Pakistan Railways, Indian Railways

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  1. shahnaz
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    Our Government is trying hard to improve the condition of the masses and in this connection hardly any day goes by when a Minister or a senior government servant is not proving success in it showing figure work. Last night the Prime Minister with a Pakistani TV channel was doing the same. This Government though like previous governments of past 15 years but more emphatically in each Budget Speech invariably says there would be no supplementary tax or budget this year. But this has become a real joke. This year even start of Budget price of certain items increasd. SBP levies no taxes/charges on 32 services including Closing of a Bank Account. These all steps of course are for welfare of we the ordinary masses as due to these levies of different type government income increase which in return increase figure work showing achievements and improving GDP.

    Three days back in order to improve the general condition of railway employees and in particular to afford more education to their children, fee in railway run schools was increased from Rs. 30 to Rs. 70/-. Yesterday I saw on Indian TV the railways there has announced 70% bonus to its employees.
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    Here are some more details about indian railways prepared by KPMG.

    http://www.in.kpmg.com/pdf/Railway_Conf.pdf

    IR has started making profit so it can give more to employees. IR is not in perfect shape but it is getting better, thanks for challange from low cost airlines.:cheers:
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    Let me get this straight railway employees are getting subsidized education even though for years railways is been losing money and you are complaining about the fact that you have to pay 40rupees a month more.

    you wanna compare Pakistan railways to Indian railways for the benefit part but not where Indian railways is actually turning profits compare to Pakistan railways always losing money year after year.

    this is exactly whats wrong with Pakistan crown corporations want want want.

    let me burst your bubble if railways was privatized it will turn billions/year in profits.i have yet to see any rail car being empty yet our railways lose money regardless.wonder who is taking home those billions i no for sure its not the tax payers.

    so as far as iam concerned there should be a lot more increases passed on to employees to reduce the losses in some cases these employees of crown corporations should be charged monthly to work there as the money they make above the pay is huge.
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    Btw - let me tell you ..Indian Railways was never always profitable, the things turned around in 2003-4 onwards ..and an Indian politician was main person behind the change..He said it is common sense.

    For your reading:

    In 2001, when the Rakesh Mohan committee forecast that the railways would be in red to the tune of Rs61,000 crore by 2015, its doom seemed inevitable. But, the new team at the railway ministry in 2004 had different ideas.

    Success mantra

    What they did is what B-schools teach. They analysed various operations of the railways and also the competition. Ideas for improvement were taken from officers at various levels and also from best practices abroad. They then came up with the success mantra: running heavier, longer and faster trains. For this, they took many initiatives such as increasing axle load for goods train, adding more coaches to passenger trains, market-oriented tariffs, reducing wagon turnaround time, extending platforms to match length of trains, key freight incentive schemes and passenger-profile management. They were to a great extent successful in bringing back the business they had lost to road and air.

    Some critics have pointed safety concerns, which is about the damage an overloaded train can cause to the tracks. Already there have been cases of track failure. But, with a proactive management this can be overcome. What is more important is that Indian Railways is now the second most profitable public sector venture of the country.

    Few people know that the railways was not the first preference of Prasad, who wanted the home portfolio. But, once he got the new responsibility, he made up his mind to turn it around. He brought in Sudhir Kumar as his officer on special duty (OSD). This choice was critical. Unlike many Indian Administrative Service officers who don’t care to learn and grow after clearing the civil services exam, Sudhir Kumar constantly updated himself by attending various management programmes at the Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad (IIM-A) and the Administrative Staff College of India in Hyderabad. There he honed his management skills.

    Funding research

    After becoming Prasad’s OSD, he maintained his linkage with IIM-A. The railways funded IIMA to do research and develop a case about its turnaround and also get suggestions for improvement.

    I was amazed by media reports that raised aspersions about this sponsored research. Wasn’t lack of this kind of industry-institute interface bemoaned by academicians? How many Indian companies have taken this kind of initiative to develop cases by sharing their data with B-schools, let alone providing funding? Indian Railways has also set an example by setting a chair in IIM-A, which will enable researchers to study its infrastructure developmental plans and future prospects. They have also given consultancy projects to other top IIMs.

    Management education

    The rail ministry is convinced of the impact of good management education on the efficiency and growth of the railways. To give a global perspective and adequate training, the ministry has mandated that senior members of the staff get the best of learning from top global B-schools such as New York University’s Stern School of Business, Insead campuses in France and Singapore, and HEC Paris. They also are talking to Wharton, the Harvard Business School and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Sloan School of Business, for advanced management programmes, which will be tailor-made for the railways.

    Image booster

    Though most of the ideas for transforming the railways did not originate from him, Prasad deserves his share of credit. Besides selecting right officials, he also empowered them to try out new ideas and made sure that there are no impediments in their functioning.

    No doubt, the railway turnaround is a big image and morale booster for Prasad. But, it is also a lesson for our politicians that if they can’t be completely incorruptible, they can at least provide leadership simply by leveraging India’s intellectual capital.

    The b-school influence on Indian Railways - Economy and Politics - livemint.com
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    Its not even fair to compare Indian railway with Pakistan railway.Indian railway is way way ahead of us wether it comesto tech or manpower, infact Indian railway employees more than any other organization in Indian (Correct me if I am wrong). From chairman to porters are all corrupt from neckto toes in Pak railways. This organization would never become a profotable org. until or unless we are faithfull towards it and this is one hell of a big question mark. My two pennies.
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    I would like to see the trains that will run inside of karachi!!
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    "Indian Railways has one of the largest and busiest rail networks in the world, transporting over 18 million passengers and more than 2 million tonnes of freight daily. It is the world's largest commercial or utility employer, with more than 1.4 million employees.

    The railways reported a cash surplus of INR 9000 cr in 2005, INR 14000 cr in 2006, INR 20,000 cr in 2007 and INR 25,000 cr for the 2007-2008 fiscal year."

    Indian Railways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Why is Pakistan not to develop high-speed railway?China's railway industry on Speed of 200 km-350km has already matured and could be applied in Pakistan
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    I think Railways are far more important in South Asia than any place, especially in India and Pakistan.
    If Projects are taken seriously as very rightly pointed by the members, it will help the common man, who can not generally own a car .. and use it.

    A fine example Though run my DMRC, the Delhi Metro is a favourite even for the people from the corporate world.

    I see no reason why, pak cannot have one, it will really make life of people eaisier.
    Even in India, we need Metros in atleast half a dozen other cities as well.

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    Show some dollars to our corrupt leaders and they will definitely respomd to you.
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    Based on siemens technology but we are going to sell it to USA.That really angers those europeans
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    Railways in Pakistan can get better.... Its all about management.
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    are these kinds of trains can be use on existing railway track or would we require special track for this ???????
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    In china,these kinds of trains can be used on existing railway track ,but Need to tansform,then Speed can be increased to 200 km / h,Only a newly built high-speed railway, the speed can reach 250km/h-380km/h.
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