"U.S. Has Plan to Secure Pakistan Nukes if Country Falls to Taliban"

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    U.S. Has Plan to Secure Pakistan Nukes if Country Falls to Taliban

    The United States has a detailed plan for infiltrating Pakistan and securing its mobile arsenal of nuclear warheads if it appears the country is about to fall under the control of the Taliban, Al Qaeda or other Islamic extremists.

    American intelligence sources say the operation would be conducted by Joint Special Operations Command, the super-secret commando unit headquartered at Fort Bragg, N.C.

    JSOC is the military's chief terrorists hunting squad and has units now operating in Afghanistan on Pakistan's western border. But a secondary mission is to secure foreign nuclear arsenals -- a role for which JSOC operatives have trained in Nevada.

    The mission has taken on added importance in recent months, as Islamic extremists have taken territory close to the capital of Islamabad and could destabilize Pakistan's shaky democracy.

    "We have plans to secure them ourselves if things get out of hand," said a U.S. intelligence source who has deployed to Afghanistan. "That is a big secondary mission for JSOC in Afghanistan."

    The source said JSOC has been updating its mission plan for the day President Obama gives the order to infiltrate Pakistan.

    "Small units could seize them, disable them and then centralize them in a secure location," the source said.

    A secret Defense Intelligence Agency document first disclosed in 2004 said Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal of 35 weapons. The document said it plans to more than double the arsenal by 2020.

    A Pakistani official said the U.S. and his country have had an understanding that if either Usama bin Laden, or his deputy, Ayman Zawahiri, is located, American troops and air strikes may be used inside borders to capture or kill them.

    What makes the Pakistan mission especially difficult is that the military has its missiles on Soviet-style mobile launchers and rail lines. U.S. intelligence agencies, using satellite photos and communication intercepts, is constantly monitoring their whereabouts. Other warheads are kept in storage. U.S. technical experts have visited Pakistan to advise the government on how to maintain and protect its arsenal.

    Also, there are rogue elements inside Pakistan's military and intelligence service who could quickly side with the extremists and make JSOC's mission all the more difficult.

    "It's relatively easy to track rail-mounted ones with satellites," said the intelligence source. "Truck- mounted are more difficult. However, they are all relatively close to the capital in areas that the government firmly controls so we don't have to look too far."

    JSOC is made up of three main elements: Army Delta Force, Navy SEALs and a high-tech special intelligence unit known as Task Force Orange. JSOC was instrumental in Iraq in finding and killing Abu Musab Zarqawi, the deadly and most prominent Al Qaeda leader in the Middle East.

    There is speculation in the intelligence community that a secondary reason for Army Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal being named the next commander in Afghanistan is that he headed JSOC in 2006-08 and is read-in on its contingency missions in Pakistan.

    Adm. Michael Mullen, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman, this month said that based on the information he has seen Pakistan's nuclear warheads are safe.

    "I remain comfortable that the nuclear weapons in Pakistan are secure, that the Pakistani leadership and in particular the military is very focused on this," he said. "We the United States have invested fairly significantly over the last three years, to work with them, to improve that security. And we're satisfied, very satisfied with that progress. We will continue to do that. And we all recognize obviously the worst downside of -- with respect to Pakistan is that those nuclear weapons come under the control of terrorists. ":tup:

    U.S. Has Plan to Secure Pakistan Nukes if Country Falls to Taliban - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com
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    Seizing Pakistani nukes...

    Somehow this concept seems to assume that Pakistan will become a chaos ridden nation in which some Hollywood type dudes will ride in and 'secure the nukes'. This is a nation that has built upwards of 50 nukes and created the infrastructure for their delivery; you think Seals/ Delta etc can just waltz in and 'secure' all of them?

    This does not pass the smell test. Launching one operation inside a foreign country is fraught with risk. Launching several - as I have read these nukes are scattered all over the country - and expecting success of any kind whatsoever is impossible, IMO. And the Pakistani army is hardly a collection of boy scouts who will look the other way when foreign nationals are securing the nukes.

    And what are you going to do about the scientists, the whole organization that has built this capability? Take away the nukes, you still have the knowledge bank behind it, which will be as dangerous if not more.

    There's no 'securing the nukes' through force, IMO.
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    This is not James Bond, and the taliban lack the mental capacity to do such a thing. The very notion that pakistan will be overrun by the taliban is laughable.

    for example - 70% of the population support the military action, and even more hate the taliban.

    I hope pakistan sheds all its blood before there is any hope of it giving up it's nukes.
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    How many times will the same horn be blown. Now specially when PA has taken on Talibs, the question should be put to rest once and for all. Conducting exercises for an emergency scenario does not mean anything. It is reserved for just that - an emergency. Yes if India was to be taken over by Hindu Extremists like Sri Ram Sene, I'd Happily assist any troop in getting hold of those installation in India. Fox News is just playing to the gallery and unnamed sources have also told that US considers that Somalia will be next economic superpower (No offence to Sudan plz).

    Is Taliban are taking over Pakistan then be prepared for OBL as the next US president. That also has almost the same probability. Talibans could not even control the whole of Afghanistan when they had all the backings from Pakistan, how are they supposedly taking over Pakistan themselves? I am not underestimating Talibans, Even after the offensive, their ability to strike at Key Army and civilian location is a major probability and I don't think they will take all this lying down. They have a very high capacity to cause damage any mayhem but taking over a country without external support is not something even they would realistically dream of. These are my two cents you can choose to agree or disagree with that.

    Peace.
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    Thank goodness and we must all be proud that we have members who are beyond the silly "tu tu, main main" and have the respect of the majority of members, regardless of flag - we value them for the sense they make.
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    does anybody see that this is foxnews. not the most reliable people when it comes to nukes. if i see it in the NYT or WSJ then i will beleive it.
    even if it is true, does anybody here think that securing our nukes will be that easy. if they had so much information about our nukes why would there be so much hu and cry from the US government about there security.
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    Given the nature of the way Pakistan stores it's nukes, namely the conventional explosive triggers in separate locations to the nuclear material, it's extremely unlikely that the scenarios of some rogue PA elements assembling them and giving them to the Talibunnies would play out.
    Also given China's heavy involvement in the development of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, it's far more likely they'd know of the component locations and be just as motivated to secure the components in the unlikely advent of the PA loosing control over them.
    It's time to put this particular time-worn conspiracy propaganda to bed.
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    Our nukes are secure its just another bs article ! funny as hell.
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    India thinks Pak N-sites already in radical hands: Report

    16 May 2009, 0120 hrs IST, Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN



    WASHINGTON: India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has told President Obama that nuclear sites in Pakistan's restive frontier province are "already
    partly" in the hands of Islamic extremists, an Israeli journal has said, amid considerable anxiety among US pundits here over Washington's confidence in the security of the troubled nation's nuclear arsenal.

    Claims about the high-level exchange between New Delhi and Washington were made in the Debka, a journal said to have close ties with Israeli intelligence, under the headline "Singh warns Obama: Pakistan is lost." The brief story said the Indian prime minister had named Pakistani nuclear sites in the areas which were Taliban-Qaida strongholds and said the sites are already partly in the hands of "Muslim extremists." A sub-head to the story said "India gets ready for a Taliban-ruled nuclear neighbor."

    There was no official word from either Washington or New Delhi about the exchanges, with India in the throes of an election and US winding down for the weekend. But US experts have been greatly perturbed in recent days about what they say is Washington's misplaced confidence in, and lackadaisical approach towards, Pakistan's nuclear assets. The disquiet comes amid reports that Pakistan is ramping up its nuclear arsenal even as the rest of the world is scaling it down.

    "It is quite disturbing that the administration is allowing Pakistan to quantitatively and qualitatively step up production of fissile material without as much as a public reproach," Robert Windrem, a visiting scholar with the Center for Law and Security in New York University and an expert on South Asia nuclear issues told ToI in an interview on Thursday. "Iraq and Iran did not get a similar concessions... and Pakistan has a much worse record of proliferation and security breaches than any other country in the world."

    Windrem, a former producer with NBC whose book "Critical Mass" was among the first to red flag Islamabad's proliferation record going back to the 1980s, referred to recent reports and satellite images showing Pakistan building two large new plutonium production reactors in Khushab, which experts say could lead to improvements in the quantity and quality of the country's nuclear arsenal. The reactors had nothing to do with power-production' they are weapons-specific, and are being built with resources who diversion is enabled by the billions of dollars the US is giving to Pakistan as aid, he said.

    Windrem also pointed out that Khushab's former director, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood met with Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and offered a nuclear weapons tutorial around an Afghanistan campfire, as attested by the former CIA Director George Tenet in his memoir "At the Center of the Storm." Yet successive US administrations had adopted an attitude of benign neglect towards Pakistan's nuclear program and its expansion at a time the country was in growing ferment and under siege within from Islamic extremists.

    US officials, going up to the President himself, have repeatedly said in public that they have confidence the Pakistani nuclear arsenal will not fall into the hands of Islamic extremists, and they have Islamabad's assurances to this effect. But scholars like Windrem fear Pakistan's nuclear program may already be infected with the virus of radicalism from within, as demonstrated by the Sultan Bashiruddin incident.


    India thinks Pak N-sites already in radical hands: Report - US - World - The Times of India
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    Yup US has lots of plan's. :disagree: but considering the offensive which PA has take against taliban, i dont thing that pakistan will fall. It has seen lots of bad time in past and have stood the test of time. But also not to forget to completely eliminate this menis of taliban so that they can never raise their heads again, which would be good for the entire region.
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    Hellfire, I stopped reading right there. Debka. FFS.
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    One of the funnier things I have read in the past few days. Thanks for the laughs man (no sarcasm intended).
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    so 5-8,000 taliban are going to overrun pakistan by defeating the PA/PAF/FC/PRangers/Police etc and secure the nukes! someone is smoking some real good stuff!
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    Possibly the same stuff that is being grown in Afghanistan right now. And I want some of it myself. Seems quite high grade.:rofl:
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    ultimate day maker:woot:

    I mean ...... I thought we could have some semblance of raionality .... this is ultimate low!!!!
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