Ghafar says he was not invited to attend and was not even aware of the ceremony until after it had taken place.

The pair then attended a register office to sign a wedding certificate and cement their union in English.

Andrea Dyer, Massarat’s solicitor at the Leeds-based firm Lee & Priestley, said: ‘My client cannot speak any English. I have not been instructed to contest the divorce and as far as I am aware it may not even be possible. We are working on securing a financial settlement from her divorce and arrangements concerning property and possessions.’

Read more: Did this wife know she was being divorced- and husband was to wed top Tory Muslim? | Mail Online

Sayeeda Warsi is a unsuccessful Solicitor who talks bull and does not represent the Pakistani or Muslim community. She has been chosen by Cameron who trots her out to say how inclusive tory's are.

 

[fd24]

^^^
I am questioning her credibility not the subject in hand.

There are a small minority of men that behave in this manner and it is indeed a shameful activity to be involved with.
Don't insinuate or suggest that this is a common occurrence in society because its not.
There are over 1 million Pakistanis in this country and i do not know 1 Pakistani that wouldn't condone the actions of these morons.
All law abiding citizens of the land do not tolerate this behavior. Using words such as "fair game" is distasteful and suggests its more widespread issue than it really is.
I know of Sayeeda Warsi previous history and i must say its an embarrassing list of failures and misdemeanors and when she makes statements suggesting "her father encourages her to speak out" are nothing but fabricated rubbish.

 

[Contract Killer]

Read more: Did this wife know she was being divorced- and husband was to wed top Tory Muslim? | Mail Online

Sayeeda Warsi is a unsuccessful Solicitor who talks bull and does not represent the Pakistani or Muslim community. She has been chosen by Cameron who trots her out to say how inclusive tory's are.

Post no. 8 for you.

 

[Safriz]

So you mean to say, One goes to there country to earn their livelihood but Britishers shd change there way of living and culture as per the immigrants. Other wise immigrants will prey on them.

Is that you want to say?

ok now you are trolling..
you have no background knowledge on the matter and making random comments..
First educate yourself about the matter then we can talk.

 

[Contract Killer]

ok now you are trolling..
you have no background knowledge on the matter and making random comments..
First educate yourself about the matter then we can talk.

You need to justify i am wrong, in what i said.

Don't divert the topic by showing yourself more educated & knowledgeable then me.