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Pakistan Navy P-3C Orion Thread

a fleet of 9 P-3s is adequate to patrol our coast-line.

We're talking about an aircraft with 4× under-wing, 4× under-wingroot pylon stations and an internal bomb bay with a total capacity of up to 9,100 kg, or 5,040 kg with maximum fuel load and a maximum range of 3,800 km, or 2,500km with three hours on station.

Roles for additional machines:
> additional AEW&C? (equipped with Hawkeye 2000 AEW system)
> Elint? (like EP-3) or ES-3 Shadow / Alladin Viking conversion for overland surveillance and Elint missions / Grey Wolf Viking S-Stars
> Littoral/Landattack? i.e. armed with SLAM, SLAM-ER or conceptually similar C-802KD / KD-88
> Tanker/transport? (like L-188 Passenger-Freight version, with aerial refuelling capability added)
> EW/Jammer aircraft, a bigger stand-off EA-6B
> gunship 'Spooky jr', an AC-130 'light'
 
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This picture showing IN on the plane .. strange :undecided:

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Might be PS-ed onto an existing pic by an Indian fan, or promotional material
See here: http://www.airbusmilitary.com/Surveillance/A319.aspx

Note Airbus Military offers P3 Orion modernization ;-) Used by Brazil and Spain
http://www.airbusmilitary.com/Surveillance/P3Modernisation.aspx
 
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The A319 MPA is a long range maritime patrol and ASW aircraft developed by Airbus Military. The aircraft can be deployed in anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare, intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance missions.

The low-altitude loiter or search capability, exceeding range, endurance and fast transit speed make the A319 the best maritime patrol aircraft in its range.

Design

The A319 MPA is a derivative of the Airbus A319 passenger aircraft. The airframe is made of corrosion resistant lightweight composite materials for lower fuel consumption.

Designed with larger access doors, the aircraft allows easier component replacement. The centralised maintenance system monitors the key aircraft components and automatically transfers anomalies to the aircraft base. The A319 MPA comes with an option for universal aerial refuelling receptacle slipway installation (UARRSI) for aerial refuelling.

The 3.7m long fuselage cross-section allows setting up of a spacious cabin housing six operator consoles, a galley, a toilet, electronic equipment racks and sonobuoy storage. The cabin has enough space to incorporate operator areas and a rest area for long endurance missions. The lower deck has been shaped to provide optimum space to house a bomb-bay and additional fuel tanks for extended range and endurance.

A319 MPA missions

The A319 MPA is equipped for classical fighting roles and new operations. In addition to maritime patrol roles, the aircraft can conduct joint operations with other units and international and coalition forces.

Flight deck

"The A319 MPA is equipped for classical fighting roles and new operations."The flight deck is installed with six multi-functional displays. A head-up display (HUD) is also provided to increase pilot situational awareness during approach and landing operations.

The cockpit's ergonomic design allows an unrestricted view of instruments and features two side stick controllers of the fly-by-wire system. The fly-by-wire flight control system reduces the pilot workload by providing flight envelope protection and responsive flight controls.

It also provides precise handling during turbulence. The onboard information terminal (OIT) transfers situational and sensor information to crew members. It also enhances crew coordination and mission assessment.

Weapon systems

The A319 MPA is fitted with anti-submarine and anti-surface weapon systems. The aircraft can carry a variety of weapons internally and on wing-pylons. The internal bomb-bay can house eight weapon stations for torpedoes, depth charges, mines and other ASW weaponry. Four under-wing points can hold missiles to attack naval or land-based targets.

Sensors / radars

The open architecture mission system of A319 MPA integrates a set of multi-mission sensors. The sensors coupled with modern communication systems enable the aircraft to conduct operations in a network centric operations (NCO) environment.

The complete suite of ASW sensors tracks and identifies under sea and surface targets.

The mission systems include a surveillance radar, IFF interrogator, IR/EO turret, acoustic system and magnetic anomaly detector (MAD).

Navigation and communication

The A319 MPA features fully integrated tactical system (FITS), a system successfully installed on the Airbus MPA family and on the P-3 Orion.

"The open architecture mission system of A319 MPA integrates a set of multi-mission sensors."FITS integrates aircraft communication and datalink systems.

Six operator consoles installed in the cabin provide better situational awareness to conduct patrol and anti-submarine operations at low altitudes.

The aircraft can also be fitted with Link 11/22, Link 16, TCDL or enhanced message datalink systems to provide data, picture and video exchange with the network.

The communications equipment onboard allows dissemination of time-critical intelligence based on the information gathered and analysed during the mission.

The aircraft can be operated in a network including helicopters and unmanned platforms.

Countermeasures

The self-protection suite includes radar and missile warning systems. It is fully integrated with a decoy dispenser. The directed infrared countermeasures (DIRCM) system can be optionally fitted to protect against IR-guided missiles. An electronic support measures (ESM) system is also installed onboard.

Engine

The A319 MPA is powered by two IAE V2527M-A5 or CFM56-5B7 engines providing a thrust of 26,500lbf or 27,000lbf. The twin-turbofan configuration provides a maximum speed of Mach 0.82.

this is another good anti submarine warefare plane with latest technology if we can get 4 of these i think we should have enough to answer growing indian submarine Fleet
 
The Y-8X or Y-8 MPA is a four-engine turboprop maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) in service with the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). It is a land-based maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft, based on the Y-8 turboprop transport aircraft. The aircraft was developed and built by Shaanxi Aircraft Industry Corporation, a subsidiary of AVIC 1.

It is the first long-range maritime patrol aircraft of the PLAN. The PLA Naval Aviation Corps operates a small fleet of the aircraft.

Y-8X development

The Y-8X development programme was commenced in 1983 when Shaanxi Aircraft Company (now Shaanxi Aircraft Industry Corporation) proposed the development of a special purpose aircraft based on the Y-8 turboprop transport aircraft. The Y-8 is a Chinese licensed copy of the Soviet / Russian An-12 Cub aircraft. Y-8X is the first special mission variant derived from the Y-8 military transport aircraft. The development project was assigned to Shaanxi in October 1983 and design proposal was approved by the PLAN in November 1984.

The aircraft development was concluded with the completion of flight tests in less than a year. The first Y-8 MPA was delivered to the PLAN in late 1984. The aircraft received national design certification in 1985.

"The Y-8X can perform maritime patrol, surveillance, anti-submarine warfare and search and rescue (SAR) missions."Design and features

The Y-8 MPA is based on the airframe of the Y-8 transport aircraft. The design incorporates high-mounted wings with drooping outer wing panels. The aircraft has a stepped cockpit and glassed-in nose. A large cylindrical radar dome is installed under the nose. The tail flats mounted on the fuselage are pointed with blunt tips. The landing gear pods are fitted on the midsection of the lower body.

The aircraft is fitted with infrared anti-submarine detection equipment including sonobuoys and a sonar receiver. There are low-altitude and medium to high-altitude optical cameras, and an infrared camera installed for aerial imagery.

The rear cargo door has been removed to accommodate the mission equipment window. An additional seat has been provided for the radar operator. The sonar operator cabin is added in place of the tail cannon turret on the Y-8 aircraft. Emergency equipment includes five-man or single-man lifeboats.

Missions

The Y-8X can perform maritime patrol, surveillance, anti-submarine warfare and search and rescue (SAR) missions. The aircraft conducts patrols in the East China Sea region. The PLAN also deployed the aircraft in various reconnaissance missions to collect aerial photos of the islands near the South China Sea. The aircraft can also be equipped for electronic and signal intelligence missions.

Y-8X Countermeasures and avionics

The Y-8 MPA features an upgraded avionics suite and mission equipment. The aircraft is equipped with Doppler navigation radar, radio compass, radio altimeter, beacon marker receiver and identification friend or foe (IFF).

There is an APSO-504(V)3 surface search radar housed in the under-chin dome. The aircraft also features an inertial navigation system (INS) and Omega global navigation system.

"The Y-8 MPA features an upgraded avionics suite."The aircraft is equipped with a self-defence electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite, which consists of an all-aspect radar warning receiver (RWR) and chaff / flare dispenser.

The aircraft can fire chaff / flare to deceive incoming anti-aircraft missiles.

Engine

The Y-8X is powered by four WJ-6 turboprop engines mounted under the wings. Each engine, driving four four-bladed propellers develops a power output of 3,170kW.

Landing gear

The aircraft is fitted with tricycle landing gear consisting of a carbon brake system with electronic anti-skid and non-tube low-pressure tyres. The landing gear improves the temperature during take off and landing, performance and adaptability of aircraft for short runways.

Performance

The Y-8 MPA can conduct day or night operations during all weather conditions. The aircraft can fly at a maximum speed of 662km/h. It has a range of 5,620km and service ceiling of 10,400m. The flight endurance is 10.5 hours. The aircraft can climb at a rate of 10m/s. The maximum take-off weight is 61,000kg.


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Y-8X maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).

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The base variant Y-8 is a Chinese licensed copy of the Soviet / Russian An-12 Cub aircraft.

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Y-8X maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) is equipped with sonobuoys for ASW operations.

this system is good for temprory puposes but Airbus ASW offeres better package for pakistan navala ASW to eneter in next decade with something reliable which can offer us better system against indian latest weapons and i also think PN should buy JH 7 to make its own Airwing becoz indian naval blockade is growing
 
The A319 MPA is a long range maritime patrol and ASW aircraft developed by Airbus Military. The aircraft can be deployed in anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare, intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance missions.
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The A319 MPA is powered by two IAE V2527M-A5 or CFM56-5B7 engines providing a thrust of 26,500lbf or 27,000lbf. The twin-turbofan configuration provides a maximum speed of Mach 0.82.

this is another good anti submarine warefare plane with latest technology if we can get 4 of these i think we should have enough to answer growing indian submarine Fleet

Posting a copy of the text of the Naval Technology page I linked to adds what to the debate? (Aside from possible copyright infingements).
 
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Apologies for the delay reply.Don't know if anyone mentioned it.

All these 2 goodies are in a perfect working condition on the P-3Cs.

here it is,

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But not the LADAR i guess.

Ours are the updated 3 version now.And currently more stress is on the MMA induction which is expected round about 2013.And it has got a LADAR system.

can you please give some details of this LADAR system.
also some thing about MMA ??

thanks in advance!
 
can you please give some details of this LADAR system.
also some thing about MMA ??

thanks in advance!

MMA is P-8 Multimission Maritime Aircraft which will replace the existing flleet of P-3C in future.A specific version availble for Indian Navy is named as P-8i.It will be using some advance gadgets likeit's said that P-8A will use a new Hydro-Carbon Sensor to detect fuel vapors from diesel submarines and other conventionally powered ships.etc

You can read more about it here.

P-8 Multimission Maritime Aircraft (MMA)


A LIDAR or LADAR is used for fine search exploring anything in air or at sea.For understanding you can call it a Laser radar.Lidar's transmitter is a laser, while its receiver is an optical telescope.

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US Navy overcomes mass P-3C grounding scare
By Stephen Trimble

The US Navy has quietly overcome a grounding scare that programme officials now acknowledge brought the Lockheed Martin P-3C Orion fleet "to its knees" only 12 months ago.
With the P-3C's replacement aircraft - the Boeing P-8A Poseidon - still four years away from operational status, a series of inspections revealed structural damage that led to the grounding of all but 49 of 120 combat-coded Orions by September 2009.
The Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) has since returned 33 of these aircraft to flying status within a 12-month period. Programme officials were forced to stand up a new supply chain to deliver critical aluminium extrusions in less than half the normal lead-time, says Capt Aaron Rondeau, the navy's P-3 integrated product team lead.
The goal now is to keep enough P-3Cs flying until the Boeing 737-based P-8A replaces the Orion completely by 2019.
Keeping the P-3C fleet flying even this long was never planned. Adapted from the Lockheed L-188 Electra regional airliner in the 1950s, the navy originally planned to start retiring the fleet almost 20 years ago, but cancelled the Lockheed P-7 replacement programme in 1990.
Concerns about the P-3C's structural health soon followed. Designed with a service life of 7,500 flight hours, the fleet today averages about 16,000h, says Bob Holmes, the navy's P-3C sustainment lead. Moreover, calculating the P-3C's fatigue life had been neglected, as the service's methodology previously focused on crack allowance versus fatigue life.
"When you start [a fatigue tracking policy] that late in the programme, it's very difficult to manage - unlike the air force which does it from the get-go," Rondeau says.
The navy formally launched a service life assessment programme for the Orion in 2000, which led to a full-scale fatigue test on a P-3C about two years later. "After full-scale fatigue tests came in it was pretty scary," Rondeau says.
The navy had hired Lockheed to perform the assessment based on a software algorithm developed in the 1980s.
"It turned out the old algorithm from the 1980s was underestimating the actual damage done to the airplane," says Mark Jarvis, Lockheed's director of P-3 design and production.
The new tools predicted that nearly the entire fleet faced catastrophic fatigue damage. Rather than grounding the fleet, NAVAIR engineers developed a special structural inspection kit to repair damaged areas. Starting in 2005, the navy also realised the underside of the wing was particularly damaged. After fixing the forward half of the underside of the wing, the navy turned to inspect the back half.
"When those results came in it was pretty devastating," Rondeau says. In December 2007 alone, the navy grounded 30 aircraft. Further inspections in September 2009 grounded another 10, with even more groundings occurring in between.
Source: Flight Inteernational
 
I suspect Did Pakistan consider these problems before the acquisition of these planes...
 
hmmm what ramifications does this have for PN Aviation wing? Under our procurement procedure, would we be able to check for faults and have them immediately be corrected
 
hmmm what ramifications does this have for PN Aviation wing? Under our procurement procedure, would we be able to check for faults and have them immediately be corrected

the upgrade shd cover this issue - further this problems depends on how 'old' the a/c airframe is - with a huge fleet the problem is serious for the US but not so for our fleet.
 
Fatman is right on this account, as all the planes that we are getting from the us have gone through a full structural upgrade/overhaul. This in addition to the fact that PN personal had selected the best available airframes after having gone over and checked extensively the ac for any structural faults/defects.
 
How will PN manage its operations and what will be tactics till the gap is filled to detect enemy subs?
 
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