SU-30 fighter pilots focusing on beyond visual range combat

[Chanakyaa]

IGNORE THE TROLLS !!

 

[Basel]

if u are using a stand off munations for ages and just yesterday your enemy also gets the same all your edge over him is practicalli nullified until you have qwalitative and qwuantitative edge over him backed by a very robust supply/resupply line

now tell do you have that ?

take the case of kargil war we dint had WLRs or high altitute gear or the sphesticated and light yet very leathel small arms and we paid a very very heavy price for that in initial stages and got bettre off pakistani army sitting at hights onli thanks to big arty guns and pricission bombing (thanks to israelies for there expertise in making dump bombs PGMs)

now what we learned from kargil war in effect kick started an entire overhaul of wepons and tacticks of owr armed forces

now this thread is about the same very long range stand off munation capability and bhramos is just one of them and thats all that can be said about it .... cheers mate


well diffrent situations need diffrent answers and this thread is about Su-30MKIs air to gournd BVR capability ...... right cheers mate

PAF has been Jointly Developing and deploying Standoff since 90s and tech is very advance, now they have standoff munitions of various types and ranges and nearly all made in Pakistan now. From H-2/4 guided glided bombs to subsonic / supersonic missile PAF have come a long way and work in this department never stops.

I m surprised that IAF did not utilized MKIs potential in this department to full extent till now.

 

[GURU DUTT]

PAF has been Jointly Developing and deploying Standoff since 90s and tech is very advance, now they have standoff munitions of various types and ranges and nearly all made in Pakistan now. From H-2/4 guided glided bombs to subsonic / supersonic missile PAF have come a long way and work in this department never stops.

I m surprised that IAF did not utilized MKIs potential in this department to full extent till now.

its great that PAF has so many standoff range munations ... congrats again

but my humble request is dont worry too much about what we have developed or collected in past years .... sorry but i cant give you answer in the way you want me too

but for quenching your curiosity MKI has both superior hardware & softwares + a very large and very very leathel arsenell of air to ground stand off munations (smart/PGMs/LGBs and ALCMs & SDBs of all shapes , sizes and combat ranges )

 

[Abingdonboy]

IAF have MKIs since 90s and they are practicing those tactics now in 2015, wow how professional IAF is. PAF's old M-3s pilots are master of those since long, as they were the first to get standoff weapons in PAF.

Is this really what you think? The IAF, a well respected airforce around the world, has only now started conducting BVR training on its MKIs?


Remember who brought BVRs into South Asia....

I feel bad for indian fanboys.

PAF has superiority in range and destruction with Ra'ad nuclear capable cruise missile. And then PAF has superiority in speed with CM-400AKG...which reaches MACH 4 to MACH 5 in terminal stages.

Poor, junkard airforce of india. Always trying to catch up to the superior, more professional force in the region.

No wonder PAF humiliated iaf again, and again, and again in previous confrontations.

@Oscar @MilSpec

I m surprised that IAF did not utilized MKIs potential in this department to full extent till now.

The primary task of the MKI in IAF service is "Air dominance" and hence this has been the focus of the majority of training and doctrine formulation with A2G as a secondary mission. Now the IAF is looking to make all their platforms less specialised and with greater multi-role capabilities (M2K upgrades include a considerable A2A comment and the once exclusively-A2A MiG-29 has had significant A2G capabilities added with the UPG upgrade).

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

What if targets are beyond 300km? What platform would you use to hit them? You could use a ground launch vehicle, but its slow to get into position to hit the targets and it may not reach it because of the terrain where aircraft is more flexible and can go further.

Nirbhay LACM.Pakistan doesn't have strategic depth,so most of the vital targets are within 300 km range.

 

[NKVD]

And they argue that its better than 120-C5.

Most Advanced Aim-120 C7 can best Lock Target Below 80 Km or Less in Today's Modern DRFM ,EW Scenarios.No one Can Define True NEZ of Missile Today
All Project Ranges are All Market Tactics to Sell there Product Best Longdistance BVR kill Defined is of 60 Km Not more than That.

One of the beauty of Oscar Post is Its a Mockery on Fanboys Like you on Both Sides

lol, indians are getting excited for something that PAF already has in works for years now.

Our Ra'ad nuclear cruise missile can strike target within 350km deep inside india

Ra'ad is Subsonic Missile Pray for our Newly Advanced LRSAM/Barak-8.

Newer Block's Upgrade of Brahmos have Extended Range upto 500 Km

The integration of the navigation systems from Kh-555 will turn BrahMos, a supersonic cruise missile, into a "super-rocket" with almost a sub-strategic capability above its normal tactical range, capable of hitting targets over 180-300 miles (300-500 km), from sea, land and air launchers, and capable of being armed with a nuclear warhead, the source said.

Read more: India Modifies Brahmos Missile With New Nav System

 

[Basel]

Is this really what you think? The IAF, a well respected airforce around the world, has only now started conducting BVR training on its MKIs?


Remember who brought BVRs into South Asia....


@Oscar @MilSpec


The primary task of the MKI in IAF service is "Air dominance" and hence this has been the focus of the majority of training and doctrine formulation with A2G as a secondary mission. Now the IAF is looking to make all their platforms less specialised and with greater multi-role capabilities (M2K upgrades include a considerable A2A comment and the once exclusively-A2A MiG-29 has had significant A2G capabilities added with the UPG upgrade).

I was not talking about BVR missiles, I was talking about A2G standoff munitions.

its great that PAF has so many standoff range munations ... congrats again

but my humble request is dont worry too much about what we have developed or collected in past years .... sorry but i cant give you answer in the way you want me too

but for quenching your curiosity MKI has both superior hardware & softwares + a very large and very very leathel arsenell of air to ground stand off munations (smart/PGMs/LGBs and ALCMs & SDBs of all shapes , sizes and combat ranges )

The problem with Pakistan is advance platform not advance munition, we have make in Pakistan what you mention above, JF-17 is right bird for PAF workhorse because of it.

 

[GURU DUTT]

I was not talking about BVR missiles, I was talking about A2G standoff munitions.



The problem with Pakistan is advance platform not advance munition, we have make in Pakistan what you mention above, JF-17 is right bird for PAF workhorse because of it.

good luck with it then ... cheers mate

 

[SipahSalar]

About time they caught up with the rest of the world, albeit 30 years late.

 

[Basel]

Most Advanced Aim-120 C7 can best Lock Target Below 80 Km or Less in Today's Modern DRFM ,EW Scenarios.No one Can Define True NEZ of Missile Today
All Project Ranges are All Market Tactics to Sell there Product Best Longdistance BVR kill Defined is of 60 Km Not more than That.

One of the beauty of Oscar Post is Its a Mockery on Fanboys Like you on Both Sides

Ra'ad is Subsonic Missile Pray for our Newly Advanced LRSAM/Barak-8.

Newer Block's Upgrade of Brahmos have Extended Range upto 500 Km

The integration of the navigation systems from Kh-555 will turn BrahMos, a supersonic cruise missile, into a "super-rocket" with almost a sub-strategic capability above its normal tactical range, capable of hitting targets over 180-300 miles (300-500 km), from sea, land and air launchers, and capable of being armed with a nuclear warhead, the source said.

Read more: India Modifies Brahmos Missile With New Nav System

Being Subsonic does not mean its easy to intercept, subsonic missiles are very hard to detect and Ra' ad is designed to be stealthy, all missiles have different range with different flight profile and load, same is for Brahms and Ra' ad.

@gambit will like your opinion on first paragraph of quoted post.

good luck with it then ... cheers mate

Thx, because with AESA radar, CFTs and all new goodies planed for it will make it so potent that in air defence role it will be on par with every jet IAF can through at PAF leaving 5th gen.

 

[NKVD]

Being Subsonic does not mean its easy to intercept, subsonic missiles are very hard to detect and Ra' ad is designed to be stealthy, all missiles have different range with different flight profile and load, same is for Brahms and Ra' ad.

Barak-8 is Also Designed For Special Purposes Most Importantly Targeting Supersonic Cruise Missiles on Principle of Aster Series or US RIM-161 SM-2/3.So the Same Principle Are Also Applied on SAMs Also that's why Modern countries Spends So much on these Projects.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Thx, because with AESA radar, CFTs and all new goodies planed for it will make it so potent that in air defence role it will be on par with every jet IAF can through at PAF leaving 5th gen.

ohh god ..... IAF is doomed and im so scarred

 

[Basel]

Barak-8 is Also Designed For Special Purposes Most Importantly Targeting Supersonic Cruise Missiles on Principle of Aster Series.So the Same Principle Are Also Applied on SAMs Also that's why Modern countries Spends So much on these Projects.

All countries develop / purchase weapons as per their doctrine and that doctrine is based on current and future capabilities of enemy, some things look great on paper but war don't depend just on weapons used, other factors also matters in war too.

ohh god ..... IAF is doomed and im so scarred

Why you Indians send your mighty IAF for strikes in Pakistan? What are you afraid of? Your top brass knows that they are not US and Pakistan is no Iraq/Afghanistan.

 

[NKVD]

All countries develop / purchase weapons as per their doctrine and that doctrine is based on current and future capabilities of enemy, some things look great on paper but war don't depend just on weapons used, other factors also matters in war too.

The Statement is Two sided Friend.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

About time they caught up with the rest of the world, albeit 30 years late.

IAF has been using BVRs way before PAF.Remember kargil and Mig-29s ?

 

[Windjammer]

IAF has been using BVRs way before PAF.Remember kargil and Mig-29s ?

Wonder how many air arms around the globe go on National TV to boast about an exercise or give press statements on their every action.....and then having to retract their tall claims.